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ProFlight Emulator questions

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Sorry for all my questions, but I think the manual is really vague. It explains the function of the buttons but not how to use it in practice.About SID/STAR. When I import my FP from EHAM->EGLL I can select EGLL STAR but not EHAM SIDs. Why? Why isn't there SIDs available for EHAM? If i enter EGLL in the SID/STAR menu, it doesn't show any STARs, yet they are available. Where does PFE get the EGLL stars from??
Actually the manual is quite clear. You just need to read it with care. As far as SID's/STAR's go. It's "you". You are the one thqat has to decide which of the many sids and stars available to use. As far as EHAM goes. Surely all you have to do is to have a look at the charts for EHAM and select which SID to use depending on your departure rwy. I think you are expecting too much from PFE. I don't believe that any programme exists that lists all SIDs and all STARs for each and every airport.vololiberista

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But i've never entered SID/STARS for EGLL.Btw Airac contains all SID/STARS

John doe

That's exactly what I do, except for changing waypoint altitudes
HelloHere are the steps to get your FP compiled and PFE in sync with the plan you will load into your FMC/GPSincluding the adjusting FP for PF2000 option
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That doens't make sense. Why adjust the FP after you've started PF2000? You load the flightplan in PF2000 so no use adjusting it after you've loaded it?

John doe

Actually the manual is quite clear. You just need to read it with care. As far as SID's/STAR's go. It's "you". You are the one thqat has to decide which of the many sids and stars available to use. As far as EHAM goes. Surely all you have to do is to have a look at the charts for EHAM and select which SID to use depending on your departure rwy. I think you are expecting too much from PFE. I don't believe that any programme exists that lists all SIDs and all STARs for each and every airport.vololiberista
Voxatc gives you the sids and stars you need to use.
That doens't make sense. Why adjust the FP after you've started PF2000? You load the flightplan in PF2000 so no use adjusting it after you've loaded it?
HelloYou do not load the flightplan in PF2000 you only compile it.This adjusted flightplan is then loaded from PFE using the Load new ADV button on the main screenThis way you have the same plan in your FMS/GPS and also in PFE.For an example I have the following WP's in my Fs flightplan generated by FScommander. EGBB ELVOS TNT RODOL MCT ASNIP PENIL BABRA SOPAX RAMOX BAGSO EIDW After selecting this plan in the FS9/FSX FPlan convertor and pressing Convert FS FP to PF2000 I now have a file in C:\Program Files (x86)\PFE\FS2000\Pilots\ called PFE_EGBBEIDW.pln with the exact same WP'sEGBB ELVOS TNT RODOL MCT ASNIP PENIL BABRA SOPAX RAMOX BAGSO EIDW After loading this file into PF2000 and compiling I now have three files inC:\Program Files (x86)\PFE\FS2000\Adv\pf2000 - egbb to eidw.adv 4,234 26/05/2011 22:06pf2000 - egbb to eidw.brf 1,518 26/05/2011 22:06pf2000 - egbb to eidw.gps 64 26/05/2011 22:06The egbb to eidw.gps file contains the following WP'sC:\Program Files (x86)\PFE\FS2000\Adv\EGBBELVOSTNTMCTASNIPBABRASOPAXRAMOXBAGSOEIDWNotice that PENIL has been stripped by PF2000?.Now after selecting Adjust FS FP for PF2000 and selecting the pf2000 - egbb to eidw.gps the following FP is written to your FSX FP folder PFE_EGBBEIDW.pln which contains the following WP's.Notice how the PFE prefix has been added and this flightplan now also has PENIL stripped, your FSX .pln and the PFE ADV are now in syncEGBBELVOSTNTMCTASNIPBABRASOPAXRAMOXBAGSOEIDWThis PFE_EGBBEIDW.pln is the one you load into your FMS/GPS and you load the ADV into PFE using the Select new ADV button.Did you even read the documentation? this is probably why your FMS plan differs from PFE ATC because PF2000 strips WP's that are too close.The adjust FP for PF2000 syncs the FS pln and the plan used by PFE.Hope all that "makes sense"
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Thanks, that's a lot clearer. And yes i checked the manual but it said nothing about the fact that you NEED to adjust, just the fact that you can.THing is, I don't load anything to the FMC, i enter it myself.So I gotta open up the compiled PF2000 FP to check which waypoints it removed, so I can enter those in my FMC? Kinda stupid IMO.

John doe

Thanks, that's a lot clearer. And yes i checked the manual but it said nothing about the fact that you NEED to adjust, just the fact that you can.THing is, I don't load anything to the FMC, i enter it myself.So I gotta open up the compiled PF2000 FP to check which waypoints it removed, so I can enter those in my FMC? Kinda stupid IMO.
Hello No, all you need to do is load the adjusted FPlan in this case PFE_EGBBEIDW.pln into the FSX flightplanner and print the Nav log or even easier call up the kneeboard in FSX with Shift/F10 and the WP's will be there for you to copy into your FMS.

Use PF2000 only for the actual FP compile. PFE is a programme that surrounds PF2000 for which the coding is inaccessible to the developer. That is why it is called Pro Flight "Emulator!"Once your FP has been compiled make as many adjustments to height, SID's STAR's etc in PFE NOT PF2000. You will see that you can also designate rwys for take-off or landing which is necessary for aerodromes such as LHR for example.vololiberista

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Meh, can't get it to work properly at all. It's so buggy. Sometimes pilot says "centre, this is xxx at FL360 for FL160". So I'm like: what? did I miss descent to FL160?I go to FL160 and it says: xxx maintain FL350 (even though cruize alt is 360).Then later at approach this happens:pfex.th.jpgedit: i'm too high altitude because the ATC never cleared me to descend after I was at FL160.......Suddenly it sends me 120 degrees left with no reason. And no I did not select the wrong runway.I once tried following PFEs orders but i'll never land or it'll take +20minutes.Also I check destination ATIS 10min before arrival.. it says rwy 10 then when I get there it's suddenly 24. Finally going around is even worse. It'll send me into the weirdest directions, took so long I just ignored the ATC and landed myself.

John doe

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Btw I'll now try a flight with the adjusted FP loaded into FSX, then'll insert those waypoints into my FMC...

John doe

Btw I'll now try a flight with the adjusted FP loaded into FSX, then'll insert those waypoints into my FMC...
HelloLoad the adjusted flightplan into the FSX planner then either print the navlog or when you are in the cockpit pull up the kneeboard and type the waypoints into your FMS
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HelloLoad the adjusted flightplan into the FSX planner then either print the navlog or when you are in the cockpit pull up the kneeboard and type the waypoints into your FMS
Yes, I just started a flight and did this^. I noticed that the waypoints I entered from the FS kneeboard navlog are sort of the same as the LEGS from my PMDG 747 FMC when I enter the vroute-flight plan. Anyway, I entered the waypoints from the adjusted PFE_TNCC Hato - TNCM Princess Juliana Intl.pln by using the kneeboard.All is currently fine except I get this message (not the first time).pfe2.th.jpgI have no idea why it tells me to go 45 degrees, i'm exactly on the FP. I just ignore the ATC.

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Thanks guys, importing the adjusted flightplan into FSX really helped.I now create the FP with vroute: SINDA UA516 MILOK A516 DANDE. However, the FP vroute creates contains much more waypoints than these 3.I convert and adjust the FP, and import the adjusted FP into FSX. Now if I enter the original route from vroute into my PMDG's 747 FMC (the one with 3 waypoints), it automatically inserts the same waypoints in LEGS as the one I loaded into PFE. Now I just check the legs with the kneeboard/navlog and remove those that PFE deleted!All good now, just had the first flight where the ATC worked as expected. One thing though, when approaching the airport PFE send me towards the correct rwy and says "expect vectors rwy 09". This rwy 09 doens't have ILS. Is it normal that I have to manually line up with the runway? Because I never got any vectors after that.15093774.th.jpg :(

John doe

Thanks guys, importing the adjusted flightplan into FSX really helped.I now create the FP with vroute: SINDA UA516 MILOK A516 DANDE. However, the FP vroute creates contains much more waypoints than these 3.I convert and adjust the FP, and import the adjusted FP into FSX. Now if I enter the original route from vroute into my PMDG's 747 FMC (the one with 3 waypoints), it automatically inserts the same waypoints in LEGS as the one I loaded into PFE. Now I just check the legs with the kneeboard/navlog and remove those that PFE deleted!All good now, just had the first flight where the ATC worked as expected. One thing though, when approaching the airport PFE send me towards the correct rwy and says "expect vectors rwy 09". This rwy 09 doens't have ILS. Is it normal that I have to manually line up with the runway? Because I never got any vectors after that.15093774.th.jpg :(
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