Well if you're going to claim something that is going against the official announcements and wish to be taken seriously, then you DO need to show me.

With all due respect it has been stated time and time again. It's not something to argue and he was not "going against the official announcements. Spend five minutes browsing the forum, don't paraphrase, and take it for what it is. There will be NO FS9 release as was the case with the JS4100. They decided not to develop for an 8 year old sim. No hard feelings there and no reason to be nasty to others about the decision! Take a deep breath. :( :(

not sure if this is a dead project or not as i haven't seen any updates for a while on this one:http://www.nextlevelsimulations.com/ (airbus 380)--xavier

not sure if this is a dead project or not as i haven't seen any updates for a while on this one:http://www.nextlevelsimulations.com/ (airbus 380)--xavier

Actually that's a newish website (within the past 6 months).

With all due respect it has been stated time and time again. It's not something to argue and he was not "going against the official announcements. Spend five minutes browsing the forum, don't paraphrase, and take it for what it is. There will be NO FS9 release as was the case with the JS4100. They decided not to develop for an 8 year old sim. No hard feelings there and no reason to be nasty to others about the decision! Take a deep breath. :( :(

Nobody is being nasty, but with all due respect to you, you are just wrong. The sticky is there in the PMDG forum for you, and everyone else to read, which states categorically that the decision on the 737 for fs9, although unlikely, has not yet been made. It is all FURTHER products that will not even be considered. I've already linked to it, but for the befifit of those who still haven't read it properly -

1) The future of an FS2004 based 737NG2 is doubtful at best. We will make this decision while the FSX version is in beta testing. While we do not doubt that some of you would be very interested in this product under FS2004, we are less and less certain that such a development cycle would recoup its own costs, especially when compared to the growing strength in FSX sales. One of the most critical factors that we will consider in this decision will be the projected costs in dollars and TIME to product this product in FS2004. I will be candid and tell you that right now, I am not comfortable sustaining FS2004 development- and this is based upon my review of 4Q09 trends and our considerable experience with development of complex add-ons. We will make a decision when the FSX version of this product is in beta testing, as that will allow us to evaluate against data that is current at the decision making time.2) Aside from the 737NG2.0, no other PMDG product announced or in development will be considered for the FS2004 platform. This means that the Dash-8, the 777 and the recently announced 747-8 Extension will be in FSX only. I am sorry if this was not clear in our announcement from Saturday- but this has been stated before in previous discussions, so we thought it was understood

So once again, if either of you can provide some hard evidence to the contrary, such as these definitive decisions from RR, then please provide them here. If any of you can do so then I will glady accept fault. I think however that the case is one of you both drawing your own conclusions based on opinion, and convincing yourselves that it's the truth. Happy to be proven wrong.

Nobody is being nasty, but with all due respect to you, you are just wrong. The sticky is there in the PMDG forum for you, and everyone else to read, which states categorically that the decision on the 737 for fs9, although unlikely, has not yet been made. It is all FURTHER products that will not even be considered. I've already linked to it, but for the befifit of those who still haven't read it properly - So once again, if either of you can provide some hard evidence to the contrary, such as these definitive decisions from RR, then please provide them here. If any of you can do so then I will glady accept fault. I think however that the case is one of you both drawing your own conclusions based on opinion, and convincing yourselves that it's the truth. Happy to be proven wrong.

To me, that announcement, despite being carefully worded so as to not categorically say "no", reads that there is more chance of hell freezing over than this being released for FS9.Judging by the amount of sales considerations quoted, regarding the market trends etc. it sounds very much to me as if although being "considered" the decision is 99.999999% already made.

Actually that's a newish website (within the past 6 months).

NLS has been around for more than a year or two now, IIRC their old website was nextlevel.wepax.com

To me, that announcement, despite being carefully worded so as to not categorically say "no", reads that there is more chance of hell freezing over than this being released for FS9.Judging by the amount of sales considerations quoted, regarding the market trends etc. it sounds very much to me as if although being "considered" the decision is 99.999999% already made.

While I agree (see my original statement), it's not really the point. The two guys are saying that RR has stated at some stage that there is 100% no chance of an fs9 NG. This is not true as far as I know, unless they can back up the claims.

Callum, we have had the patience to enlighten you as to the reality of the situation, if you choose to ignore our conclusions that is entirely up to you. PMDG stated that they made a loss doing the 'MD-11' for FS9, even though they didn't include the many who bought the 'both systems' package in their summing up.There will definitely be a 737NGX for FSX but with all the other aircraft promised afterwards plus possible service packs for the NGX, the chances of them re-coding the NGX for FS9 are just your fantasy. Business, any business thrives on guaranteed sales. That is something that RR is trying, very discreetly to tell you. The fact is we have read between the lines but you, like a dog with a bone, have not.

Haha you've been patient with me?! You're trying to turn the argument around now you've realised you're wrong. Refer to my original statement; I'm quite aware that it's extremely unlikely and said as much. You claimed something else entirely. Be man enough to face up to that.

@clum:It´s like Dave said. Porting planes over from FS9 to FSX is not that difficult but the other way round from FSX to FS9 is very difficult due to the fact that FSX uses another moadel system as FS9. In FS9 the whole model is in one bgl-file (You should have noticed that is you take simming serious.) whereas in FSX there are two file (an exterior and an interior file), so that the portover isn´t easy. They would have to develope a whole new model for FS9 and that is very time consuming.Another point is that PMDG doesn´t develope new planes just because they are friendly and avaiation interested guys (sure they are) but that is not their only reason. They want, as every company in a capitalistic economy, earn some money with it. So they would have just too much inverstment in an FS9 model of the NGX and too less profit to be economically. That is how the maket works. And when you think, just because it is PMDG, they do it in a different way ( profit???- Huh, WE don´t care?) you live in the fasle economy. Then go to the communists, they don´t care about profit, the do something just because they need it but you´ll maybe find no FS there.

Why are you taking this way off topic? Have you actually read anything in the post so far? Once again, there's no argument about PMDG's decision on fs9 and future products, peoples opinions of that decision or anything like that; I think we all agree here. The issue is that two people are claiming that PMDG have made a concrete decision to not make an NGX for fs9, which however likely, is not true. Opinions aside, that is the only fact here.I realise that this thread has already been de-railed somewhat already, but let's not take it further off track by turning this into yet another endless discussion about peoples opinions on PMDG and their future with fs9.Apologies to those reading for sounding like I'm getting a little miffed, but by this stage it's quite frustrating that people are throwing their, in this case incorrect opinions around as fact, then take things off on a tangent, trying to back me into a corner when I present evidence to the contrary.

Why are you taking this way off topic? Have you actually read anything in the post so far? Once again, there's no argument about PMDG's decision on fs9 and future products, peoples opinions of that decision or anything like that; I think we all agree here. The issue is that two people are claiming that PMDG have made a concrete decision to not make an NGX for fs9, which however likely, is not true. Opinions aside, that is the only fact here.I realise that this thread has already been de-railed somewhat already, but let's not take it further off track by turning this into yet another endless discussion about peoples opinions on PMDG and their future with fs9.Apologies to those reading for sounding like I'm getting a little miffed, but by this stage it's quite frustrating that people are throwing their, in this case incorrect opinions around as fact, then take things off on a tangent, trying to back me into a corner when I present evidence to the contrary.

Funny thread ;) Clum as others have mentioned the chance of a new PMDG 737 for FS9 is pretty much Zero trust me. Could they make a new 737 for FS9? I guess it's possible if they can make a big enough profit.. it's also quite posible that by the end of the day a random stranger will deposit 2 billion into my bank account...BTW lets hope PMDG don't make a NGX for FS9 since no such aircraft exists ;)

Why are you taking this way off topic? Have you actually read anything in the post so far? Once again, there's no argument about PMDG's decision on fs9 and future products, peoples opinions of that decision or anything like that; I think we all agree here. The issue is that two people are claiming that PMDG have made a concrete decision to not make an NGX for fs9, which however likely, is not true. Opinions aside, that is the only fact here.I realise that this thread has already been de-railed somewhat already, but let's not take it further off track by turning this into yet another endless discussion about peoples opinions on PMDG and their future with fs9.Apologies to those reading for sounding like I'm getting a little miffed, but by this stage it's quite frustrating that people are throwing their, in this case incorrect opinions around as fact, then take things off on a tangent, trying to back me into a corner when I present evidence to the contrary.

Clum why don't you do this, go on PMDG's forum and post a thread asking about an FS9 release. We'll all be watching to see the responses you get. :( Try not to get banned in the process... :(

Good god can any of you who are replying actually read?! Utterly incorrigible it seems. Let's just break this down into bite sized chunks so maybe you can get your heads around it shall we...1) There is NO argument about a release being extremely unlikely. I agree with all of you, it's almost certain not to happen. However at no point have I tried to imply or discuss otherwise and this isn't what the argument is about at all. This is something that some of you have since created by not reading the posts properly!2) I merely stated that the OFFICIAL word from PMDG is still one of there being no firm decision on the fate of an fs9 NGX. This is still fact despite several of you who seem to know better than PMDG themselves. Again, see the pinned post that I have linked to.3) I have been told by two members that the above point is incorrect and that Robert Randazzo has made an official announcement to the contrary and that there will certainly be no fs9 737. They are unable to substantiate their claims. I have defended and proven mine.I'll refer you to the original statement I made that started all of this nonsense-

Oh and don't forget that although highly unlikely, PMDG still aren't officially out the game with the NGX for fs9 just yet.

That is all I said. No discussion on the mechanics of their decision and my feelings towards it, simply that the official stance of PMDG is one of being undecided. That is fact and nobody but PMDG can alter that.It blows my mind how allegedly intelligent simmers can completely warp the topic at hand and go on the offensive like this. The arrogance blows my mind. Try actually reading what has been said in posts before loading up your keyboards and pointing them in my direction please.

Clum why don't you do this, go on PMDG's forum and post a thread asking about an FS9 release. We'll all be watching to see the responses you get. :( Try not to get banned in the process... :(

isn't that's a guarantee in a sense? there was someone developing a beech starship somewhere as well (Archangel productions i think??) but i cant remember if its for fs9 or fsxplus wilco's new "guess and win" is there as well lol