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I'm having a terrible time with it. This is ironic because I usually don't have any problems with Eaglesoft products. First off is VC performance, the gauges really tax my system. Panning around the VC is a few steps up from a slide show. There's no utility to adjust the gauge refresh rate so I'm stuck.Second is I get constant CTD's when pressing 'ALT' in fullscreen mode. If I try to load the aircraft in 'Windowed' mode FS9 crashes again. So in essence once the plane is loaded up I can't access the menu bar nor do I have the option to run the aircraft in 'Windowed' mode.The updates are really nice and the aircraft has gracefully moved from moderate to somewhat hardcore status. I believe most systems are modeled now. I wrote Ron on the issues I'm having and all I can say is I've seen a whole new meaning on the word 'Pithy'. Maybe the guys are too busy with FSX related issues to be concerned about FS9 products anymore. Upon investigating this issue I found all the gauges located in the panel folder instead of the gauges folder where every other add-on places it

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No problems here, although I have noticed a smll fps hit in the VC. I am getting 23-24fps in 2d and about 18-19fps in VC (locked at 25). The new instrumentation is very nice, and it is great to fly!I hope you can sort out that nasty CTD issue, although I have never heard of any add-on interfering with the Alt-menu key before :-(

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>I'm having a terrible time with it. This is ironic because I>usually don't have any problems with Eaglesoft products. >>First off is VC performance, the gauges really tax my system. >Panning around the VC is a few steps up from a slide show. >There's no utility to adjust the gauge refresh rate so I'm>stuck.>>Second is I get constant CTD's when pressing 'ALT' in>fullscreen mode. If I try to load the aircraft in 'Windowed'>mode FS9 crashes again. So in essence once the plane is>loaded up I can't access the menu bar nor do I have the option>to run the aircraft in 'Windowed' mode.>>The updates are really nice and the aircraft has gracefully>moved from moderate to somewhat hardcore status. I believe>most systems are modeled now. >>I wrote Ron on the issues I'm having and all I can say is I've>seen a whole new meaning on the word 'Pithy'. Maybe the guys>are too busy with FSX related issues to be concerned about>FS9 products anymore. Upon investigating this issue I found>all the gauges located in the panel folder instead of the>gauges folder where every other add-on places it

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Ed I'm at work now and can't check the ES forums (forgot my password). Leave some suggestions over there and I can try them. Most likely we won't be logged on at the same time and I could have some feedback for you when you finally do check in...Thanks.

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Dillon,We are actively supporting you in our forum and have been trying to find the reason for your ALT Key issue. It's a bit unfair to say that we have somehow "hung you out to dry"To date we have exactly two users with this issue and there is a post asking for more feedback on the error report from you and the other customer. This a head scratcher for us since it never showed up in any test and we cannot duplicate it on any test machine??Be patient as I'm sure we'll find a solution to this matter. As you know, everyones mileage varies when it comes to FPS and sim performance so we hope to help in that area as well:-)

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Sorry Ron but your answers were so short and simple that it looked like if no other customers were having this problem, it wasn't a problem. I know it's not my hardware as I'd see this with other add-ons I have (especially with all the other ES jets and GA aircraft in my hanger). Here's hopeing we can figure this one out... :-wave Ed we need someway to adjust gauge refresh rate.

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"Here's hopeing we can figure this one out..." Same here as we do not like to have an odd/isolated thing that causes headaches to users:-)

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>Ed I'm at work now and can't check the ES forums (forgot my>password). Leave some suggestions over there and I can try>them. Most likely we won't be logged on at the same time and>I could have some feedback for you when you finally do check>in...>>Thanks.Trust me when I say I'm literally just sitting around waiting for input. :)

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Thanks for the positive input:-) Please post system specs so others can evaluate.

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There is a bug in the FS9 Beechjet/Hawker 1.5 which is very odd and challenging us for a solution but never showed up in any test???It seems that a very few users with certain hardware are experiencing a failure to load the PFD. This one is very odd and is isolated to only a few with certain hardware???

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Well Ed solved my CTD problem. There seemed to be a conflict with SSTsim's .dll located in the modules folder. Overall I like the aircraft now that that problem is solved. I just hope a little more can be done to increase performance in the VC.Overall Eaglesoft has more than brought this product up to date with their other products. I'll go as far as to say there are now three hardcore business jets on the market (Ariane's BBJ, Feelthere's Legacy, and now Eaglesoft's Beechjet/Hawker). :-)

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You should like what's being done to the CX 1.5 when it's ready then:-)

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>Overall Eaglesoft has more than brought this product up to>date with their other products. I'll go as far as to say>there are now three hardcore business jets on the market>(Ariane's BBJ, Feelthere's Legacy, and now Eaglesoft's>Beechjet/Hawker). :-)I wish Eaglesoft would start putting in fully functioning FMCs into their biz jets - other than that, I agree with you here. The main "gripe" I have with Eaglesoft is the lack of detailed manuals, accessible via one pdf file, rather than the htm confusion we now have. ricardo

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Well I'm really excited now (hopefully wing flex will be included this time around). Don't forget those of us still using FS9 aren't running 3.4gig Dual Core machines. Please be mindful we won't have something like that until after Vista is released. Framerates are of the utmost importance on the FS9 version. A great example of this is toying around with this new Hawker and I may as well be taking screenshots in some areas...

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Ricardo what you have here is pretty darn close. No there's not a fully functioning FMC but many features are now included that weren't there before. It's hard to go into detail but let's say you can punch in your route and see it displayed on the ND screen (there's more to it but I haven't had the chance to confirm all features). I haven't fully played with everything yet but this thing is far more detailed than anything ES has done before (the exception being the Cirrus aircraft). Ricardo you'd like this one trust me.

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As Ron has stated, if you like this wait until you see the Citation X update.Dillon, I'm glad we were able to figure out what was causing the CTD for you. Check our forums from time to time to see if I've posted that we've gotten things worked out with SSTsim.For those requesting a fully functional FMC, in all seriousness... be careful what you wish for. :)

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The Beechjet/Hawker sounds nice but I'll have to stay away from it if it can't run smoothly on anything lower than a 3gig machine. I like flying into major airports with light jets, there's no reason an FS9 aircraft should have framerate problems at this point. When I look at aircraft like FeelThere's Legacy and DreamFleet's offerings I know something like the Beechjet should be doable. Even if you take into consideration the Eaglesoft Cirrus aircraft, there's no excuse for the Beechjet. The Cirrus displays are way more complicated than anything in a Beechjet cockpit.If Eaglesoft get's the performance issues taken care of I'll buy. Other than that we all may have to live with developers making excuses as their main priority is FSX.

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>The Beechjet/Hawker sounds nice but I'll have to stay away>from it if it can't run smoothly on anything lower than a 3gig>machine. I like flying into major airports with light jets,>there's no reason an FS9 aircraft should have framerate>problems at this point. >>When I look at aircraft like FeelThere's Legacy and>DreamFleet's offerings I know something like the Beechjet>should be doable. If Eaglesoft get's the performance issues>taken care of I'll buy. Other than that I'll sit this one out>until after Vista and my new PC arrives...>Try it on your machine and if it doesn't perform to your expectations there is a 30 Day, no questions refund policy in place.In other words check performance on your own hardware before deciding if what you hear is correct:-)

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>When I look at aircraft like FeelThere's Legacy and>DreamFleet's offerings I know something like the Beechjet>should be doable. Even if you take into consideration the>Eaglesoft Cirrus aircraft, there's no excuse for the Beechjet.> The Cirrus displays are way more complicated than anything in>a Beechjet cockpit.>>If Eaglesoft get's the performance issues taken care of I'll>buy. Other than that we all may have to live with developers>making excuses as their main priority is FSX.>I'm not sure you can single out Eagesoft here. I have a well known DreamFleet offering that gets worse frame rates than any any of my Eaglesoft offerings.So many things can effect low frame rates: The FS.cfg, the FS settings, the video card, power supply, processes running, etc etc etc. One person can 'zip long' with 20+ rates, while another with an 'equal' machine can only muster 10+. Go figure,...every machine is different, and every ones quality expectations while flying are also.I have a couple designers products that simply get good rates for most every one, but those are not exactly complicated aircraft, albeit I enjoy them allot.

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Just noticed Chris's machine is similar to my development machine... 3.0 AMD and ATI X800Pro, 1GB PC2700...No hotrod but useful for estimating what users can expect :-)

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"So many things can effect low frame rates: The FS.cfg, the FS settings, the video card, power supply, processes running, etc etc etc. One person can 'zip long' with 20+ rates, while another with an 'equal' machine can only muster 10+. Go figure,...every machine is different, and every ones quality expectations while flying are also."Well said Brian!:-)

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Ricardo I stand corrected. The FMC is still basic... :-(Looking over the manual I thought it had more features than it hase, sorry. The plane overall is still good...

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Does the Beech offer a 2d cockpit only version? I never fly VC unless it's a small VFR plane, and I like the FPS boost I get by not having a VC loaded. I really like the Eaglesoft CII, but would also like a more sophisticated systems plane which he Beech seem to be. Mike

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