This is exactly why I say it will probably never happen, it's natural, but it's WRONG (Isn't it?) none the less.Something awful, but true.I use somalia since it's a good example of what happens when un-educated people receive guns (They kill to get on top, sort of like we use money to get on top in america) (This isn't always the case, but it's been observed more than once in this world)Did you take the gun? nope.Your indulgance in personal items (Like pepsi) removed money from other places in the world market. Western countries are very indulgant compared with the third world. You may work hard for it, but somebody else on the other side of the world works ten times harder for way less. America benefits they get screwed. it's a losing battle for everyone else. westerners (That includes europe, canada, etc. the US is the worse, but russia is guilty too)When push comes to shove? you could never have done enough to help another person short of giving everything, but we observe the worlds poorest kill themselves and their brothers all day.We sip arnold palmers.If you'd have given all you have? you'd have saved a life somewhere some how, in the case of we who have computers and multiple luxuries, our work can save the life of one, and with multiples of us, we can save countries worth of people through the building of schools and promotion of education which leads to business etc. if it would have happened, those people wouldn't be dead. Similar to all third world countries, including those where starvation runs rampant

If I follow your logic, and I hope I don't, someone like Geof is a greedy murderer as he flies a cancer patient to treatment on a Wings of Mercy flight. Yet you refer to calling a criminal (admitted criminal now) "horrible" in bad taste. That sounds like two doses of hypocrisy from you.

Geof's a mostly good guy from what I know, he's not any worse than I am or you as far as I can tell.If he has more than what he needs to survive though? so called "Luxury" items? Yep he's a member of the club.I just say don't pass your own judgements - you're no angel cake yourself, we all have our hand in the bad things of this world, directly or indirectly.You, nor geof, nor anybody else in this forum is as innocent as they may think.Call it hypocricy if you like, but you know by this ideology you aren't innocent either. :( Nobody is, so the basis of discussion of the matter is that one MUST be a hypocrite.Since that's the case, I'll be that person, sure. Just because I'm hypocritical doesn't mean I'm not right. so i have to know, are you trying to make this about me, when infact you're just as guilty as I am?Personally I think it's 100% hypocritical for you to judge this person as "Horrible", being as you are, as we've deduced, a person who contributes to the world's issues in some manner or another.So who's the hypocrite, the hypocrite or the hypocrite labeling the hypocrite :(

If I follow your logic, and I hope I don't, someone like Geof is a greedy murderer as he flies a cancer patient to treatment on a Wings of Mercy flight. Yet you refer to calling a criminal (admitted criminal now) "horrible" in bad taste. That sounds like two doses of hypocrisy from you.

Review what I've stated in this thread. At no point have I condoned his actions. Not once.amoral sociopath - Morals are taught, not ingrained within our psyche. Morals vary based on social background, ethnic background, where one lives, etc. Social behavior is taught, and I daresay Wall Street's 'social behavior' has done far more damage than this kid's."...a pervasive pattern of disregard for, and violation of, the rights of others". - Patriot Act... nothing more needs to be said. Also, it's not a right to own anything. In any country.endangered the lives of many, many people - No more so than a person who speeds, and on that topic you will find most speeders feel it's their right to do so.I could go on and on... but the bottom line: The labels being assigned are inaccurate, improper and shows a desire to protect material wealth above all else.My complaint about my software being pirated doesn't protect material wealth... trust me... wealth isn't a factor in this at all. All of you need to grasp that I just don't make that much income off of making aircraft for FS. Just isn't there. It buys clothes for my child, food for the table, helps pay the utility bills and rent. No new cars, no stereo, no widescreen TV. It is such a significant difference between my loss versus the loss of a $500,000 aircraft that I will never, ever be in a position to afford (let alone convince myself of the actual value of doing so... after all, it's a recreational device of epic costs).

The logic that the barefoot kid didn't harm anyone is like an officer pulling a drunk over for weaving and letting him go because he also did not harm anyone. My complaint of a safety issue with this kid has nothing to do with wealth. It has to do with an untrained pilot flying in airspace which has rules which need to be followed for everyone to be safe, and a public below that has a right to expect someone in the sky is properly trained. Your statement that he did not "endangered the lives of many, many people" is simply incorrect. Do you think he flew with a transponder on at appropriate altitudes and avoided airspace on his escapade to the Bahamas? He put everyone between his departure and destination in danger-period. As for your last statement, I believe you are stating the piracy issue bothers you not because of the lost income, but because priracy is simply wrong?I am sure you will find the $500,000 airplane owner agreeing-after all his lost aircraft will be covered by insurance.So it really will not be a "wealth" issue for him either. He will however most likely feel exactly as you do when one of your works appears on a pirate site-violated. I think regardless of different societies that feeling is pretty universal when wronged by someone.re: an airplane's value and it being a recreational device-tell the patients of the organization I fly for where we provide free air transportation to people of limited incomes to medical centers . This is of course just a local organization to my region -these organizations are all over the country. My group has done 72 missions 41,378 miles this year alone and helped lots of people. But then, most I know who have achieved the ability to attain an airplane usually like to give something back. The greed I have seen in life has seldom been there.

Geof's a mostly good guy from what I know, he's not any worse than I am or you as far as I can tell.If he has more than what he needs to survive though? so called "Luxury" items? Yep he's a member of the club.I just say don't pass your own judgements - you're no angel cake yourself, we all have our hand in the bad things of this world, directly or indirectly.You, nor geof, nor anybody else in this forum is as innocent as they may think.Call it hypocricy if you like, but you know by this ideology you aren't innocent either. :( Nobody is, so the basis of discussion of the matter is that one MUST be a hypocrite.Since that's the case, I'll be that person, sure. Just because I'm hypocritical doesn't mean I'm not right. so i have to know, are you trying to make this about me, when infact you're just as guilty as I am?

Ryan-I vote for you to head up a new government agency to decide exactly what everyone needs. Seems like none of us are capable of figuring that out. :(

Thanks for the recommendation, But I'm going to pass:America would hate me because Taxes would go to levels that would be considered insane by today's standards, and that money wouldn't go to the military. Plus, I'd be assasinated, who wants all their hard earned cash to go to the poor who haven't worked for it in some third world country :( . You're right, well partially, there's problems the world over, some people have great ideas, but those ideas could never be because they require a common goal between people.People like to compete.Fundamental flaw of humanity, wouldn't you say? Co-operation could fix all of the world's problems, but infact, we like competition better. It's more fun, more entertaining. more "Natural"

Geof's a mostly good guy from what I know, he's not any worse than I am or you as far as I can tell.If he has more than what he needs to survive though? so called "Luxury" items? Yep he's a member of the club.I just say don't pass your own judgements - you're no angel cake yourself, we all have our hand in the bad things of this world, directly or indirectly.You, nor geof, nor anybody else in this forum is as innocent as they may think.Call it hypocricy if you like, but you know by this ideology you aren't innocent either. :( Nobody is, so the basis of discussion of the matter is that one MUST be a hypocrite.Since that's the case, I'll be that person, sure. Just because I'm hypocritical doesn't mean I'm not right. so i have to know, are you trying to make this about me, when infact you're just as guilty as I am?

You're contradicting yourself by saying "don't pass judgements", but then passing judgements. Which is it? Are we all greedy murderers, or are you going to refrain from passing judgement? You prefer I and other's don't pass judgement on this admitted criminal, yet you pass judgement on all of us. No, I don't believe that I am contributing to anyone's death. My purchases contribute to jobs, not deaths. Your ideology is your right, but you've failed to portray it in a manner that makes any sense. Your solution to the problem seems to be that we should all be exactly the same. That sounds like the exact opposite of freedom. Such redistribution can not co-exist with freedom.

America would hate me because Taxes would go to levels that would be considered insane by today's standards

Impossible. People can sustain life without money, and therefore a job is non-essential by your ideology. We can all eat berries from the forrests and drink from streams. So no need for a job, and therefore no taxes.

I stated that his actions were no more life threatening than of someone who speeds. They weren't.I stated that his actions were no more 'horrible' than someone who steals a candy bar. They weren't.The majority of his actual impact is upon material weath of individuals who can easily afford to move forward without much financial impact. Does it make it right, nope. But it means it's not as big a deal as people are making it. After all, he didn't take down our economy and then ask for federal money to rebuild his portfolio.

Yes, I have admitted I am being hypocritical, in support of my idea, because society has a way about it to which one is required to subscribe or be shunned.I've explained it in a way that's not hard to understand, You can do great things in this life, but ultimately unless you give it all - you didn't do enough, you were "Greedy"By definition.excessive or rapacious desire, esp. for wealth or possessions. While others were left for dead, and died due to a lack of resources of which you over-indulged in. That coke, that dollar that want to pepsi, and another -over indulgant westerner. Could have gone to a school, which created a knowledgeable student, who bettered his country in way of, oh say, jobs!

You're contradicting yourself by saying "don't pass judgements", but then passing judgements. Which is it? Are we all greedy murderers, or are you going to refrain from passing judgement? You prefer I and other's don't pass judgement on this admitted criminal, yet you pass judgement on all of us. No, I don't believe that I am contributing to anyone's death. My purchases contribute to jobs, not deaths. Your ideology is your right, but you've failed to portray it in a manner that makes any sense. Your solution to the problem seems to be that we should all be exactly the same. That sounds like the exact opposite of freedom. Such redistribution can not co-exist with freedom.

You've never been to, or heard of, some of these third world countries have you rightseater?Natural resources galore in some of them, knowledge of techniques in irrigation/farming? 2000 year old civilizations look extra-ordinarily better.Education is the source. Education, food, water, the necessities. Those things that people really need to better themselves in some "Humane" fashion.Fact of the matter is though, so many people don't have them, by not giving these things? and over-indulging in our own economy? We kick them to the ground.The US economy is an over-inflated cow of 350 million people having more twice the profits in GDP of any other country.there are 7 billion people on this planet, and 350 million of them are by far on average, wealthier than any others, many wester countries, while not sharing that high GDP - for their number of citizens they also have very high gdp's which create a nation where the majority are above the poverty line.what else? the third world countries aren't allowed to partake, they don't have anybody with the sort of education required to better themselves, or their country.Sucks to be them, right?

I stated that his actions were no more life threatening than of someone who speeds. They weren't.I stated that his actions were no more 'horrible' than someone who steals a candy bar. They weren't.The majority of his actual impact is upon material weath of individuals who can easily afford to move forward without much financial impact. Does it make it right, nope. But it means it's not as big a deal as people are making it. After all, he didn't take down our economy and then ask for federal money to rebuild his portfolio.

The fact that he did not smack into another airplane, or hurt someone on the ground was dumb luck. He had great potential to do a great amount of injury. You are right his actions were no more horrible than speeding or stealing a candy bar. They all meet the definition of breaking the law. I don't think anyone is making a big deal about it except his mother who is trying to make money from the situation. He is a criminal, should be dealt with, and I hope we never hear from him again.

I stated that his actions were no more life threatening than of someone who speeds. They weren't.I stated that his actions were no more 'horrible' than someone who steals a candy bar. They weren't.The majority of his actual impact is upon material weath of individuals who can easily afford to move forward without much financial impact. Does it make it right, nope. But it means it's not as big a deal as people are making it. After all, he didn't take down our economy and then ask for federal money to rebuild his portfolio.

Not as big of a deal to you perhaps, but I suspect many of the victims of his thievery disagree. I haven't seen this person's actions compared to economic collapse. I am seeing his actions, and him, labled as horrible. You claim the victims of his thievery can easily afford to move forward without much financial impact, but we have seen the same allegations about piracy. If I were to suggest that piracy does not hurt your bottom line, I suspect you would disagree. I have been the victim of burglary, and it most certainly is not always easy to move forward, not even to those well insured as I was/am. It's not all about money either. Those crimes take a lot more than your posessions. I've yet to have my piece of mind replaced. That is indeed a big deal.

You've never been to, or heard of, some of these third world countries have you rightseater?Natural resources galore in some of them, knowledge of techniques in irrigation/farming? 2000 year old civilizations look extra-ordinarily better.Education is the source. Education, food, water, the necessities. Those things that people really need to better themselves in some "Humane" fashion.Fact of the matter is though, so many people don't have them, by not giving these things? and over-indulging in our own economy? We kick them to the ground.The US economy is an over-inflated cow of 350 million people having more twice the profits in GDP of any other country.

During my 22 years in the Navy I went to places you've probably never even heard of. My P-3C (79 215, NS Jax) performed nearly 400 humanitarian missions during my 14 years onboard. I don't know what experience you have abroad, but I will gladly hold my credentials in this area up to scrutiny any day of the week.

Then you should understand when I say for some it's not as easy as "Grabbing berries". Many people starve. It's a fact. if you deny that than the only other word I have for you is Denial.There are 1 Billion estimated in this world who are starving, and unfortunate in their situation. By not helping these people you may as well have put them into a room and watched them as they got weaker and weaker (Along with all your buddies) , rather than fixing the problems that surround them. Being part of the solution, it's something that most americans just go hahah about, but we're guilty of these people's deaths. Because our over-inflated cow of a country uses so many resources and indulges needlessly.Mr. Moore stole things from people who were well off, he's hardly done horrible things in this world. Worse happens every, single, day.

Then you should understand when I say for some it's not as easy as "Grabbing berries". Many people starve. It's a fact. if you deny that than the only other word I have for you is Denial.

No, that comment was in response to your hypothetical presidency and taxes, which I would assume (given your location listed) as being here in the U.S.

My comment was of a joking manner mostly, as was geofs (or that's how I interpreted it anyway, I don't want to lead anyone to do anything).

No, that comment was in response to your hypothetical presidency and taxes, which I would assume (given your location listed) as being here in the U.S.

Not as big of a deal to you perhaps, but I suspect many of the victims of his thievery disagree. I haven't seen this person's actions compared to economic collapse. I am seeing his actions, and him, labled as horrible. You claim the victims of his thievery can easily afford to move forward without much financial impact, but we have seen the same allegations about piracy. If I were to suggest that piracy does not hurt your bottom line, I suspect you would disagree. I have been the victim of burglary, and it most certainly is not always easy to move forward, not even to those well insured as I was/am. It's not all about money either. Those crimes take a lot more than your posessions. I've yet to have my piece of mind replaced. That is indeed a big deal.

When I see the same people who can afford to purchase a $500,000 aircraft calling for the heads of Wall Street, calling for the heads of health insurance companies... calling for the heads of oil companies... all of which have now had a far greater negative impact upon our way of life than this kid... then, and only then will I offer any form of simpathy.Until then, I will assume that this kid's actions had a far lesser impact on them than all of the other things combined.This kid is in no way that big a deal. And this rush to treat him as if he's the 21st century's biggest criminal is patently absurd.

My comment was of a joking manner mostly, as was geofs (or that's how I interpreted it anyway, I don't want to lead anyone to do anything).

Yes, I understand that, as was mine. I'm well aware that the masses aren't going to be eating berries and drinking from streams. You'd have to rip the Big Mac out of my dead hands.