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This is exciting news. Please keep us updated on what you needed to do to overcome any issues.

If/when it comes with support for Skalarki hardware then I’m super excited. Until then it’s of no interest to me sadly. They claim they have negotiated a new deal with ProSim to remove licensing issues. So bring it (Skalarki support) on! P.S., By support, I’d like to see the equivalent of what FSLabs provides on P3D. If that happens, I can finally make the switch to MSFS. Of course it’s possible FSLabs gets there first. I’ll take either for the win.

I am very enthusiastic about this product and look forward to being an early adopter. However, as “natural” as the premium voices sound, to me they sound like Hollywood movie controllers that had a little bit too much candy and coffee. If they lowered their voices about an octave or so and came across a little bit more somber, the realism factor would be much greater.

If BeyondATC fails because customer’s aren’t willing to pay the costs of the AI, they will hardly be the first tech company to fail because they were too far ahead of their time. The great thing about the technology market is that, more so than in other industries, prices generally tend to fall over time, sometimes dramatically so. The problem for startups or businesses that have innovative new ideas ahead of everyone else is generating enough revenue to sustain themselves until the market is ready to accept them. History is replete with companies that couldn’t cross the “valley of death” to reach prosperity. Perhaps BeyondATC won’t survive, but eventually someone will come along and make AI work for this application. I’m cheering for BeyondATC, and I will be buying their product. I’m not at all concerned about the cost, as it will make a fantastic addition to my (rather expensive) hardware A320 cockpit. Hopefully there will enough serious users like me to keep them going. The costs of AI will drop, it’s just a question of how long it will take.

Please FSLabs/PMDG/Orbx, support P3D v6! I beg you! I can dream, can’t I?

Me thinks you argue too much. Where did I ever make claims based on hypotheticals? I never claimed ANY A320 was superior to another. In fact, I only pointed out some features that don’t exist in the Fenix that prevent me and some others from seeing it as a replacement for FSLabs at this time. I never “evaluated” one sim against another as you claim. Try reading more carefully next time before hijacking the thread just to argue.

No, I don’t actually. I prefer XP12 for GA flying and MSFS for low and slow sightseeing flights. Those are just my personal preferences. Never claimed one was better than the other in any general sense in all aspects as some do. Sorry you want to pick a fight over whose sim is best, but I don’t play that game. I stick to factual statements only. And yes, Working Title has done a good job with Garmin avionics.

If that’s your threshold for whether you respect another human being or not, well, what can I say?

Sounds like you’ve failed basic reading comprehension. The original post to which I responded asked the question whether Fenix V2 made FSLabs obsolete. I pointed out that there are a few areas where it does not replace FSLabs, namely in terms of support for hardware cockpits, multi-monitor setups or weather radar. That is not some kind of claim of superiority of FSLabs as you infer, just a statement of a few facts that no one can dispute which are relevant to those of us that care about them. So no, Fenix V2 does not make FSLabs obsolete to the original point, even if it were “better” in some other aspect. Not once did I say or imply P3D is “better” than MSFS. What I did do is dismiss people who make wholly generic and sweeping statements that one is “vastly better” than the other. The ONLY aspect that I am aware of where Fenix is in fact “vastly better” is quite specifically with respect to visual fidelity. I would love to be educated on other aspects in which Fenix is “vastly” better as I haven’t found them or heard of them. I regularly fly MSFS, P3D and XP. For the A320 I fly mostly FSLabs A320 but also FBW, Fenix and Toliss. Recently I’ve been evaluating Pro-Sim and JeeHell FMGS as my hardware cockpit expands. They each have their strengths and weaknesses, but I enjoy them all for what each is good at. I am also a serious pilot and a serious simulation pilot, and as much as I love awesome graphics and scenery, I’m not so enamored of it that I can’t see past it. But hey, enjoy your nice textures with dirt and scratches….

You are comparing something that doesn't exist (Fenix V2), against a personal recollection of something in the past that has by now been superseded with newer versions (FSLabs in P3D) and which also doesn't exist yet in MSFS. Hard to take your evaluation seriously with all your hypotheticals about what may or may not exist in the future, much less the present. Outlandish statements like "far superior" without evidence or qualification regarding an unknown future smack of intellectual immaturity.

You've pretty much proven my point with your comments. In a). you imply that MSFS is implicitly better, which is only true if you weight visual "prettiness" or the ability to "play" a video game on Xbox above virtually everything else. There is no aspect in which MSFS is better than its peers with the sole exception of visual accuracy and detail and video game console support (Xbox). So if having Fenix in MSFS is what you prefer, then it is obviously because that is what matters most to you. There is nothing wrong with that. Good visuals are certainly more "fun" and more immersive. I get it. But for people that prefer a more realistic flight experience using home cockpits, multiple monitors, weather, etc., Fenix + MSFS is hardly "far superior". When Fenix + MSFS is actually better in important areas besides just visuals, I'll be there. I'm sure it will get there eventually, because the amount of development effort and funding going into MSFS and its add-ons means that day will likely come.

That’s what I’m afraid of. I hope it’s not true, but you could very well be right. Perhaps someday if MSFS has better multi-monitor support we can set up dedicated, fixed views for the overhead and pedestal, which would work for all aircraft. For me personally, I plan to have a complete Skalarki pedestal by summer, so that takes care of part of my interest in 2D panels. I doubt I will ever have a hardware overhead panel though, so I would still like to see support for my overhead mounted computer screen to display it.

It’s technically possible. AirManager could do it if someone put in the effort to duplicate with it what FSLabs has already done.

Huh?? In “real life” you have to grab a computer mouse to look around the cockpit? With all due respect, are you good on your meds?