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This is just meant as a detour. If people want to complain about the rule, here ya go. At least this way there will only be one topic that should be deleted rather than several posts,,, a time saver no doubt.

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I do not wish to complain about the rule, its their board and obviously their rules apply. However, I do wish to express my opinion about people taking it into their own hands to play the moderator role. This is not something normal forum users should do and it is bound to cause friction between forum users like you and me. There's a reason why they appoint moderators, probably for the same reason why the government wont let everybody be the policeman and take matters into their own hands, vigilante style. Leave the moderating to the moderator crew, and if there's a post that is breaking the rules and you feel strongly about it then I recommend using the report post feature. Thats what the report post feature is designed for

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wims, in that case when You see drunk man beating girl on street You do nothing, right? "Hey that's police work, what do I care..." Ok, it is stupid example I know, but anyone has right to kindly ask for putting signature if tis is forum rule, and You don't have to be moderator to expect and ask for order.

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I do not wish to complain about the rule, its their board and obviously their rules apply. However, I do wish to express my opinion about people taking it into their own hands to play the moderator role. This is not something normal forum users should do and it is bound to cause friction between forum users like you and me. There's a reason why they appoint moderators, probably for the same reason why the government wont let everybody be the policeman and take matters into their own hands, vigilante style. Leave the moderating to the moderator crew, and if there's a post that is breaking the rules and you feel strongly about it then I recommend using the report post feature. Thats what the report post feature is designed for
I don't know about you, but if I am accidently breaking a rule I would like to have someone warn me before my post gets deleted and/or I am banned. And when people are obviously breaking the rule on purpose (such as you are) then it makes no difference whether they are stopped by a moderator or a normal player. Its the "rule breaking" part that matters.Also, breaking a rule just because you agree with it doesn't mean your not breaking it. If you don't want to post your name here, don't post here. Its that simple. Its not like people can say "I think marijuana should be legal" and go smoke it and not get arrested.-Greg Hetherington

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Gents-In our opinion, the beauty of what makes this forum effective is that everyone looks after one another.That means answering questions for others when you know the answer- and it also means politely pointing new participants toward the norms and the requirements of participating here.The goal is that everyone should treat one another with respect and dignity. For those who can't: well... the moderators have the power to make them non-persons in the old Orwellian style. Just ask...oh....wait...Ryan already did away with him... I'll find another example.

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I don't know about you, but if I am accidently breaking a rule I would like to have someone warn me before my post gets deleted and/or I am banned.-Greg Hetherington
This is the main reason I actually started reminding people. I think forums are pretty funny, being that the normal residence of the forums can really cut someone down for nothing more than missing something. I think it's pretty pathetic and glad things are different here. I myself had to be reminded several times years ago by D.D.The rule states all posts, but I normally just say it to the topic starter to avoid the topic being locked or deleted. I honestly hate the arguing over it and love the rule since if you've been around this forum long enough, it really adds more to it than takes away. I think it's much more personable to read "Hi Dan" and type things like "Hi Greg" rather than Hi battlestartgalaticafan0008293, haha.It makes things more personable.I will continue to help others and give them friendly reminders. I do agree with what others have brought up that it would be nice if it was enforced more since certain individuals with over 7000+ posts still refuse to do it. That of course is a mod thing and I stay out of it, but will not stop being friendly and helping others.Edit: You type much faster than me Robert!

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wims, in that case when You see drunk man beating girl on street You do nothing, right? "Hey that's police work, what do I care..." Ok, it is stupid example I know, but anyone has right to kindly ask for putting signature if tis is forum rule, and You don't have to be moderator to expect and ask for order.
As far as the whole checking for illegal copies go I prefer the tech forums where you have to register your product so you at least know the person your helping hasn't downloaded the program off piratebay. As far as I'm aware thats not possible on Avsim.It is polite to use your real name when posting and I'm glad I know a lot of the guy's here on a first name basis but I don't think it should be forced on anyone. I dont really have a problem with it but I can search my own name on Google and it brings some of my old Avsim posts which is a little worrying.If I ask someone to sign there post it's only because I dont want to see the post get deleted, especially if it's a good topic.well it's not a democracy and not like where posting credit card details on here...

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I dont really have a problem with it but I can search my own name on Google and it brings some of my old Avsim posts which is a little worrying.
That's exactly the issue with this policy. You never know (nor you can imagine) reasons why an individual prefers to hide in global communities like the Internet. Even in honest and noncritical areas like flightsimming there might be good and understandable reasons for doing so. Imagine R/W pilots who love flightsimming but don't want to be recognized by their corporate fellows? Not the ideal example I know, but ... Not to mention divorced former husbands, work seekers and so on ...Data privacy is for sure not a "nice to have" these days but something we should appreciate and support. Even "old" public media like journalism, TV etc had always been defining ways to protect individuality - why should it be different in Internet forums?Don't get me wrong, I fully agree with asking for registration to check proper licensing etc; it's a proper way to protect investment against SW piracy and something we should appreciate.But to sign a reply with a "real" name which can easily be faked as described above looks a bit like a mid-term solution which hasn't been brought to the end.Forum contributions (particularly the good ones) are characterized by content, not by real-world signatures. IMHO.Kind Regards,Torstenps: with regards to the potentially cryptic login names ... Dan, I still recognize you much better as Turbine777 :-)

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When you purchased your PMDG product from their website, you are in their database. A faked alias will not get support.

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What if you purchased from a Brick and Mortar store? Or if your wife bought it to you as a present? Or what if you dont own any PMDG products, but are only here to see the progress of the 737ngx which you are planning to buy in the future? I always thought the name policy was to increase the intimacy of the forum, especially here in the general PMDG forum, which doesnt really support any specific product

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When you purchased your PMDG product from their website, you are in their database. A faked alias will not get support.
Hi Alex,I was just referring to the topic: named signing rules.BestTorsten

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I am no fan of the full name policy, since I use my alias on several messageboards with varying topics. I have no problem with giving my first name,but I don't want anyone to be able connecting too many dots. I value my internet privacy.Karsten

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I think people freak out about their name way more than they should. Normally these same people have a wide open Myspace, Twitter, Facespace, you name it. I think most people don't really believe half their own BS but rather use it as what they can temporarily lean on.

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I think people freak out about their name way more than they should. Normally these same people have a wide open Myspace, Twitter, Facespace, you name it. I think most people don't really believe half their own BS but rather use it as what they can temporarily lean on.
The funny this is that as long as you don't have some really really uncommon name a quick google search can find a lot of other people with your same name. Apparently I'm also a football player from Canada. Big%20Grin.gifAlso, I don't completely agree with the full name rules or anything, but since I post here, I do it. The people who just put their first name or none at all are simply being rebellious in my mind. I also don't think that its a coincidence that people that don't post their name tend to have worse attitudes than those that do. It seems to help keep things civil if people actually some vague idea of who you are. -Greg Hetherington

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Neither am I. But being part of this community is not a must, and when You decide to be part of any community You should stick to it's rules.

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... and when You decide to be part of any community You should stick to it's rules.
There it is

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If The Management (and Dan) would like to know why I sign as I do, I can supply a powerpoint presentation on why. It's not a paranoia, it's a defence security thing. I'm sure you will understand. Hell, I'll even supply my surname in a PM, but here in an open forum, sorry I can't and won't.Cheers, Chris D

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As a complete aside, (Let me reiterate that I have no qualms or comments about the name signing rule), it has been noted in the past and in other message boards that you name - just your name and the city you live in - is enough to find detailed information about you in most cases. The devs from the online game "WoW" recently asked the internet community to find info about them from just the names of several new or unknown employees - within an hour information about past wives, past addresses, attended schools, even the worth of some of their houses were being posted.In light of that, I even went ahead and googled my parent's names - just their names and the city I'm in - and found my address. I even found information on when my house was built. :( (And no, I've never touched myspace/facebook/etc). While I don't intend to distill fear or say anything other than an interesting perspective on the rule, I thought it was an interesting factoid to put out here.(Though to be honest, anyone with a PPL is also listed on the FAA's website with all pertinent information available)

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If The Management (and Dan) would like to know why I sign as I do, I can supply a powerpoint presentation on why. It's not a paranoia, it's a defence security thing. I'm sure you will understand. Hell, I'll even supply my surname in a PM, but here in an open forum, sorry I can't and won't.Cheers, Chris D
Then your making a decision that goes against the rules and should have your posts deleted. I mean seriously, people like you could just make up a fake name and live happily ever after until you need support that is, then you could just PM a Moderator and speak your case, but why do that? Yes that in itself is wrong to do, but it's a whole lot better than just posting the way some do saying "Hi folks, I disagree etc... signed one name"Is that meant to show standing up for ones rights or something? To me it screams "Hey look at me, I'm an individual" and to me it makes no sense. I disagree with countless things in my life but despite what you see here in forums and right now, I blend in rather good and don't make waves and cause any uneccassary attention to myself. It reminds me of people that chain themselves to trees just for publicity, haha seriously it really does.I also am not going to say whether I agree with the rule or not. I think in some way that in itself is wrong, but that's just me. To me it is disrespectful and doesn't matter and has absolutely nothing to do with anything. Is that suppose to say I want everyone to like me so, yeah my full name is below, but hey guys, don't hate me for it because I'm cool too and on your side? :( It's not about sides, it's about not being difficult or a trouble maker.If people don't want to sign a full name, great, don't, no ones stopping you, but knowing it's a rule? Well then you shouldn't post anything.I don't mean to sound like I'm attacking you, I'm really not, merely going into example and starting to ramble is all (haha, getting a little heated,,, lack of sleep will do that I suppose). I respect everyone and of course their privacy. I don't however agree with the decision to go against the current when the water isn't yours.

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Well Dan, as I am a genuine customer (as I said previously, I'm more then happy to supply my surname and order numbers and email address to The Management), I'm also entitled to support. If you search for my previous posts, you'll see that like yourself, my posts are generally providing support to others.And as you have no more rights than myself on this forum (whilst you are easily the most prolific poster on here, and pretty close on the entire AVSIM forums, you are still a 'mere' customer), I'll take my advise from The Management and not from yourself. I appreciate your help to others on this forum, but you're not an employee of PMDG.Sorry Dan, but my job comes before your ego. And anyone else on this forum with defence contractor experience (and I know I'm not the only only one) will also understand where I'm coming from. If you're interested, in some of my earlier posts I did sign my full name, and have the caution from my security officer to prove it. :( Regards, Chris D

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Sorry Dan, but my job comes before your ego. And anyone else on this forum with defence contractor experience (and I know I'm not the only only one) will also understand where I'm coming from. If you're interested, in some of my earlier posts I did sign my full name, and have the caution from my security officer to prove it. :( Regards, Chris D
You miss the point. I wish you really knew me, I really do, I have zero ego. Not to sound sarcastic but I don't care if you're a defence contractor or a burger flipper it has nothing to do with anything. Nice of you to point that all out though, because if I was or someone else is out to steal your identity, you making sure to keep pointing out how classified your name should be will probably have people looking for those posts you mentioned where you signed your full name :( Hurry up! Find them and PM a mod to delete them! It's a case of national security after all, hahahaha.As for working for PMDG? I would turn them down if I were unemployed and homeless to tell you the truth. Last thing I would want is to be a moderator and have to hold back from voicing my opinion :(

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******* Christ, I was trying to explain my reasons to you. If you think I'm trying to big note myself, go get knotted. And as an 'ex-army ranger', I thought you'd get it. **.Sorry in advance, mods.Regards, Chris D

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Chris, I apologise. Seriously I do.I was trying to make light of the situation and be funny, but I guess I did that at your expense, and it was the wrong thing to do. I am no different than any other man on this earth, that is fact numero uno. I applaud anyones efforts that (ever) go out of their way to help a stranger, there is nothing anyone could ever say bad about that. Just like I missed your point I think you may have missed mine. To say I don't have an ego really isn't true, of course I do to a point I guess. I make mistakes like everyone else and in no way EVER think I'm better than anyone.One thing I honestly hate, or should say that makes me uncomfortable, is when someone praises a post I made or says "Dans the man" or anything like that because for one I don't do it for that reason and two hate the way I know that may make someone else feel. Sometimes I get lucky and come up with the right answer, that may be because if theres a bug in a program to have, I will be the one to most likely get it first. I'm glad I can help, as I am sure you are too. I spend more time on here than some but doesn't mean my help is any different than anyone elses that answers once a week or month.One thing I've tried to do several times is to remind others theres a person behind their screen name and someone that has much better things to do with their time than read through countless posts. If someone misses the rules, people should remain courteous when (and if) pointing it out to them. Most people don't go out of their way to miss a post that answers their questions, or break a rule for that matter, then again, some do. There are many here that flaunt it actually. Every now and then I will say something to them, but for the most part ignore it believe it or not. I know my place or at least I try to always keep that fresh. This brings me to my next point.I've done support for a good part of my life up to my last job where I was system administrator for 300+ companies (tied to my old company, not my own). BUT, more so I have had to be supported for anything from my cable service to my cell phone to my FSX addons. I have worked with hundreds of people that have gone out of there way to be a jerk to someone just because they didn't want the call, or in forums you see this as someone seeing a duplicate post and making it their responcibility to answer them even when they're just ganna go for their throat. There are a ton of developers in the FS arena that are worst than any other company representitive that I have ever seen in my life. Some of the things these people say to their customer base litterally drops my jaw to the floor. If I thought PMDG wouldn't delete it I would start a topic just for voicing frustrations and examples of this. I have been told to RTFM by devs and mods, talked at IN ALL CAPS by devs/mods just because my question was somewhere in their forum and they already answered it, etc... etc... The golden rule I try my best to adhere to is treat people like you want to be treated. This forum seems to be different than any other. I have about 100 logins in forums, most having nothing to do with FS. I truly believe it is the name thing that helps people stay down to earth. If it was just to sign first names I bet my life you would then see discussions about that, there is no doubt (sorry I realize I'm starting to ramble again, but have nothing else to do at the moment so here comes some more).Developers and moderators need to take vacations from the forum, as do many of us. I'm no different and most days at one point or the other need to calm myself down like I'm doing right now. In my posts above I was trying to get to a point. I saw that it started to look like I was attacking you personally and mentioned that it wasn't what I was really trying to do. It wasn't. Just like I stated above people (and me to, I'm a people :() can be focused on a point, their point, and things can go south. Sometimes I too read words and see it as just words, and react and comment based on the actual arguement or debate at hand, and if you new me in real life, boy do I love a good debate. It's hard not to get into that type of tunnel vision for mods, devs and us. This isn't a matter of me needing a break from the forums, but just a topic I deal with and have dealt with for eons.Being in support and needing the customers to provide certain things, or even dealing with my family and teaching them computers the #1 topic (especially lately) has been identity theft or my mother won't use her credit card on line or whatever the case may be. Me and my sister actually got into a pretty heated debate just 2 days ago because of something very similar. My point? I guess I too am just burnt out on this topic and am allowing everything I have already told others (in real life) as well as here in the forums to fall on one individual to take all the heat. I got an email from my mother a couple weeks ago about putting microchips in babies, haha. I get forwards from her on a daily basis about how unsafe things are, from identities to tampons having aspestos,,, you know the types I'm sure when someone just starts learning the computer and starts dwelling on all the crap out their on the net.Ok, this is what eating paint chips as a kid does to you I guess (just proof read and the point is nowhere in site :( )... Time to close.I am no different or any better than anyone here or out there and don't mean to come across that way, again I'm sorry. There just doesn't need to be so much hype about names. There's no need for it. I know there are nut cases out there, heck I think quite often that I am one myself. My name is there for the whole world to see, I'm on Myspace, facespace, never found time for twitter and don't care for any of them any more, but I'm out there, my profile open to EVERYONE. My email address is in my profile here and on all my websites. Please (not you Chris) STEAL my identity, if your a nut job, come kill me (again not you Chris). Believe it or not, despite popular belief, I try not to sweat the small stuff, and to me "the small stuff" includes this name game we all seem to be involved with now.Perhaps some people just like a good debate. I actually will take the opposite side many times in a debate just to help bring out valid points on both ends, maybe that's what some are doing here, but it doesn't seem that way to me. Everyone has their own beliefs, but again, this isn't the place for that. If I were at your house I would follow your rules and vice versa. It really is no different than that in my eyes. So, I welcome anyone to steal my name, track me down, hunt me stalk me (That would be cool, I think), or do whatever they want, just be sure to bring bagged lunches and lanterns cuz it's ganna take all night :wink:Woohoo done! Finished before it got locked!!!,,, although now I realize I should have made my point a bit earlier.

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Chris, I apologise. Seriously I do.BRB with more on this...
Apology accepted. And you're right, I have PMed the mods and will gracefully refrain from posting in here anymore.Regards, Chris D

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