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My First Xmas As A Simmer -- Suggestions For Santa?

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I started flight simming just after Christmas last year so this is the first Xmas that I have a chance to put some great add-ons to my Xmas List. What suggestions do you have for high quality, "must have" programs and hardware? I mostly fly GA aircraft and enjoy flying challenging IFR approaches down to minimums. I also like flying VFR in my local area (Salt Lake City, Utah USA). My goal is to only have ultra high quality products that bring simming as close to the real world as possible.Here is my shortlist so far. What would you add or change?- TrackIR4 Pro- REXAnd here is what I have so far...- Alphasim LongEZ for VFR flying- Dreamfleet Dakota- FSD Saratoga- RealityXP 430 & 530- Saitek Yoke and Panel- SimCharts by JeppessenWhat have you really enjoyed that, in hindsight, you'd hate to fly without?Thanks!PS - I'd also really love a tool that allows me to track my aircraft position on georeferenced low altitude enroute charts. Is there such a thing?

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What have you really enjoyed that, in hindsight, you'd hate to fly without?
I've had a TrackIR device for a while now but I really only use it for takeoff and landing. It's a real bonus to have one, but I've recently set up a home LAN and since I can't afford another TrackIR device I've had to make do with the joystick hat switch on my other machine. To tell you the truth I'm actually surprised by what it can do, I could really get used to it.My other must haves are the PMDG 747 and the RealAir Spitfire, but I see that you are a GA flyer so maybe only the Spit would interest you. It's a stick and rudder bird, but you'll have quite a ride when you takeoff with your new TrackIR device.I've managed to avoid any landclass purchases. I'm pretty happy with the default offering.Mike.

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I'd also recommend...Flight1 Mustang (should be released sometime soon, will be *THE* plane to have for FS9, if you're into complex addons) - http://mustang.flight1.netFlight1 PC-12Aerosoft Cheyenne XUltimate Terrain X (for whichever region you fly the most).

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You might want to check into the Reality xp flightline gauges and FS panel studio. You get extreme smoothness and real working instruments-with Panel studio you can easily put them into any aircraft or even make your own from scratch. Doesn't get any better for low ifr approaches than having smooth real working instruments (including the Reality xp gps you mention).You also might want to look into Fs Dreamscapes high resolution stuff for Utah-since you mention it.Also the Real Air Marchetti has the best single engine behavior I've seen in a sim.

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As previously mentioned, Ultimate Terrain X is absolutely something to consider, and you most definitely want to look into GEX (Ground Environment X), I've heard it's something that will truly enhance FS.

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Thanks for the replies. Keep the great ideas coming!Question on UTX and GEX. How does REX fit into this grouping. With REX, are either of the other two (UTX or GEX) redundant?

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Thanks for the replies. Keep the great ideas coming!Question on UTX and GEX. How does REX fit into this grouping. With REX, are either of the other two (UTX or GEX) redundant?
Nope. In fact, your scenery will be incredible and will make you drool with UTX+GEX+REX. I hope to do this in the near future :( Regards,

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Flight1 Mustang (should be released sometime soon, will be *THE* plane to have for FS9, if you're into complex addons) - http://mustang.flight1.net
David, presumably you mean that the Mustang will be *THE* plane to have for FSX. Flight1 will not be offering the Mustang for FS9. :(

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Utterly no point flying combat jets in FS when you cannot deploy the weapons nor fight in a tactical environment.That's why the Aerosoft F16 is such a sad joke.For the Spit go with IL2-1946.For the F-16 go with Falcon 4.

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I'm reading the above and found myself thinking, retirement plan or FSX add-ons? LOLEtienne

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Utterly no point flying combat jets in FS when you cannot deploy the weapons nor fight in a tactical environment.That's why the Aerosoft F16 is such a sad joke.
That's BS, I work at Duluth, MN and we constantly have the 148th FW F-16's practicing SFO's, overheads, every kind of maneuver out there, and they aren't loaded. The Aerosoft 16 is on my xmas list... You can do a ton more than combat with it...

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I recommend FTX (Full Terrain Experience), particuarily for VFR. It is a scenery product, but also do airports, both freeware & payware. It blows every other scenery away, including GEX & UTX. Their airports are also pretty good as well.At the moment they have covered Austrailia but will be doing the Pacific Northwest early next year.They have a free demo that covers Tasmania, one of the australian provinces. Give it a try & you will be amazed at what they have doneAircraft wise have a look at Carenados products. Always very goodAlthough I tend to spend a lot of times in Rick Pipers freeware A22 foxbatCheers WarwickNo way affiliated to FTX/ORBX in any way shape or Form

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I agree, check out FTX http://fullterrain.com a true playground for VFR flying plus great support and plenty of freeware airports to go along with it. For AC my favorites are Digital Aviation's Piper Cheyenne, Eaglesoft's Piper Comanche and Flight one's Pilatus PC-12.John

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That's BS, I work at Duluth, MN and we constantly have the 148th FW F-16's practicing SFO's, overheads, every kind of maneuver out there, and they aren't loaded. The Aerosoft 16 is on my xmas list... You can do a ton more than combat with it...
BS?I think not.I have been around combat sims for decades.Show me where in FS there is a tactical environment to properly deploy the F-16.Overheads and maneuvers are NOT what the Viper is about...nor ANY combat jet. I do not care where you are no your credentials, you are out of touch.For proper F-16 deployments you need to look here...http://www.lead-pursuit.com/news.htmhttp://www.freefalcon.com/Frankly, on the topic combat flight simming, your knowledge is lacking.

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LOL!!! Since when were we discussing combat sims? I thought the thread was about good xmas suggestions for payware?Just because you can't fire missiles doesn't mean it's not an excellent product. If you want combat stay away from Microsoft Flight Sim X. Get Falcon 4, CFS3, even Jane's ATF if you can find a PC to run it on hah.For FSX, the AS F16 is very well done. They didn't model it to be combat-ready in FSX you know? And yes, I've used all the good combat sims....thank you very much....Back on topic - to the OP, I believe the RealAir SF260 was mentioned but I also recommend the Scout Pack 2007http://www.realairsimulations.com/flash.ph...e=scout07_intro

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Hi,By Christmas we hope to have a new weather program out.Thanks,Jim

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Well this is my list of must haves......hard to pick out just a few.Hardware:CH YokeCH Rudder PedalsTrack IRTexture, scenery, terrain:Ultimate Terrain X - all of them!Ground Environment X All the FS Genesis Mesh'sMega Scenery Las Vegas, SoCal, and Hawaii are musts!!Scenery Tech LandclassesFly Tampa HongKong - simply amazingPlanes:AeroSoft Beaver XAeroSoft Twin OtterFlight One PC-12AlphaSim Long EZAny Carenado PlaneEaglesoft Columbia 400Eaglesoft SR22TXHughes H1 Racer --- great planeLevel-D 767PMDG MD-11Anything RealAir especially the scout package.CoolSky Super 80/pro -- I fly this a lot.Helicopters:Anything Nemeth Brothers.I can keep going so much I like......but I would go with hardware first. Get your yoke/pedals/trackir. Then worry about the software.

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Mower, why do you go **out of your way** (again) to pop into an unrelated thread to make a point that a certain FSX fighter jet is a "sad joke" just because it doesn't fire weapons? How many times can you miss the point? I could direct you to many posts on various forums where people say they've never had so much fun within MSFS as with that F-16. Is that not worth something? Or are you going to continue to tell those people that the fun they're having is not valid?You've done this same silly thing on other sites too, and you recently implied (in another post here on avsim) that you had been banned from some of them. I'm not sure, but what's the deal? Is it that you're so invested in some kind of online "virtual hotshot" fighter pilot identity that you think any simulation involving something OTHER THAN balls-to-the-wall bomb dropping is for wimps? Are you THAT invested in a make believe image, or that threatened by those who prefer emphasis on other things? You always seem to disappear from these kinds of threads at the point where someone asks you something like this: if the Air Force knocked on your door and said "wanna take an F-16 for a spin?", would you say NO simply because they wouldn't let you drop bombs? I think that question crystallizes how ridiculous your continual rant is. ("I'm Mower and I want everyone to know: Apples are not oranges. I repeat, apples ARE NOT oranges!") We know. They're different. But an apple is not a "sad joke" just because it's not an orange. When your Falcon 4 (and its avionics sim derivatives) can do the things that a true FLIGHT simulation like FSX can do, things much more fundamental to actual flight... or when a MSFS fighter jet is designed and advertised as a substitute for those combat sims, THEN maybe your point will have a place. Until then, your message is obvious, redundant, and most importantly rude and unnecessarily negative. And I personally will write it off as the uninformed opinion of a kid. (Given your M.O., yes, I'm assuming you're a kid.)

Utterly no point flying combat jets in FS when you cannot deploy the weapons nor fight in a tactical environment.That's why the Aerosoft F16 is such a sad joke.For the Spit go with IL2-1946.For the F-16 go with Falcon 4.

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Not entirely, none, no, maybe/depends, no, no, no, depends, your assumption is incorrect.Hope that clarifies... :( I NEVER disappear when I am called out.However, nor do I seek ill will nor banning hereabouts so this is my last reply to that.Come over here for a more liberal and free-wheeling debate on the matter.http://forums.frugalsworld.com/vbb/forumdisplay.php?f=47

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Mower, why do you go **out of your way** (again) to pop into an unrelated thread to make a point that a certain FSX fighter jet is a "sad joke" just because it doesn't fire weapons? How many times can you miss the point? I could direct you to many posts on various forums where people say they've never had so much fun within MSFS as with that F-16. Is that not worth something? Or are you going to continue to tell those people that the fun they're having is not valid?You've done this same silly thing on other sites too, and you recently implied (in another post here on avsim) that you had been banned from some of them. I'm not sure, but what's the deal? Is it that you're so invested in some kind of online "virtual hotshot" fighter pilot identity that you think any simulation involving something OTHER THAN balls-to-the-wall bomb dropping is for wimps? Are you THAT invested in a make believe image, or that threatened by those who prefer emphasis on other things? You always seem to disappear from these kinds of threads at the point where someone asks you something like this: if the Air Force knocked on your door and said "wanna take an F-16 for a spin?", would you say NO simply because they wouldn't let you drop bombs? I think that question crystallizes how ridiculous your continual rant is. ("I'm Mower and I want everyone to know: Apples are not oranges. I repeat, apples ARE NOT oranges!") We know. They're different. But an apple is not a "sad joke" just because it's not an orange. When your Falcon 4 (and its avionics sim derivatives) can do the things that a true FLIGHT simulation like FSX can do, things much more fundamental to actual flight... or when a MSFS fighter jet is designed and advertised as a substitute for those combat sims, THEN maybe your point will have a place. Until then, your message is obvious, redundant, and most importantly rude and unnecessarily negative. And I personally will write it off as the uninformed opinion of a kid. (Given your M.O., yes, I'm assuming you're a kid.)
Chill out man, since when is adding a relevant comment to a forum "going out of your way" to pop into an unrelated thread! As for being rude and negative, it wasn't personally directed, unlike your post.The original poster did not specify that the add ons had to be FSX, in fact he said he was new to flight simming. I think suggesting Falcon 4 for a combat aircraft simulation is good advice. I've spent hours on both FSX and Falcon, and they are both excellent but there's no way I would buy a combat jet for FSX. I happen to agree that however good the simulation of the flight model could be in FSX it would miss out in failing to simulate the weapons systems.Have you tried Falcon 4 or Falcon Allied Force? The flight model is surprisingly good and it's a very challenging aircraft to fly well, especially land.Lawrence

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Chill out man, since when is adding a relevant comment to a forum "going out of your way" to pop into an unrelated thread! As for being rude and negative, it wasn't personally directed, unlike your post.The original poster did not specify that the add ons had to be FSX, in fact he said he was new to flight simming. I think suggesting Falcon 4 for a combat aircraft simulation is good advice. I've spent hours on both FSX and Falcon, and they are both excellent but there's no way I would buy a combat jet for FSX. I happen to agree that however good the simulation of the flight model could be in FSX it would miss out in failing to simulate the weapons systems.Have you tried Falcon 4 or Falcon Allied Force? The flight model is surprisingly good and it's a very challenging aircraft to fly well, especially land.Lawrence
Lawrence, your "chill out" comment is well taken. My apologies to everyone. In rereading my response, it seems harsh, I know. I will just say that it wasn't only a response to things in this thread, but to a series of similar messages, including from other forums. And by far the largest element behind it is something that I had best not touch with a 10 foot pole at this point, because it would just sound like an accusation and would spiral towards unpleasantness. Best to just accept that some things are the way they are. There's no way anyone else reading all this might've known that though, and yes, you're right. I bought Falcon 4 the day it hit stores, by the way, and it's still great. I always loved it, the two Janes titles, and especially MiG Alley. Ahhh, the days of Papadoc and all those CSIPGFS personalities.... I've been doing the flight-sim thing since Falcon 3 and DOS memmaker boot disks, so am (hopefully) not entirely ignorant of what the combat side of flight simulation has to offer. I just prefer the flying to the fighting at this point. I guess there's only so much any one program can have, and to me it's seemed that the more of it that goes to combat, the less that can go towards flight. But it's all good. Everything's a compromise in one way or another. I guess the ideal would be if someone could just "plug" Falcon 4 into FSX as a module. Now THAT would be incredible. Completely impossible, but fun to think about.

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