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Not sure where to exactly post this, but I'm hoping I can get an answer to this. It should not be much trouble for owners of the software to answer. Does the aircraft have a fully automated approach system or do you hand fly the aircraft maintaining proper throttle and viewing the glideslope? Does it capture the ILS and steer the aircraft or is that also hand flown? I was thinking about buying this aircraft but I've read quite a bit about bug issues still plaguing it. Thanks for your help in advance...

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As far as I can tell any FS aircraft which has the autopilot entry in the aircraft.cfg file enabled will capture and follow a glideslope down to the threshold of the runway unless it has been specifically programmed not to. The Piper Cheyenne is a fairly modern and sophisticated aircraft equiped with a complete set of avionics including the ability to follow a glideslope. The autopilot interface in the Aerosoft Cheyenne is an accurate representation of the original; it is non standard compared with other FS autopilots, and will require a quick look at the documentation to get it working properly.The Aerosoft Cheyenne is one of the better add-ons you can get for FSX IMO, and well worth getting.

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Not sure where to exactly post this, but I'm hoping I can get an answer to this. It should not be much trouble for owners of the software to answer. Does the aircraft have a fully automated approach system or do you hand fly the aircraft maintaining proper throttle and viewing the glideslope? Does it capture the ILS and steer the aircraft or is that also hand flown? I was thinking about buying this aircraft but I've read quite a bit about bug issues still plaguing it. Thanks for your help in advance...
Yes. the DA Cheyenne can capture the glide path and will follow the glide slope, much like the default Beech 350. It does not have autothrottle - you must manually control the torque and rpm to hold the desired airspeed. It does not have autoland, so you must take over for the actual touchdown. It models an older type autopilot and you adjust the vertical speed by clicking on a control on the autopilot panel. Two of the models included also have an IAS and a best performance mode for climb. The only bug issues I'm aware of involve the Trimble GPS. I've never had a problem with FSX flight plans imported into the Trimble, but some have reported problems with the direct to function and manual inputs. DA has a beta fix for this issue in testing. I ran into a Out of Memory problem on my system, but it was easily solved with the 3gb switch fix.Overall, this is my favorite FSX aircraft - realistic, but a joy to hand fly (I often turn the autopilot off and hand fly the entire approach, just because it's fun).Dale

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Thanks very much for both of your replies, They have been very helpful...

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Get it, its a joy to fly, i use it both VFR and IFR, GPS and VOR , get the latest beta gps update it updates some gaiges and does help, less crashes now when usng gps.

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I have every major release addon that there is and I can't make this aircraft follow and track an ILS approach to save my life. Never have I had this kinda trouble before, well maybe some freeware. It intercepts it but refuses to follow the path correctly. The GPS works without a hitch, but even with all procedures followed by the exact letter in the manual, nothing. I mean the aircraft is an utter dream to hand fly, But it just nice to know that the system is working properly. My buddy who owns this, won't even fly it anymore because of this issue, well that and the flickering VC interior light issue, me I could live with it. Glideslope comes alive but never indicates it on the Annu only on the Bug, the aircraft begins to follow but looses the track every time. In VOR mode, NAV 1 radio set to proper freq., switched to ILS and approach armed. If you own this aircraft and can help, it would be great. I'd really like to buy this one because it is truly magnificent. Even with the flickering issues, it still is a great VC lighting experience. But if it has this big of an issue, I'd have to pass. To be honest, I kinda enjoy this more than my new Flight 1 mustang, which I must say is a world unto itself. Its just something about those turbos. Did this aircraft ever have these issues before any updates were applied? If it is only a patch issue that fixes this, than it won't be an issue, being that I would be purchasing the latest release. Thanks to anyone who can help. I would be on the Aerosoft forums with this but I'm not an owner of the software.

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I have every major release addon that there is and I can't make this aircraft follow and track an ILS approach to save my life. Never have I had this kinda trouble before, well maybe some freeware. It intercepts it but refuses to follow the path correctly. The GPS works without a hitch, but even with all procedures followed by the exact letter in the manual, nothing. I mean the aircraft is an utter dream to hand fly, But it just nice to know that sytem is working properly. My buddy who owns this, won't even fly it anymore because of this issue, well that and the flickering VC interior light issue, me I could live with it. Glideslope comes alive but never indicates it on the Annu only on the Bug, the aircraft begins to follow but looses the track every time. In VOR mode, NAV 1 radio set to proper freq., swithed to ILS and approach armed. If you own this aircraft and can help, it would be great. I'd really like to buy this one because it is truly magnificent. Even with the flickering issues, it still is a great VC lighting experience. But if it has this big of an issue, I'd have to pass. To be honest, I kinda enjoy this more than my new Flight 1 mustang, which I must say is a world unto itself. Its just something about those turbos. Did this aircraft ever have these issues before any updates were applied? If it is only a patch issue that fixes this, than it won't be an issue, being that I would be purchasing the latest release. Thanks to anyone who can help. I would be on the Aerosoft forums with this but I'm not an owner of the software.
I like the Cheyenne too. The lighting is awesome. It's a sticky wicket though. There is a beta patch out and hopefully there will be a final patch. http://digital-aviation.de/forum/

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In VOR mode, NAV 1 radio set to proper freq., switched to ILS and approach armed. If you own this aircraft and can help, it would be great. I'd really like to buy this one because it is truly magnificent.... Thanks to anyone who can help. I would be on the Aerosoft forums with this but I'm not an owner of the software.
Just took off from Meigs, heading north.AP set to ALT arm at 3000 ft, NAV1 tuned to the ILS for KORD Rwy 27, AP to ApproachCaptured the ILS, tracked perfectly right onto the runway.See picture below..

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Just took off from Meigs, heading north.AP set to ALT arm at 3000 ft, NAV1 tuned to the ILS for KORD Rwy 27, AP to ApproachCaptured the ILS, tracked perfectly right onto the runway.See picture below..
I don't mean to doubt you on this, but if you truly are in the automated approach sequence the HSI should have switched over to VOR mode and not stayed in the ADF. Right?

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I don't mean to doubt you on this, but if you truly are in the automated approach sequence the HSI should have switched over to VOR mode and not stayed in the ADF. Right?
As best I can tell, this HSI has an integrated "RMI readout" which is the green pointer at the 3 o'clockposition. You can select it to show VOR2 or ADF information. This is independent of the CDI whichshows VOR1 or GPS.If anyone can explain it better, please jump in.

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As best I can tell, this HSI has an integrated "RMI readout" which is the green pointer at the 3 o'clockposition. You can select it to show VOR2 or ADF information. This is independent of the CDI whichshows VOR1 or GPS.If anyone can explain it better, please jump in.
Are you in FS9?

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Just can't figure this thing out. Made the exact same approach as you, set up identical, alt arm 3000ft. It captures the ILS frequency and is unable to hold it. Green indicator is telling it to turn and it does nothing every time. Had to fly several other Addons including the PMDG MD11 just to make sure I wasn't losing my mind. This is the only aircraft that does this. It must be the radios. I mean I can't even get an answer to this at the Aerosoft site, 25 have viewed and no answers. No answer from DA either. I've had it. Glad I didn't buy it. It has all the updates too. Someone else must be experiencing this too, it can't be just me. Great aircraft to hand fly though and I love everything else about it. Just to friggin bad I guess!

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Just can't figure this thing out. Made the exact same approach as you, set up identical, alt arm 3000ft. It captures the ILS frequency and is unable to hold it. Green indicator is telling it to turn and it does nothing every time. Had to fly several other Addons including the PMDG MD11 just to make sure I wasn't losing my mind. This is the only aircraft that does this. It must be the radios. I mean I can't even get an answer to this at the Aerosoft site, 25 have viewed and no answers. No answer from DA either. I've had it. Glad I didn't buy it. It has all the updates too. Someone else must be experiencing this too, it can't be just me. Great aircraft to hand fly though and I love everything else about it. Just to friggin bad I guess!
Try the digital aviaton forumhttp://www.digital-aviation.de/l_html/main.html

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As best I can tell, this HSI has an integrated "RMI readout" which is the green pointer at the 3 o'clockposition. You can select it to show VOR2 or ADF information. This is independent of the CDI whichshows VOR1 or GPS.If anyone can explain it better, please jump in.
You explained it correctly. I don't think anyone is going to explain it any better. FWIW I have never had a problem with the autopilot in approach mode either. I have flown this airplane a lot and it has coupled up with the ILS every time. Though it is important to get down to the proper intercept altitude before intercepting the glide slope.

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I regret to say it's something you [and your friend] are doing as it works right every time for me.Maybe you could post the same kind of panel shot as the above to display your autopilot and maybe nav radio settings?The only thing maybe I can suggest is that you shouldn't select Approach mode until the glideslope indicator drops to the centre position.I select Nav mode to line up on the localiser runway heading and then switch to Approach only once the glideslope indicator is at the centre. I don't think that's a peculiarity of the Cheyenne - I have seen it recommended for other aircraft too.Just a couple of points which I'm sure you have picked up from the manuals:1) The yaw damper has to be on for the autopilot to operate2) Nav1 needs to be set to a valid ILS frequency. This will switch the nav source from GPS to VOR/ILS, but Nav mode needs to be selected on the autopilot to activate it (& Heading mode off once Nav shows as coupled) 3) There is no autothrottle on the Cheyenne, so you need to manage speed at c. 110 knots with full flap during the approach, otherwise it may diverge from the glideslope [possibly in a rather dramatic way if you get too slow]. 4) There is no autoflare so you need to disconnect the autopilot at an appropriate point to complete the landing manually.The above points are of course accurate representations of the actual aircraft, they are NOT faults in the Digital Aviation model.

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I echo the fact that this is the best add-on I have come across so far.I wouldn't say I'm an especially sophisticated user of the Trimble - I generally load up a flightplan directly from the FS active flight & go.I don't do Direct To's or fly approach procedures from the Trimble.Those that do that clever stuff do seem to have some problems which DA is trying to fix.I have never had a single CTD which I'd put down to the Cheyenne as opposed to other factors.

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I regret to say it's something you [and your friend] are doing as it works right every time for me.Maybe you could post the same kind of panel shot as the above to display your autopilot and maybe nav radio settings?The only thing maybe I can suggest is that you shouldn't select Approach mode until the glideslope indicator drops to the centre position.I select Nav mode to line up on the localiser runway heading and then switch to Approach only once the glideslope indicator is at the centre. I don't think that's a peculiarity of the Cheyenne - I have seen it recommended for other aircraft too.Just a couple of points which I'm sure you have picked up from the manuals:1) The yaw damper has to be on for the autopilot to operate2) Nav1 needs to be set to a valid ILS frequency. This will switch the nav source from GPS to VOR/ILS, but Nav mode needs to be selected on the autopilot to activate it (& Heading mode off once Nav shows as coupled) 3) There is no autothrottle on the Cheyenne, so you need to manage speed at c. 110 knots with full flap during the approach, otherwise it may diverge from the glideslope [possibly in a rather dramatic way if you get too slow]. 4) There is no autoflare so you need to disconnect the autopilot at an appropriate point to complete the landing manually.The above points are of course accurate representations of the actual aircraft, they are NOT faults in the Digital Aviation model.

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Sorry, accidentally did the quote thing. Yep, everything is as it should with every ILS approach I've ever done with this aircraft. The Nav captures it, wait for the glideslope indicator to center, activate approach. The AP just will not obey the runway alignment indicator. All is as it should be with Nav 1 radio set at 110.50 approach to Honolulu runway 4R. It makes its initial ajustment and then as alignment indicator begins to move further to tell it to correct its steer the AP does nothing. Many airports tried with all the same results... Hands up on this one and just to let you know, as I've said, I have allot of addon aircraft and execute ILS approaches with no issues what so ever.

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Sorry, accidentally did the quote thing. Yep, everything is as it should with every ILS approach I've ever done with this aircraft. The Nav captures it, wait for the glideslope indicator to center, activate approach. The AP just will not obey the runway alignment indicator. All is as it should be with Nav 1 radio set at 110.50 approach to Honolulu runway 4R. It makes its initial ajustment and then as alignment indicator begins to move further to tell it to correct its steer the AP does nothing. Many airports tried with all the same results... Hands up on this one and just to let you know, as I've said, I have allot of addon aircraft and execute ILS approaches with no issues what so ever.
Have you possibly got the AP set to GPS mode?

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Have you possibly got the AP set to GPS mode?
Nope, it set to VOR/ILS

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Nope, it set to VOR/ILS
I'm curious now since I have the Cheyenne. Where else have you flown ILS approaches with this aircraft? I will play around with a few places in FSX that I have flown before and see what the outcome is.Keith

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Sorry, accidentally did the quote thing. Yep, everything is as it should with every ILS approach I've ever done with this aircraft. The Nav captures it, wait for the glideslope indicator to center, activate approach. The AP just will not obey the runway alignment indicator. All is as it should be with Nav 1 radio set at 110.50 approach to Honolulu runway 4R. It makes its initial ajustment and then as alignment indicator begins to move further to tell it to correct its steer the AP does nothing. Many airports tried with all the same results... Hands up on this one and just to let you know, as I've said, I have allot of addon aircraft and execute ILS approaches with no issues what so ever.
Maybe it performs better if you have a fully paid up copy.. :(

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Maybe it performs better if you have a fully paid up copy.. :(
I was wondering when someone was going to notice that. He did say twice that he was glad that he didn't buy it!Todd

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I checked the Cheyenne support forum, and the fix is listed there.Suggest you get your friend who has the license to look it up for you.Look for ILS in one of the most recent posts.

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