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Will PMDG enable me to buy and install the FSX 737?

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FSX is installed on my best and fastest computer. As I did not want to get into internet-related security-problems with it, it is also the computer, which is NOT connected to the internet. My internet-PC stands twenty centimeters left of my FSX-computer. Yet I could not buy the PMDG MD-11 via internet-download as PMDG chose not to program a software for its shop which enables the user to transfer the licence from an internet-connected PC to a non-internet-connected PC (other software companies have done this for years now). So...will I be able to actually buy the FSX-737 when it is released or will PMDG again prevent customers like me from buying it? As far as I have seen on the Aerosoft-website, nowadays EVEN the boxed PMDG-products like the Jetstream 4100 need an ACTIVE internet-connection on the VERY PC on which the add-on will be used??? :( :( Richard Ebach

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Richard,1. No, the NGX will require an Internet connection on the machine to install just like all our other products. (that includes the boxed version)2. 99% of security online is just being smart about things. Don't run email attachments that look suspicious, make sure you have a good anti-malware program (Microsoft makes a very good free one here - http://www.microsoft...ity_essentials/ ), and make sure you install Windows Updates and patches to software like Adobe Flash, your browser, etc regularly. I can't imagine not having internet on my FS PC - I use it while flying all the time for weather, charts, etc, not to mention actually flying online. There's really nothing to be worried about if you do those things I mentioned - you're not going to get infected with malware just from having an internet connection on the PC - it doesn't work like that.

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Actually, you could in fact get infected by just being online, it has happened to me once. I got a worm while downloading the security updates to XP way back in the days. I dont think its quite as common these days tho, especially if you have modern os installed and download the updates right away, then getting antivirus.

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Actually, you could in fact get infected by just being online, it has happened to me once. I got a worm while downloading the security updates to XP way back in the days. I dont think its quite as common these days tho, especially if you have modern os installed and download the updates right away, then getting antivirus.
That was a very specific thing with unpatched versions of XP - there's nothing at all like that for XP SP2+ or Vista/7. It won't ever happen regardless if you have something like MSSE installed anyway.

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Richard,1. No, the NGX will require an Internet connection on the machine to install just like all our other products. (that includes the boxed version)
O.K. Many thanks for the information though I really don´t know WHY you do it this way. All your other products? Well, I have your 747 and MD-11 boxed and they did NOT require an internet connection on the game-PC. For me it´s not ONLY a safety issue but I do like to separate my everyday-video editing-and-online-PC-work from my "game" high end machine, so that I can keep it "clean" and fast without even having to use an antivirus-program or having to defragment it regularly...seems I will have to use my MD-11 or 767 for short-haul flights in the foreseeable future... :( Richard

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Hi so how do u update ur planes to sp etc if ur not connected to the net and any other updates in fact?

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Hi so how do u update ur planes to sp etc if ur not connected to the net and any other updates in fact?
That´s easy: via the net! That´s easy because "I" am connected to the net - just not my second "FSX"-PC! So I can update everything: Windows 7, Word, Excel and ALL other programs. It´s also no problem to install virtually every other payware FSX-aircraft, scenery and generally ALL other programs. All companies allow to transfer the licence-file from the internet-PC to the non-internet-PC...well, all, with ONE LONESOME exception - and that´s PMDG (unfortunately)... :( Richard

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O.K. Many thanks for the information though I really don´t know WHY you do it this way. All your other products? Well, I have your 747 and MD-11 boxed and they did NOT require an internet connection on the game-PC. For me it´s not ONLY a safety issue but I do like to separate my everyday-video editing-and-online-PC-work from my "game" high end machine, so that I can keep it "clean" and fast without even having to use an antivirus-program or having to defragment it regularly...seems I will have to use my MD-11 or 767 for short-haul flights in the foreseeable future... :( Richard
You can always connect briefly just for product activation. I don't really think that connecting for say 5 mins will get you into any trouble. As regards antivirus programs I agree that they can be pretty heavy, however you can also opt to deactivate them before you load FS. At least mine has a "game option" that pretty much idles the software so it doesn't need system resources and doesn't block real time weather loading (I use Active Sky Advanced)...Of course it's your call, but I think that the risk of getting infected after using the net just for activating PMDG planes is so low that it really does not worth not being able to enjoy some of the best add-ons ever created for FS.

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C'mon Richard, there're tons of programs that require direct access to internet to be activated, PMDG is not some lonesome exception.

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You can always connect briefly just for product activation. I don't really think that connecting for say 5 mins will get you into any trouble.
I´m quite confident that 5 minutes internet would not get me into any virus-troubles BUT the problem with your solution is that I would have to take my Network connection card out of PC 1 and install it into PC2, which would require me to transport both PC´s into another room (I don´t have enough space at the place where both stand to open them there and change the cards). After installation I would have to do the same thing again to change them back. Plus I don´t like to fiddle inside my computers (I´m no tech-freak).Solution B would be to de-activate network-card A with my internet-provider and activate network-card B there. Afterwards the same vice-versa. If you knew my internet-provider you would agree with me that this is not a very good solution. :( However I DO HAVE a backup of my complete FSX-PC-system on an external harddisk. I wonder if it would be possible to activate it over this external harddisk when connected to my internet-PC or if this simply would not work or even be against PMDG´s protection-intentions??????? I have no idea how their internet-shop and activation system works...
C'mon Richard, there're tons of programs that require direct access to internet to be activated, PMDG is not some lonesome exception.
Well, maybe I should have said that all programs I KNOW of or that I use do NOT need any direct internet-access (and I even bought a train plus a subway-simulator recently)! :( Richard

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Last, maybe a little stupid solution from me: buy cheapest router, it should be around 15$ smile.gif

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3 solutions - 1. Buy a second NIC (only a few pounds) for your non-internet computer. 2. Plug a network cable in, activate it, pull the cable out, job done. 2 minute job, and you are set. 3. Dont buy the plane.Seriously, though if you a behind a router / hardware firewall that NAT's your IP address (simple explanation HERE, then nothing nasty can get in from the internet. The only thing you would have to worry about is software (being cracked programs, keygens, viruses, whatever) talking out so the firewall would let the reply 'packet' back in.For the sake of a few pounds, just get a network card... Even a USB one if you are that worried about it. And yes, restoring a backup to a different will break PMDG, and also windows activation. Im assuming all your software is clean and legit, so you will not have a problem.Unfortunately, due to cheap people pirating software, developers have to protect their software as we all know, and this is fair. So if someone doesnt like the fact that they have to plug a cable in, then it wouldnt be fair to assume that PMDG are gonna change the activation policy just for that. Refer to point 3 above! :-)I am not trying to sound sarcastic or harsh in any way at all - just trying to get a point across, and also reassure you that its not gonna hurt your computer. :-)

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I´m quite confident that 5 minutes internet would not get me into any virus-troubles BUT the problem with your solution is that I would have to take my Network connection card out of PC 1 and install it into PC2, which would require me to transport both PC´s into another room (I don´t have enough space at the place where both stand to open them there and change the cards). After installation I would have to do the same thing again to change them back. Plus I don´t like to fiddle inside my computers (I´m no tech-freak).
Hi Richard,Doesn't your FSX PC have a motherboard with a BUILT-IN network card on it? Many motherboards, in fact most of them, have this now, and they also have built in audio as an aside... I use Norton Internet Security 2010 and have used the newly designed Nortons since 2009. They have many options which you can turn off and also have full-screen program detection mode and I have found it to be highly effective in stopping malware and internet intrusions, even when surfing new websites that I've never been to. Norton, by the way, has the LOWEST performance impact of any security suite out there now, and has the best spyware and other malware detection percentage... Check PC Magazine reviews for proof if you like. Also, Norton Anti-virus with Anti-spyware has a gamer edition I believe, which has a much lesser performance impact...So don't worry about the internet. One thing I WOULD do (and which you are probably already doing) is not to install any other games on that FSX PC or any other programs which can conflict with FSX and its driver requirements).Have fun!Can Agbaba (John)

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Last, maybe a little stupid solution from me: buy cheapest router, it should be around 15$ smile.gif
As far as I know this would be illegal with my internet provider...Richard

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3 solutions - 1. Buy a second NIC (only a few pounds) for your non-internet computer. 2. Plug a network cable in, activate it, pull the cable out, job done. 2 minute job, and you are set. 3. Dont buy the plane.Seriously, though if you a behind a router / hardware firewall that NAT's your IP address (simple explanation HERE, then nothing nasty can get in from the internet.
Wow, if this is the simple explanation, how many pages takes the "complete" explanation? :( My second PC HAS a Network Interface Card, but it is extremly tedious with my internet provider to activate the new card while deactivating the old one - which can take hours, if it works at all (and after a few minutes of using the new card I would have to reverse the whole process).
The only thing you would have to worry about is software (being cracked programs, keygens, viruses, whatever) talking out so the firewall would let the reply 'packet' back in.For the sake of a few pounds, just get a network card... Even a USB one if you are that worried about it. And yes, restoring a backup to a different will break PMDG, and also windows activation. Im assuming all your software is clean and legit, so you will not have a problem.
I don´t use any cracked software.
Unfortunately, due to cheap people pirating software, developers have to protect their software as we all know, and this is fair. So if someone doesnt like the fact that they have to plug a cable in, then it wouldnt be fair to assume that PMDG are gonna change the activation policy just for that. Refer to point 3 above! :-)
I can understand the need to protect software, unfortunately the way this is handled nowadays punishes the honest customer while at the same time favouring the dishonest user who gets some cracked software which does NOT need any activation and so gives less problems than the original software. That´s crazy!
I am not trying to sound sarcastic or harsh in any way at all - just trying to get a point across, and also reassure you that its not gonna hurt your computer. :-)
Don´t promise such things! :( My computer has once been hurt even by Windows-update itself (maybe in conjunction with my anti-virus-software), which ended in speaking to (and trying to reach) the Dell-support, which took a whole afternoon and ended up by restoring my PC from the external harddisk as all other attempts failed... :( Richard

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Hi Richard,Doesn't your FSX PC have a motherboard with a BUILT-IN network card on it? Many motherboards, in fact most of them, have this now, and they also have built in audio as an aside... I use Norton Internet Security 2010 and have used the newly designed Nortons since 2009. They have many options which you can turn off and also have full-screen program detection mode and I have found it to be highly effective in stopping malware and internet intrusions, even when surfing new websites that I've never been to. Norton, by the way, has the LOWEST performance impact of any security suite out there now, and has the best spyware and other malware detection percentage... Check PC Magazine reviews for proof if you like.
Yes, I use Norton Internet Security 2011. Regarding "best spyware and other malware detection percentage": well, that depends on the magazine you read. :( If you read just ONE review you think you know which anti-virus-programme is the best. If you read ten reviews you most probably will get ten different results! LOL.gif But I agree that the new Norton-versions have a much lower performance impact than the older versions which were terrible in this respect.Richard

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As far as I know this would be illegal with my internet provider...Richard
OK, another "the last stupid sugestion", You can try software like THIS, to set MAC address on your second PC's network interface. It's harmless to your hardware and should legally "fool" your ISP, legally because only one PC at a time will be connected to the internet.

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OK, another "the last stupid sugestion", You can try software like THIS, to set MAC address on your second PC's network interface. It's harmless to your hardware and should legally "fool" your ISP, legally because only one PC at a time will be connected to the internet.
Ah...at least that SOUNDS good to me! Many thanks for this suggestion. I will download and try it and see if it works O.K. Might be the solution to my problem at last...PLUS I have lots of time to test it as we don´t know when the 737 will be released anyway yet.Richard

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ISPs that don't allow the use of a home router and motherboards without an integrated NIC? What is this, 1996 in this thread? Cry.gifIt's been seriously 10+ years since I had a system that didn't have an integrated NIC on the mobo.Also - Norton Internet Security is going to massively slow your PC down - it's bloatware. (along with most of them like McAfee, Kaspersky etc) The Microsoft product I recommended is extremely lightweight and won't do that.

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Also - Norton Internet Security is going to massively slow your PC down - it's bloatware. (along with most of them like McAfee, Kaspersky etc) The Microsoft product I recommended is extremely lightweight and won't do that.
Not anymore, they have optimized it some 2 years ago, now it installs in 45 seconds (Norton360 which I use), performs background scans when PC is "idle" etc, so I can hardly notice it's existence. Earlier it was nightmare I admit!!

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Coming from someone who teaches Security+, I'm going to support the comments of those above who say you have little to worry about in terms of being connected to the internet. First, it is extremely rare that someone is going to target you. They prefer high-value, high-bandwidth targets. Your home computer will not satisfy that. Second, as long as your computer is patched and up to date (normally requires being connected to the internet), you have even less to worry about. Third, utilizing best practices mentioned above (not opening attachments, using NAT, etc) will make you even more secure. It's all about being smart.To be honest, everyone thinks that the internet is some crazy, dangerous place where hackers are rampant, super smart and have massive computers to crack everything. That notion is wrong. Hackers very seldom go right at hacking into things with brute force. Generally, the first (and as far as most people are concerned: the easiest) thing they attack is the human element. It is the weakest link in the security chain. Social engineering is oft used, and the reason just about everything that requires a password has some notification that says "We will never ask for your password through email."Here's a short and simple list of things to lock your computer down to a reasonable level (note Step 3):http://www.vtnet.vt.edu/lockitdown/vtsecuritynew.html

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We use Norton at work and I agree with Ryan. Relative to other available solutions, it is bloatware. I like ESet as an alternative. Has grown a bit over the years but still is relatively lite. George

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Yeah I used Eset NOD32 for a long time but MSSE actually scored better in independent testing - no one knows the OS better than Microsoft themselves, plus it's free.

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Norton is almost like a virus in itself due to the resources it hogs.I remember at work I fixed a computer and a few days later he came up to me saying how I got it run so fast, and then all of a sudden now it was slower than ever. My first question was "Did you install Norton perhaps?" "Yes I did", he replied.

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