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Chris F.

Near Miss at JFK...

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"Cancel take off! Cancel take off plans!" yelled a frightened air controller who saw that the Munich-bound Lufthansa Airbus A340 was headed toward a collision with an Egypt Air Boeing 777 at around 6:50 p.m. Monday.
So apparently, Egypt Air turned onto the wrong taxiway and almost taxiied onto RWY 22R at the same time a Lufthansa plane was taking off. I wonder what was going thru the pilots head on that Egypt Air flight.Here's a link to more info and a listen to ATC:Info and ATC on that dayI can't really find a good recording of the incident but I hope I do. Share your thoughts.Also, if any mods want to move this to a different forum, then go ahead.

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Now, I'm not a genius when it comes to ground operations, but shouldn't ground control know where planes are? But kudos to the controller who saw this.

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Now, I'm not a genius when it comes to ground operations, but shouldn't ground control know where planes are? But kudos to the controller who saw this.
The 777 turned on the wrong way, was not controllers fault. i think.

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Now, I'm not a genius when it comes to ground operations, but shouldn't ground control know where planes are? But kudos to the controller who saw this.
Yeah, I believe it was the pilots fault on this one.

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I'm sure that the Egypt Air crew are probably to blame but I should have asked if the 777 showed up on ASDE-X (which I just found out about) or if it was being monitored?

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Just ask yourselves the question - why the problem originated from the flight deck of Egypt Air and not Lufthansa flight, and you might be enlighten of why it happened in the first place...

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It's hard to imagine that the Egypt air pilot was taxiing without a clear instructions (at one of the busiest airport in the world) that applies to the Lufthansa pilot TO too, if it was foggy day it would be another KLM & Pan-Am Tenerife disaster.

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would have had a much higher fatality. It would have killed 630 people which is more than the Tenerife disaster. We can only say thank god and take better steps so that near miss never happens again

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<br />It's hard to imagine that the Egypt air pilot was taxiing without a clear instructions (at the busiest airport in the world) that applies to the Lufthansa pilot TO too, if it was foggy day it would be another KLM & Pan-Am Tenerife disaster.<br />
I'm not being a jerk or anything, but JFK is not by any means the busiest airport in the world, neither in terms of passengers carried, nor aircraft movements. In fact, last year it came in at 14th place, right behind Dubai, and so far this year, it is in 18th place.The busiest airport in the world is Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta Intl Airport, followed by Beijing Capital Airport, followed by Chicago O'Hare Intl Airport. Sorry for the correction, just thought I'd clear that up for other readers who might see. :(

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Ok I ll add" One of "Thanks

I'm not being a jerk or anything, but JFK is not by any means the busiest airport in the world, neither in terms of passengers carried, nor aircraft movements. In fact, last year it came in at 14th place, right behind Dubai, and so far this year, it is in 18th place.The busiest airport in the world is Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta Intl Airport, followed by Beijing Capital Airport, followed by Chicago O'Hare Intl Airport. Sorry for the correction, just thought I'd clear that up for other readers who might see. :(

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Ok I ll add a One of Thanks
No worries. <img src='http://static.avsim.net/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':('I was just informing you...its not important or anything. Take care!

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I realy wonder how that could have happen at all! Every modern airliner a/c has a TCAS with TA monitoring, as well as the tower tells the pilots which taxiways to take. And the pilots have to have the airport charts at hand and to know every second where they are taxiing. On the other side, tower has a ground radar to know every second where which a/c is taxiing, so if one is approaching a active runway, a alarm should go off, because the tower controllers cannot whatch every a/c all the time while they are taxiing around.If a foreing pilot does not know exactly how to get from A to B at a airport, he can ask the tower for guidance. In such a case someone is watching closely this aircraft and giving detailed instructions. Am I right?But I know many eastern country pilots/crews do not like to ask for help. They think it would be a unhonorable thing to ask. So it can happen that they get lost and make such faults.So, the FAA is at the case... I would love to know what they will find out and who is responceable.

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As far as I know, yout turn the TCAS off when you are on the ground. Only prior to Take Off you turn it back on. Otherwise you would get many alerts while taxiing.Correct me if I'm wrong.

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You would think that when an aircraft on a runway is cleared for a take off or an aircraft is within 30 seconds of touchdown that all taxiways attached to that runway would at the least simply have an automatic or controller controlled traffic light system to prevent taxing aircraft entering the runway enviroment when not cleared to do so - duh, am no aviation expert but you would think some kind of technology could support a pilots decision to enter/cross a runway - Big RED Lights means don't go out there bloody great jet coming your way, Big GREEN Lights mean okay dokey folks safe to cross thanks for following the green cross code - seems to work for children, well most of the time.Roger McNeillEGPF Scotland

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How many people actually heard this recording and remembers it? I sure do!Aerogal 700 (a B767) was cleared to land 13L but instead was lining up for 13R where a jetBlue plane was starting to take off. I'm sure everyone is familiar with the Canarsie approach for RWY 13L. Delta 122 was the one who noticed and alerted tower. Listen to the whole clip.

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I can't believe the bigotry in the comments to the article there. Those retards implying it was an attempted terrorist attack and all. So sad there's people like that.

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Who is sooo foolish thinking it could be some kind of a terror act? Just a EA did not know where he was taxiing and a controller who was very good to see and warn the accellerating Lufthansa bird. These faults are happening and already happened all over the world very many times, often the nomal public will not get any details about it. Is it that foreign pilots do not understand english good enough or cannot read the airport charts, because they have had not enough rest/sleep?

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Any video of this incident by any chance?

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As far as I know, yout turn the TCAS off when you are on the ground. Only prior to Take Off you turn it back on. Otherwise you would get many alerts while taxiing.Correct me if I'm wrong.
You are wrong. They have a ground radar on KJFK, like they have on pretty much every big airport, at least in the US

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You are wrong. They have a ground radar on KJFK, like they have on pretty much every big airport, at least in the US
He is right, he said TCAS, not ground radar.

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I can't believe the bigotry in the comments to the article there. Those retards implying it was an attempted terrorist attack and all. So sad there's people like that.
Yeah, pretty ridiculous, and they even brought Obama into it. Can't believe people still hate him so much.But aside from that, was it really a near miss? I would call it a near crash. Just an expression I know, but weird nonetheless.

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