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PMDG should stop making airplanes

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Like that attention getter??  :smile:   Okay, let me explain the title.  I am challenging PMDG to develop their own Flight Simulator.   In my opinion the available simulators on the market today just haven't kept up with what most of us would have expected had FSX continued it's development cycle.  Just imagine the time it would eventually save PMDG, not having to adapt and change code for several new platforms and adapt to their release schedules (i.e. P3D, X-Plane, FSX).  Plus, imagine PMDG's quality on a fully developed flight sim!  I hope they will consider this in the near future as they look to grow their business and expand in slightly new directions.

 

Anyway, there's my sales pitch.

 

Thanks,

Kevin McCarthy

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While this may sound perfect on paper, it would be very hard to accomplish. The amount of resources needed for a project like this is staggering. Microsoft had a large team and it still took them 2-3 years for every release. PMDG have a small team, it would take them ages.

 

Now imagine if many PMDG, HiFi, ORBX, etc all chipped in and made certain parts of a simulator platform...now that would be awesome!

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The issue is this money. While funding the production of an addon maybe feasible the production of a whole new sim that cover the entire globe in detail that is beyond what is currently available would likely cost at least 100 million dollars. GTAV covers only a small area and cost around $300 million to develop. Sadly the market for a flight simulator isn't big enough to support that kind of development costs. Unless some flightsim loving billionaire decided to donate the money to do it I doubt a fully new up to date flight sim will ever happen.

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It would not surprise me in the least if they are considering it. I thought Robert stated that they had looked into buying FSX with other partners? I could be very wrong about this. 

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Instead of Mars-adventures,we should invest into real simulation (earth and flight simulation ,people and original cities ,streets,railways,rivers,seas and but not least airports of our world included).

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It would not surprise me in the least if they are considering it. I thought Robert stated that they had looked into buying FSX with other partners? I could be very wrong about this. 

 

He did say that. 

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The issue is this money. While funding the production of an addon maybe feasible the production of a whole new sim that cover the entire globe in detail that is beyond what is currently available would likely cost at least 100 million dollars. GTAV covers only a small area and cost around $300 million to develop. Sadly the market for a flight simulator isn't big enough to support that kind of development costs. Unless some flightsim loving billionaire decided to donate the money to do it I doubt a fully new up to date flight sim will ever happen.

 

 

There was one once but he stopped further development.......thank you Mr Gates.

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It takes PMDG 2-3 years just to develop one of their airplanes.  I couldn't imagine the wait time on their own sim!

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It would not surprise me in the least if they are considering it. I thought Robert stated that they had looked into buying FSX with other partners? I could be very wrong about this. 

 

I understood PMDG said it lost out to DTG.

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A new simulator - with PMDG as the lead devs... Count me in!

Maybe have a look at NGFS forum, with some crowd funding PMDG could definately pull this off... especially if the lead addon developers in the community would support them, however It would still be a huge effort!

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I'd like PMDG's next product to be... Superman! Seriously - how cool would it be? The point of view being looking out from Superman's eyes and seeing his arms outstretched in front of him, with the pushing forward of the throttles being shown by his arms being thrust out with force in front and being able to fly at Mach 6 and up into space! How cool (and simple) would that be? The external model could be based on Henry Cavill's Superman. Who wants one? :)

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I'd like PMDG's next product to be... Superman! Seriously - how cool would it be? The point of view being looking out from Superman's eyes and seeing his arms outstretched in front of him, with the pushing forward of the throttles being shown by his arms being thrust out with force in front and being able to fly at Mach 6 and up into space! How cool (and simple) would that be? The external model could be based on Henry Cavill's Superman. Who wants one? :)

Wonder Woman would be cooler.... Think, her invisible plane with full FMC, invisible of course...

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The amount of resources needed for a project like this is staggering. Microsoft had a large team and it still took them 2-3 years for every release. PMDG have a small team, it would take them ages.

 

It is quite possible for a small team to make a high quality simulator, provided some compromises on the scenery.

 

See the examples of Condor The Competition Soaring Simulator (2 guys) or Aerowinx (1 guy).

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I do believe that Robert already commented that developing a new sim from the ground-up would be too big a risk for the company.  Even if they "Kickstarted" a campaign it's a massive undertaking.

 

From a pure technical perspective i think that X-Plane has the best future.  I have just been watching some night landing videos on Youtube, they are absolutely stunning.  I would really like to see X-Plane developers start to listen to the community and fix the many problems that have been poured over ad nauseum on here and other places.  

 

I imagine that PMDG have a role in that, given the pull they have in the community i assume if they ask Austin for more AI aircraft, seasonal textures or a comprehensive ATC we might actually get those things.

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What if, there were a project like Star Citizen but for Flight Simulation?!

Would you wait that longer? Would you invest that money?

I would!!

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there is a new flight simulator in development. Check the forums for the name. there is a tech demo of it you can download

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Yes that is what we need, another Flight Sim. The DEV's can hardly keep up with all that is out there now. It would be no different than now. This is not good for FSX. That don't work in Prepar3D. The Goats ate all the grass from my runway! FS9 makes the goats all turn blue. I hate this. I hate that. This community is so fractured at this point that I would be surprised if we could get a 51% vote for fresh air, healthy Babies, cold Beer and Good looking women.

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Yes that is what we need, another Flight Sim. The DEV's can hardly keep up with all that is out there now. It would be no different than now. This is not good for FSX. That don't work in Prepar3D. The Goats ate all the grass from my runway! FS9 makes the goats all turn blue. I hate this. I hate that. This community is so fractured at this point that I would be surprised if we could get a 51% vote for fresh air, healthy Babies, cold Beer and Good looking women.

 

You had me till you mentioned cold beer.....  :bad:

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Dnergy, Elon Musk, clean energy, guys come on, these trolling rants must stop. This topic was supposed to be about PMDG.

 

Geez, the guys are STILL blaming good 'ol Bill Gates to taking flight simming away from us. He has been away from MS for how long? & I'm sure he did not micro manage the gaming section while he was running the show.. Ooops, MS is actually run by a board of directors that are responsible to their share holders.

 

As for PMDG developing a sim... They develop high quality planes. Also, as said before, pity the poor developers that have to decide what sim they want to develop for. AS for an expected future 64bit sim, where it will need 64bit add-ons to work at it's best.

 

Back to topic please, or else we will be talking about the future of bee keeping in Singapore, or something else as rediculous.

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haha you're right pcubine we are way off topic here. I'll edit mine out

 

Ok, apparently I can't edit it. Weird

 

I've heard several people state that P3D will be 64bit. I heard 2 years, but who knows when that was and who that was from. I can't verify anyone stating that actually "knows". That being said, Dovetails new flightsim could be 64bit when it's released next year. But we have no information on that other then it's based on MS flight technology, which is pretty much no information. That being said, 64bit doesn't solve the issue of FSX/P3D not really utilising the GPU and more of a CPU hog. However P3D have made in-roads along those lines from what I've seen

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I've heard several people state that P3D will be 64bit. I heard 2 years, but who knows when that was and who that was from.

About a month ago in a post RSR wrote that he thought a 64bit platform in about four years. So I figure in about six to seven years there will be enough addon airports and scenery to make it worthwhile to switch from FSX to a 64bit. I will be dead by then.

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Ha, well for your sake I hope it happens soon!

 

I guess the problem for Lockheed is if they did release a 64bit version, I'm sure the add-ons would need a bit of tweaking to work correctly, which would mean for a while LM is technically supporting two platforms. Which would be annoyingly for them, to say the least. Well I guess even add-ons developers would as well

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Removed some posts. Keep it on topic and factual, or...well...

 

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...hopefully some of you are old enough for that reference.

 

We're sitting here on these fora, and have a reason for this hobby, because governments around the world provided grants to companies to research and develop aircraft. Those grants did not usually have a direct financial return to those governments, but the industry that came up out of that initial investment brought back revenues to the governments through the leverage of fees, taxes, and so on. If any of you would like to whine about various government spending initiatives, write to a Congressperson.

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Remembering that it was rumored that Arnold Schwarzenegger might run for the United States Senate in 2010, your post, including your suggestion to write to a Congressperson, makes complete sense, Kyle.   :P
 
Back on topic: +1 for fresh air and for PMDG continuing what they do best. (No, not release date estimates, I'm talking about the other stuff! :lol:)

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