Haha Paul, :( You have to be the most negative individual on this forum. In many posts, if it's how you do it, then that's it, there is no better way, and if it's how you prefer it, then that too is arguable by no one.It has nothing to do with excuses, in some cases VC is just not an option for some and in most cases it's personal preference. How the hell can someone be wrong stating their own personal preference? Hahaha, Serious Paul, check your cabin pressure, I think you might need some o2.

Well said Dan :(

From a standing landing view in the VC, it takes me 4 seconds to turn to the landing lights to swich it on. It take me another 3 to 4 seconds to go back to the landing angle postion. It takes me about 5 seconds to look down at the radio and change frequencies (I use vatsim). Then it takes another 3 to get the landing view I wanted. All this while letting go of my joystick, using my mouse and holding the spacebar!I like both 2D and VC views, and this is how i use it;2D- for systems, radios, navigation with VOR'S/etc, checklist flows and everything in betweenVC- For manuvering the plane during taxi, take off, landing, or not on autopilot.If PMDG is not going to include 2D panels for the boeing 737 then i might as well get the ariane 737Brandon Cruz For those of you who think that "virtual cockpits" are the future, try flying Concorde or Airbus A300 with only using VC and you'll see what I really mean!

Haha Paul, :( You have to be the most negative individual on this forum. In many posts, if it's how you do it, then that's it, there is no better way, and if it's how you prefer it, then that too is arguable by no one.It has nothing to do with excuses, in some cases VC is just not an option for some and in most cases it's personal preference. How the hell can someone be wrong stating their own personal preference? Hahaha, Serious Paul, check your cabin pressure, I think you might need some o2.

Well said, Dan. I could think of many less diplomatic things to say.Cheers,Rudy

Maybe if we could have VC views like the ones in the Jetstream, but with key assignments to switch views at will...

Haha Paul, :( You have to be the most negative individual on this forum. In many posts, if it's how you do it, then that's it, there is no better way, and if it's how you prefer it, then that too is arguable by no one.It has nothing to do with excuses, in some cases VC is just not an option for some and in most cases it's personal preference. How the hell can someone be wrong stating their own personal preference? Hahaha, Serious Paul, check your cabin pressure, I think you might need some o2.

I'm negative??? "It's too slow - its too hard - its too different" and I am the one being called negative? Assertive - yes. Argumentitive - sometimes. Stubborn - on occaision. But negative? You are right in that there are some cases where VC is just not an option, either because it doesn't exist, it is not complete or it is just not pleasant, and in those situations we have to use the 2D cockpit and that is fair enough. But, and this is what I was attempting to address, a surprising number of posters here are saying they do not like and would prefer not to use a VC even if one is available, and given that we are taking about the the upcoming PMDG T7, from the makers of the JS41, we are not talking here about a shoddy, incomplete or unfinished VC, we are talking state-of-the-art, this is what the pilot sees when s/he looks around, this is as real as it gets, VC. If you think that is a reasonable position to take, that is your right, just as it is mine to think that it is unreasonable. If you think it is reasonable for an adult to come onto a public forum and confess that it takes them 3 or 4 seconds to find and turn on the landing light switch, and another 3 or 4 seconds to look out the window again, and to think of this as a problem with the VC and rather then the users mouse control, remembering that landing light switches are almost always positioned so that the pilot can locate, check, and set them without taking their eyes off the view out the window, then again, I have to think that you are not being reasonable. If you think that makes me negative, so be it, but you are still being unreasonable.If you think it is negative of me to disagree with someone for disliking the VC on a limited screen because they think that the guages are too small and the zoom buttons are too awkward when correct use of a mouse with a scroll wheel will give them far better use of their small screen, then we have different ideas of what negative means.

Paul its personal preference, some people love 2d while others don't stray from the VC. I don't see any excuses here.

I don't think I'm being unreasonable, I think you're using that word incorrectly actually. I really don't want to argue, but to be honest... This morning when I read your comment it was just dead wrong. It wasn't just that comment, there are several. In fact for someone unreasonable why have I stuck up for you so much? You probably never even noticed but please do ask and I'll dig up some threads. The last one I honestly didn't agree with a word you said but in my post right after you were attacked for saying what you did was: "I think you misunderstood him, I can relate to what Paul said because of the way this thread does read". I really didn't agree, but that doesn't mean I couldn't see things through your eyes, or how easily one could have taken a bit of attitude toward the poster.Do I post things I wish I didn't? Haha, absolutely. I actually didn't have any HAHA's in my original post above, but as time past, mellowed out a tad, then felt a little bad and added them. I am more a defender than an attacker and do apologize to you for upsetting you, perhaps I just got up on the wrong side of the cage this morning but there isn't any need for either of our comments.I personally love to read posts and topics that allow me to see others point of view, even if at first my chin is on the floor I merely try to see where their coming from or dealing with. Every one and their mothers uncle would like to squeez a frame rate here and there and 2D allows that for some, and others (including me) just prefer the 2D. Here's the real irony to all this,,, I CANNOT use the 2D panels at all, haha. My matrox triplehead2go running @ 5040x1050 just doesn't allow it, it is all black. I was beyong bummed when I found this out and then weighed my option, either lose surrond gaming and get my panels back or give VC a better go. The VC's are incredible but for me were hard to get use to because even though they are more "realistic" they simply made it harder for me to see what I wanted to do and (this will be hard to understand) believe it or not, felt less systematic haha.I value everyones opinions and look forward to them, whether it be the new guy with 1 post, or a forum legend, there all the same to me "Individual opinions" and mostly, just a different way to look at things. I actually try to always think that nobody is really wrong, it's just how they might interpret something or a miscommunication, but all in all, they are right in their own mind going by the facts that they have in front of them. So anywho, enough babble from the peanut gallery here. I was wrong in lashing out and I'm sorry. So let's shake hands, go grab a cold one and galk at chics and try to think of something witty to say (like, I can make your breasts seem larger,,, I have small hands) :(Edit: Ooops, forgot to finish my boring VC story. To make a long story longer, I got TrackIR right away and adjusted everything I could to get more comfortable with the VC and now,,, I loves it! I still love the 2D's and popups for me and my resolution are still 100% needed or I can't finish a flight, but am glad everything happened the way it did pushing me into the VC. For others that have the systems to handle it, I recommend key mapping the 2D pop ups and just do a flight or two in the VC, it's the best of both worlds! If not, no biggie, to each their own.

... So let's shake hands, go grab a cold one and galk at chics and try to think of something witty to say (like, I can make your breasts seem larger,,, I have small hands) :(...

I caused you upset and that was not my intention. I apologise. Question of preference I have no problem with, but what I was seeing, and perhaps I was being overly sensitive, were expressions of dogma. A hardening of opinion into seperate camps of VC good! and VC bad! This I feel, is a very bad thing for our hobby as was seen with the FS9/FSX war which was completly unnecessary but went on for years anyway. If we get to a situation where people like Rudy are refusing to buy products that don't have 2D panels, while others refuse to buy without VC, then developers have to invest more time, money and effort to produce models with 2D and VC, or make products which fewer people buy. Sooner or later the developers will have to 1) put up prices, 2) make fewer products or 3) leave the industry as not profitable. And all because it has become fashionable to not like VC? When someone says they prefer one over the other, that is fine. When they give reasons for their preference, that helps improve understanding. When those reasons have nothing to do with 2D or VC, then you get posts like mine. Now I am going to enjoy my weekend, have a few beers, and hopefully get a few hours air time. If I am in the JS41 or MD-11, then I will be in the VC only. If I fly the Simcheck A300, then I will be mostly VC, but occaisional 2D. If I fly the Level D 767, it will be 2D only, but whatever I fly, I will enjoy it. Have a good weekend.

I don't mean to be argumentative, but I have found people with fast computers large monitors and hardware like yokes and throttles and pedals would want to fly in a virtual cockpit. These are the types of people who have some tech "know-how" and want the feeling of "being there", which adds to the experience.