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GA allowed at KLAX?

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are GA aircraft allowed to fly into KLAX airport?and just to clarify I mean like C182's, SR22, C208, etc thanksbs

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are GA aircraft allowed to fly into KLAX airport?and just to clarify I mean like C182's, SR22, C208, etc thanksbs
They list 3% Ga traffic in their stats but it appears that they do not sell 100 ll fuel at the two fbo's.http://www.airnav.com/airport/KLAXThe only question though is why one would want to fly a smaller aircraft there. I personally have never landed at a class B airport in my 21 years of flying-they usually have expensive landing fees, fuel is much more expensive, it takes much longer to get in and out, and there is usually a smaller airport that is much more convenient and closer to your ultimate destination. When I flew out there I landed at Long Beach instead-since I was going to hop a ferry over to Catalina it was much closer.

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They list 3% Ga traffic in their stats but it appears that they do not sell 100 ll fuel at the two fbo's.http://www.airnav.com/airport/KLAXThe only question though is why one would want to fly a smaller aircraft there. I personally have never landed at a class B airport in my 21 years of flying-they usually have expensive landing fees, fuel is much more expensive, it takes much longer to get in and out, and there is usually a smaller airport that is much more convenient and closer to your ultimate destination. When I flew out there I landed at Long Beach instead-since I was going to hop a ferry over to Catalina it was much closer.
thanks for that info. especially the never landing at a class B - that was interesting.

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This was a great question. As a LJ45 sim builder, I try to keep my flights into airports that would recieve business jets, and as Geoff said GA aircraft typically will avoid the major airports if at all possible. This is why I love the two series produced by Flight Scenery so much- they offer a truly spectacular product in their smaller airports. Too bad they never stayed around. Back to the question and answer though- I try to fly into the satelite/reliever airports for my flights. Example, Midway for Chicago, Peachtree or Charlie Brown for Atlanta, Ft. Lauderdale vs. Miami, etc.

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To answer the question... No.You need a permit to land GA there. Although I think GA is too broad of a term as there are GA aircraft that are operating outa LAX. JB

Buzz313th

Talk about a pain in the &@($* for ATC. Little C182 landing at 70 knots and behind it, an A340 at 150!

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A while back (year+) I watched a YouTube video of a guy taking a Cirrus SR-22 into LAX. ATC just worked him right in the flow and he taxied his way to the FBO's location, where the Cirrus was definitely smaller than most all the other aircraft sitting there.

Talk about a pain in the &@($* for ATC. Little C182 landing at 70 knots and behind it, an A340 at 150!
Hahaha I can imagine. That'd probably cause a few delays...
To answer the question... No.You need a permit to land GA there.
Sorry, the answer to his question is YES.Every pilot landing at controlled airport and specially one in class B airspace needs a clearance from ATC. No such thing as 'permit'. But there may be numerous inconveniences for a GA pilot trying to go to LAX - abnormal delays, high landing fees, etc.

Michael J.

Sorry, the answer to his question is YES.Every pilot landing at controlled airport and specially one in class B airspace needs a clearance from ATC. No such thing as 'permit'. But there may be numerous inconveniences for a GA pilot trying to go to LAX - abnormal delays, high landing fees, etc.
Ok, I am wrong... and I admit it.. I looked in the Airport Facility Directory, the FAR's and the AIM and couldn't find anything. I took my private outa Van Nuys, my instrument through my multi commercial at Bracket and even owned a cherokee 140, tail number N3451Q outa whiteman and flew all over SoCal in and around the Lax Class Bravo but always stayed away from LAX because I remember my Private Instructor telling me that there were certain Class Bravo airports that were so busy, that GA non Commercial flights were prohibited to operate out of the airport without a written request being aproved and LAX was one of them. I got my Private in 96. Anyway, after looking for proof to backup my statement and finding none, I called the Flight Service Station to ask a flight briefer. He laughed after I told him that I had an ongoing bet and needed an answer to a question. I asked him if GA Non Commercial flights can operate outa LAX and his answer was as long as they meet Equip requirements for Class Bravo and the pilot has a valid Private cert with mode C on and has obtained an ATC clearance to land, then yes they can land LAX as long as weather minimums are above minimums for VFR and no SVFR. He did say that in IFR conditions LAX ATC will deny all Landing requests for aircraft that can't maintain a minimum approach speed durring all segments of the precision or non precision approach, although this is not a written rule, but an understanding. He also said that eventhough you might request a landing clearance in conditions above VFR miniumums, that he has seen many times SoCal App have the small plane hold or circle long beach for however long it takes to discourage the pilot from landing LAX, especially if the tail number is new to the controllers and or the airport is busy. In a nutshell the flight briefer said that it is not against any FAR's for small GA aircraft to land LAX, but you will be guaranteed a landing clearance if you call the tower on a landline prior to filing the VFR flight plan and state your intentions for landing LAX with your aircrafts tail number and ETA into the class bravo airspace.This is straight from the briefers mouth from the Lockheed FSS.JB

Buzz313th

He did say that in IFR conditions LAX ATC will deny all Landing requests for aircraft that can't maintain a minimum approach speed durring all segments of the precision or non precision approach, although this is not a written rule, but an understanding.
That sounds reasonable. Even in VFR conditions they will ask you to maintain highest approach speed you can master and in IFR conditions I would assume that accommodating someone who is slower over longer stretches of the approach path may be next to impossible.

Michael J.

Looking at Flightaware KLAX has no prop and only 2 GA jets based there. All the rest of GA aircraft landing there is transient.http://flightaware.com/resources/airport/KLAX/summary
Without 100ll fuel available it is hard to be based there with a piston aircraft..Some of these airports also require an ifr reservation to get in. On the other hand, State College, Pa which is a small uncontrolled field also requires an ifr reservation on a weekend when there is a football game!It really comes down to convenience. A few years ago I wanted to fly and visit the Smithsonian Air museum at Dulles.Looking into it-there was a $50 landing fee at Dulles, fuel was almost 2x as expensive, long taxi times, and there was no easy way to get to the museum which was at one end of the field.Flying to Leesburg instead-no landing fees, fuel vastly cheaper, 1 turn off the runway to parking, a rental car for the day for $18 and a 10 minute drive. No brainer on that decision.

Geofa

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The relevant section in the regulations is 14CFR, part 93. There are 5 designated 'high density airports' which have limitations on the number of hourly IFR operations, split up by type (air carrier, commuter, and other). Those five are LGA, EWR, JFK, DCA, and ORD (though JFK and EWR are 'suspended' at the moment). In addition, as Geof points out, there are provisions for requiring IFR reservations at any airport during times of high traffic (big sporting events) or reduced capacity (runway closures, etc.). The website for reserving slots is here, if you're interested. So, as others have said, there are no formal restrictions at LAX (though there are special rules for operating VFR in the area).

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