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I Guess CYVR By Addicted To Airspace Has Been Dropped

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Jonathan Gabbert has not updated in 4 month as of today which is not a good sign,I have tried contacting him on Facebook as well with no response So sad this was a very nice project. I also feel sad for our flightsim family in YVR this is the 2nd time that YVR has been discontinued if you all remember the old SIMFLYERS was developing it before the big team break up. http://jgabbert.wordpress.com/Randy

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Johnathan has not said anything but I imagine, like many of us, real life get's in the way of simming....It would be nice to see the project finished for sure as his progress work looked great.

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Wasn't Simflyers working on KMSP and/or KBFI?
yes they were as well as CYVR then the team had a parting of waves.... I actually have a copy of KBFI 90% from being a BETA tester..it was looking very sweet.
Johnathan has not said anything but I imagine, like many of us, real life get's in the way of simming....It would be nice to see the project finished for sure as his progress work looked great.
Still not an excuse...it would take 10 seconds to post a status update and at least talk to us...10 seconds.

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It reminds me of another freeware developer who abandoned his project that was 90% completed. I don't understand why they just don't release it as is. Arrogance or what ?If they aren't going to follow through they shouldn't be broadcasting it all over the web (for years)......some payware people do it too...Cheers/Greg

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This stuff is not the first or last "vapour ware" you will see so I suggest not letting the hype get to you fellows so much. While I too would love to see this make the library here I do not feel anyone owes me anything or that they are arrogant if it does not.Not like we didn't get what we paid for.......

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It reminds me of another freeware developer who abandoned his project that was 90% completed. I don't understand why they just don't release it as is. Arrogance or what ?
Even with all the caveats, *disclaimers, and HUGE RED LETTERS in the world, if someone who designed a freeware package releases it only 90% complete, there will be an inordinate number of people raising holy hell because the product isn't finished, not working correctly, this widget is in the wrong spot, etc. etc. etc.I'd HATE to have my name associated with any sort of unfinished project. Most freeware developers want their name associated with a good, complete project. They have their pride, and if they cannot finish the project to their liking, it is not worth releasing it half-baked to see what happens. For whatever the reason, these developers opted to step away from their development and do something else. It doesn't really matter why, but they have. Such is life sometimes! Although it'd be nice to see what was going on, freeware developers usually make these projects for themselves first - THEY want to use the product they are developing. The product is for them first, and for us second. Sometimes making your intentions to work on a freeware project known acts as encouragement to continue, but real life and higher priorities might still get in the way. Although I too would be disappointed if someone was working on a freeware version of a scenery area I'd like to fly in and had to stop working on it (announced or unannounced), at least I can fairly say that I didn't invest anything into the project except for anticipation. In the end, I have to ask who's more arrogant: The freeware developer who stops at the 11th hour without releasing anything, or the end-user who demands the release of something?

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We are talking about freeware here. If the author chooses, for whatever reason, not to continue development that is his decision. He's under no obligation to explain anything and frankly - based on the arrogant attitudes shown by some posters - I certainly wouldn't now bother responding at all if I were him.

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A nice CYVR scenery would be cool as i live on Vancouver Island and most of my "i got an hour let's fly!" flights are CYQQ-CYVR. But, as others have already said, to some of us real life things take priority over simming.I personally appreciate all the freeware developers that take time out from their lives to create these works of art but understandalso that life comes first.Also as someone else has already pointed out, it's freeware. you get what you pay for.

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A nice CYVR scenery would be cool as i live on Vancouver Island and most of my "i got an hour let's fly!" flights are CYQQ-CYVR. But, as others have already said, to some of us real life things take priority over simming.I personally appreciate all the freeware developers that take time out from their lives to create these works of art but understandalso that life comes first.Also as someone else has already pointed out, it's freeware. you get what you pay for.
I guess what I find arrogant is when they just throw up their arms and quit and never bother at least to say they QUIT. I don't care if they have other priority's, what I do care for is those not stringing people along like they are still engaged like keeping a blog site with progress images up instead of taking it down. What is sad on this project is the time spent trying to enhance the downtown YVR scenery could have been spent on the airport....do the other stuff later.I also don't understand is why they don't offer the project to the highest bidder,basically selling their name off the project and letting someone else do what they like... I almost would a fair price + a fair royalty to purchase it and finish it to my liking and release it.

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I guess what I find arrogant is when they just throw up their arms and quit and never bother at least to say they QUIT. I don't care if they have other priority's, what I do care for is those not stringing people along like they are still engaged like keeping a blog site with progress images up instead of taking it down. What is sad on this project is the time spent trying to enhance the downtown YVR scenery could have been spent on the airport....do the other stuff later.I also don't understand is why they don't offer the project to the highest bidder,basically selling their name off the project and letting someone else do what they like... I almost would a fair price + a fair royalty to purchase it and finish it to my liking and release it.
What really is arrogant is your assumption that you have any right to anything. He simply let us know what it was developing as freeware. There was no question of stringing people along. What you understand or don't understand is irrelevant. He was developing it and he can choose to do whatever he likes with it. None of of have any idea what changes may have happened in his life, or even what tragedies may have occured. Regardless, the immature and selfish can only complain that he hasn't done what they think he should have done.

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Jonathan Gabbert has not updated in 4 month as of today which is not a good sign,I have tried contacting him on Facebook as well with no response So sad this was a very nice project. I also feel sad for our flightsim family in YVR this is the 2nd time that YVR has been discontinued if you all remember the old SIMFLYERS was developing it before the big team break upHey, on the bright side,Duke Nukem Forever is finally outhttp://jgabbert.wordpress.com/Randy

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He will be back. At least I hope so. He has had large gaps before. Just look at how many years he has been working on it.... I think he will finish it. It's just that he keeps expanding the scenery. If the airport is done, he should give us that and he can keep working on all the other stuff that's outside the airport through updates.Now this project is dead for sure. No word from this guy for a year... Sigh... http://www.epkk.pl/

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He will be back. At least I hope so. He has had large gaps before. Just look at how many years he has been working on it.... I think he will finish it. It's just that he keeps expanding the scenery. If the airport is done, he should give us that and he can keep working on all the other stuff that's outside the airport through updates.Now this project is dead for sure. No word from this guy for a year... Sigh... http://www.epkk.pl/
I guess then many designers have A.D.D. thats the only reason I can think of to pull out of a project especially when the srcreen-shots look like it is almost done.

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Why does anyone think he should give us anything? Newmanix, were you not the one that went into a rant when SunSkyJet was late releasing the free KPHL? I know you love your scenery like I do but seriously.You fellows crack me up.... :(

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Why does anyone think he should give us anything? Newmanix, were you not the one that went into a rant when SunSkyJet was late releasing the free KPHL? I know you love your scenery like I do but seriously.You fellows crack me up.... :(
My issue there was with the fact of having a forum and not giving any updates... Having a site is one thing. Having a forum and keeping people in the dark is another. So yes, alot of people got upset and voiced their opinions there and they locked the forum if I remember correctly. And my rant I was agreeing with a point someone else was making. The real funny thing is, they didn't get KPHL AES'd so I uninstalled it....This CYVR guy Jonathan G did not start up a forum for fans and promise release dates not delivered for over a year while not at least giving updates about it. Yes it's free but when you open a forum, you are giving expectations and my point was/is valid. Jonathan G. is not giving us any expectations other then he will release it and it will be free so nothing to argue with there unless he goes back on that promise. Honestly, I would not argue if he did decide to sell it.Those are very valid points so you can stop cracking yourself up now. :(

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My issue there was with the fact of having a forum and not giving any updates... Having a site is one thing. Having a forum and keeping people in the dark is another. So yes, alot of people got upset and voiced their opinions there and they locked the forum if I remember correctly. And my rant I was agreeing with a point someone else was making. The real funny thing is, they didn't get KPHL AES'd so I uninstalled it....This CYVR guy Jonathan G did not start up a forum for fans and promise release dates not delivered for over a year while not at least giving updates about it. Yes it's free but when you open a forum, you are giving expectations and my point was/is valid. Jonathan G. is not giving us any expectations other then he will release it and it will be free so nothing to argue with there unless he goes back on that promise. Honestly, I would not argue if he did decide to sell it.Those are very valid points so you can stop cracking yourself up now. :(
Actually you went on a rant here in AVSIM forums. And it turns out you got upset for nothing as it was an airport you do not even use. You're cracking me up again LOL.gif What I find amazing is the sense of entitlement some simmers feel from freeware developers. I do not understand why anyone would do stuff for free when some simmers act like they are entitled to it and that the freeware developer owes them something.As Greggerm said, I suppose most freeware guys do the extensive labour for their own satisfaction and for those that do appreciate it.

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Actually you went on a rant here in AVSIM forums. And it turns out you got upset for nothing as it was an airport you do not even use. You're cracking me up again LOL.gif What I find amazing is the sense of entitlement some simmers feel from freeware developers. I do not understand why anyone would do stuff for free when some simmers act like they are entitled to it.As Greggerm said, I suppose most freeware guys do it for their own satisfaction and for those that do appreciate it.
If freeware or payware developers choose to not give a since of expectation there will be no since of expectation of the end users. I don't know where you are getting enitilement from, perhaps you don't know the difference or perhaps you like to simply tell yourself that in order to continue to crack yourself up??Also I am not stupid, I am aware that topic was here.And there was an expectation KPHL would have AES because that expectation was given in their forum to which also didn't happen. I know the only POV you can see here is yours so lets just agree to disagree before there is a need for an admin to intervene. Thanks BTW for bringing up a several month old topic which has absolutely nothing to do with this.:( Please get back onto THIS topic.

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This is exactly what I am talking about. This is about simmers complaining about freeware.How some simmers, such as you, have a SENSE of entitlement. Why can't some simmers just be happy that some people are KIND enough to do things like this for free instead of ranting or critiquing something they did not get, or in your case, you did not get what you expected in timely fashion....I see you rant on payware forums and all the power to you (and I agree with you 99% of the time), we paid for it. But give your heads a shake guys. This is freeware. Lower your expectations? If you do not understand that....

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This is exactly what I am talking about. This is about simmers complaining about freeware.How some simmers, such as you, have a SENSE of entitlement. Why can't some simmers just be happy that some people are KIND enough to do things like this for free instead of ranting or critiquing something they did not get, or in your case, you did not get what you expected in timely fashion....I see you rant on payware forums and all the power to you (and I agree with you 99% of the time), we paid for it. But give your heads a shake guys. This is freeware. Lower your expectations? If you do not understand that....
You clearly missed the point. As I expected you would.:(

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If freeware or payware developers choose to not give a since of expectation there will be no since of expectation of the end users.
Freeware developers by saying what they are working on don't give any sense of expectation, except in the minds of those too immature to understand the reality of the situation.

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Both freeware and payware developers take the flight simming experience to new heights with each release. I have never minded paying for products I want and there are several projects that I would love to see done, either way. The only thing that disappoints me about a major freeware development that is either cancelled or keeps getting pushed out is that payware developers may have chosen not to do these airports because it was already in progress, and they feel the market may not support a dual effort, which really creates a delay in availability.That said, a sceneriy is a beautiful work of art and it is a sad loss to the simming community when a project is cancelled. It would be nice when that is indeed the case, for whatever reason, the developer would pass it along for another developer who is able and willing to help complete it.

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You clearly missed the point. As I expected you would.:(
I guess I did miss your point. What is it exactly? Let me see here.....in your eyes if a freeware developer post images on a website of a project they are working on, they can drop the project and it is ok with you? But if they have a forum and drop the project, or they are late getting it out, you have a green light to rant? Also, you do not think you're entitled to this freeware but you do have expectations if they announce anything, including just a picture website with no forum? And if your expectations are not met you again have a green light to rant? Do I understand you? Is that your point? If it is your point, you really are more mature than that are you not Newmanix?I have helpful advice for simmers like you Newmanix, do not expect something for nothing. This way if you do end up getting something for FREE, you can really enjoy it. And if you do not get something, you have zero expectations so no harm done and no loss to you.Do you understand what I am saying?As for payware teams skipping over scenery because freeware guys are working on it. BAH! We now have three versions of LSZH....if a developer thinks it will sell, they will do it no matter who else is doing it or has done it. LGAV is another one that comes to mind. A little bit of of angst over at the FT forums as a Greek Team was a little upset George has taken this one on.

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I guess I did miss your point. What is it exactly? Let me see here.....in your eyes if a freeware developer post images on a website of a project they are working on, they can drop the project and it is ok with you? But if they have a forum and drop the project, or they are late getting it out, you have a green light to rant? Also, you do not think you're entitled to this freeware but you do have expectations if they announce anything, including just a picture website with no forum? And if your expectations are not met you again have a green light to rant? Do I understand you? Is that your point? If it is your point, you really are more mature than that are you not Newmanix?I have helpful advice for simmers like you Newmanix, do not expect something for nothing. This way if you do end up getting something for FREE, you can really enjoy it. And if you do not get something, you have zero expectations so no harm done and no loss to you.Do you understand what I am saying?As for payware teams skipping over scenery because freeware guys are working on it. BAH! We now have three versions of LSZH....if a developer thinks it will sell, they will do it no matter who else is doing it or has done it. LGAV is another one that comes to mind. A little bit of of angst over at the FT forums as a Greek Team was a little upset George has taken this one on.
altstiffPlease put away the word entitled. this thread is not about being entitled. My main issue I wanted to express is why cant people/scenery designers in particular just take 5 seconds and give an update on a monthly basis. Personally I currently have 2 scenery projects on my hard drive but I am not ready to start a blog page,post screen shots and make it look like the project is almost done. I wont do that until it is ready to be released - 1 month.5-seconds that is all it takes a month to say "I'm still having personal issues" "I am still working on it thanks for your patients" and it also take 5-seconds to say "I QUIT THIS PROJECT" and take your blog down soon after. .I don't discriminate between payware and freeware that is advertised much the same way as payware.Mostly I was asking if anyone here knew anything about it...obviously Johnathan Gabbert doesn't visit Avsim enough to defend himself.

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