techman

Its 8883.

ActiveSky with an ActiveWeatherChange on ActivePause makes an ActiveUnscheduledDisassembly of the aircraft 🙂 (Was in active Pause as new weather was injected and the plane overstressed). No idea where to report it so hopefully one of the devs is reading it here.

I read Aerosoft at the first glimpse, got a bottle of champagne and drank it, now I realize that I misread the title.

IFR approaches are handled either via vectoring, which is indeed not 100 % working (but in 9 out of 10 flights), OR via the simbrief flightplan via a STAR. It will clear you for the arrival, giving step descends, and when reaching the Fix it will either start vectoring you to the runway or clears you direct to the FAF including the final approach clearance.

Having high end voices means 30 Euro a month 🙂 In both cases, I think. When SI manages to lower the price I assume that BATC will also be able to lower the price, when both rely to AI generated voices that cost money 🙂 But hey - lets make it more complicated 🙂

If that was Easyjetsimpilot showed yesterday is BATC at the stage when it will be released - far worse. FAR worse.

COMPARING SAYINTENTIONS VS BEYONDATC (AI VOICE ATC) - MSFS (youtube.com) BATC is far from being close to any of the both competitors.

It´s somehow frustrating to see that we have a couple of products coming out the next months or already being in beta and none of them is able to provide the "solution" that all of the IFR-Airline-Pilots are looking for. For me the solution that is able to provide controlled AI-Traffic with realistic behaviour on the airfield, including departures/SIDs, approaches/STARs and "reacting" to the current traffic situation (shortcuts, no long approaches etc.) is the one that will make it. We have BATC not released yet, it will come without traffic, its a railed/boxed solution like FSHud and we don´t have any AI involved in ATC/controlled traffic. Price tag varies. We have FSHUD in beta where still is a lot of work to be done, it has traffic though and looks promising. No AI anywhere, a totally scripted solution. We have SayIntentions which is still in development, it has integration of Navigraph data but also in beta, no traffic. AI included, price tag (too?) high for the moment. We have VoxATC where I have no idea what the status is. But: We don´t have a "working" product yet. Let´s see what the future brings, at the end of the day one of them has to deliver.

Spreading misinformation is also reality, Mr. Trump.

"From what I have heard". Wow. From what I just did: Filed a flightplan EDDM to LSZH over simbrief. Fired up the Fenix B2 IAE and called clearance. Went to LSZH with complete flight following including handoffs, step climbs, descents and (ok - wrong) taxi instructions. So "What you have heard" is probably far from reality.

What about "Sorry, I had no idea what I was talking about?" Unbelievable.

Get your basics right and stop referring to "AI" when it is a scripted ATC. This is really a problem nowadays - people throw out a buzzword and people without the technical knowledge keep repeating totally wrong and misleading statements. This is annoying. Tell me that BATC uses a neuronal network and an external AI-Source to control ATC - get this question answered and I will change my opinion and post an apology everywhere you want me to do it. In the meantime I´ll stay with my opinion: The ATC-part of BATC is a scripted/coded part and runs on your computer with no communication with a modern, real "AI". End of story.

I think with an AI having a complete situational awareness is the most promising approach to a good ATC solution. Sadly it´s expensive at the moment.

SayIntentions own traffic injection is also planned for Q2 according to the dev on the discord right now - POC is already working he said.

Don´t call it AI.

I meant real AI, not AI-Traffic and Stuff. BATC managed to throw out some marketing buzzwords, but after some reading and some analyzing the only "real" AI-Based ATC is Sayintentions. They send everything to their server and the AI is aware of the situations in your MSFS-instance and guides you through it. BATC ATC is on your machine, maybe scripted, but the only external AI they use is voice recognition and ATC-Voices. (Based on my own checks - if anyone wants to correct me, no problem at all).

Sayintentions uses AI for controlling traffic, BeyondATC will "only" user AI for the voices. I think that Sayintentions (currently testing the beta) has some problems regarding simbrief databases, but a complete IFR-flight from A to B in Europe with a prefiled flightplan works fine - and, since its AI, you can always ask ATC for everything and they will come back with a solution. Pretty certain that SI is the only product that will make it in the future.

Taxiways are not implemented yet. Also Traffic is not implemented yet. Both to come. IFR works, they are working on finetuning at the moment (like descent is not given on time etc.). But it reads the flightplan from simbrief, gets SIDs and STARS, and is following from Start to End.

I just made a perfect EDDH EDDL run with full IFR including SID/STAR, only thing that is missing are the taxiways. So with all respect - your statement is wrong.

And now as a windows store app with auto update function - that would be the icing on the cake Reason: As a simmer you have soooo many tools to take care of (Navigraph, ATC, StreamDeck, MiniFCU, etcpp) that it would make life a lot easier for us 🙂 It´s such a great tool. Thank you for that!

If allowed, I have a feature request: Auto-Update

If you think that the MSFS forum is censored then you better not go to Paradoxplaza ...

A clear no buy then.

Default installation on an i7/gtx 770/16 GB Win 8.1/64 , and CTDing almost every 5 minutes. All rendering settings are default. Problems with joystick connection, Disappearing runways etc. Looks like its just a beta and we are not stable until summer.