How is this automatic process going to check for incompatibilities between programs and then also between hardware and operating systems? Do you realize how many different combinations of hardware, software and add-ons are out there? You can check against some plain vanilla set-up, but that doesn't match up with anything in the real world.

I've just had to refomat my hard disk - my PC was running soooo slow. It also has a different monitor, mouse, printer to the originals.I've now reinstalled everything:XPAutoCadOffice ProfessionalFireFoxC++ builderPhotoshopFS9GMax.and an assortment of minor odds and ends. Tedious but they all installed and ran without fighting each other. What's so special about add-ons?

Google search the utility Window Blinds and see how many FS programs it has stopped from running. Do you think MS is going to check for all of those type things? My answer is still no.

So Windows Blinds is buggy - what's that got to do with FS add-ons?

You win. The testing of all Flight add-ons is the best thing out there since sliced bread. My answer is still no.

You win. The testing of all Flight add-ons is the best thing out there since sliced bread. My answer is still no.

What was the question?

My answer is still no.

I'm sorry Jim, but I hold the copyright to the use of NO in this thread. But don't worry, as an approved No-er, certified by Microsoft, I can offer you the use of the word NO for a small download fee of $4.99 available at the KILLSALLFREEWARE store. Payment by small, unmarked bills is preferred. I haven't checked all the responses, but do wonder if the store concept means the death of most online forums and sites? Avsim store? GONE! Simmarket? GONE! Many, many others will disappear, IMO. The backlash from that by the "hardcore simmer" will not be something that MS wants to see. We're all just speculating, me included. So I speculate that I really hope MS isn't so stupid to think they can control and monitor all add-ons for Flight. But nothing would surprise me...

Flight 1 gone, PCA gone, all the companies that set up their own stores to sell gone, Flight Sim store, gone. "Oh, but what about all the FS 8, 9, and 10 stuff they sell?" Could run dry pretty quick. It's not like these stores are making a huge profit, after taking into account all their expenses. As far as NO: I need you to put your KILLSALLFREEWARE logo in all your posts and then please test the word NO with every True-Type font out there, using every keyboard ever sold, and using every Language Pack that Windows XP, Vista, and Win 7 includes. My answer is STILL aucune.

Freeware if freeware there is will come from the devs. who will be selling in the store (is it not like that from some developers?) or buy 3 of those and get this one free? If (because some still think that nobody know nothing including the devs.) the major devs. are in bed with MS from the beginning don't you think add-ons are been ironed out as we speak to make sure everything will work at the release of Flight? Again, what's the major problems the devs. are facing with their add-ons (not only in the sim. business) ....you got it ...piracy...so starting from there is it not easy to understand why they should be under MS's umbrella, but what does that mean you will ask...well think about it, if we do not have access to the add-ons like before don't you think that the devs. will eliminate or reduce the chances of add-ons to be the pirated to a bare minimum? Some quality rules will be in place for all add-ons sold in the store, nothing is bullet proof and a bug can show up after the released of an add-ons....it's not the end of the world, it can always be fixed, that's what patches are for.

What was the question?

Will I ever respond to a mgh post after adding him to my ignore list, as my first ever, here and at Flight Sim? My ANSWER is still nicht.

Will I ever respond to a mgh post after adding him to my ignore list, as my first ever, here and at Flight Sim? My ANSWER is still nicht.

Honestly, we dont care that you added him to your ignore list .. i find it odd that you would report that to us.

Flight 1 gone, PCA gone, all the companies that set up their own stores to sell gone, Flight Sim store, gone. "Oh, but what about all the FS 8, 9, and 10 stuff they sell?" Could run dry pretty quick. It's not like these stores are making a huge profit, after taking into account all their expenses. As far as NO: I need you to put your KILLSALLFREEWARE logo in all your posts and then please test the word NO with every True-Type font out there, using every keyboard ever sold, and using every Language Pack that Windows XP, Vista, and Win 7 includes. My answer is STILL aucune.

The world is a cruel one today and if selling add-ons for Flight in the marketstore means a lot more money for the devs. compare to the selling in the regular store like Flight1 or PCA ...well sorry but business is business and they are there to make money they are not a charity. The regular store will still be in business as long as other add-ons for other platforms can be sold, FSX is not dead yet trust me, can it be why Aerosoft did not want to get on board with Flight...because of their stores and the way they do business, just saying? By the way no = non and aucune = none.

Honestly, we dont care that you added him to your ignore list .. i find it odd that you would report that to us.

Please note I quoted his post and answered him, not you or anyone else. Reading is fundamental, you know? MY answer is still aon.

By the way no = non and aucune = none.

Please report that to Google Translate then. I am sure they'll be glad to hear from you. My answer IS still nie.

Please report that to Google Translate then. I am sure they'll be glad to hear from you. My answer IS still nie.

Don't need to, French is my native language.

Jim, The difference of course between an app and an FSX add-on (at least as FSX is concerned):

1. A Windows app loads instantly, while FSX can take a looong time to load, so a CTD is costlier for FSX.
2. If a Windows app CTDs it doesn't cause Windows to BSOD (by definition), but an unstable FSX add-on can cause FSX to CTD, thus crashing all FSX add-ons.
3. A faulty Windows app is easy to identify and no longer use, but in FSX it is extremely difficult if not impossible to identify a faulting add-on
4. A Windows app with a poorly written installer/uninstaller generally will not cause Windows to fail to boot (and if it does it will be fairly easy to track down and fix), while an FSX add-on with a poorly written installer/uninstaller can cause FSX to fail to start and it can then be extremely difficult to determine why.
5. For all of the above a faulty Windows app will not result in the PC user having a bad Windows experience because the faulting app is contained, while in FSX a faulty add-on will cause the simmer to have an overall poor simming experience and therefore will hurt the perceived value the simmer obtains from FSX simming altogether and thus the perceived value he obtains from add-ons purchased from other developpers. And when the perceived value obtained from an add-on falls below the add-on price, that add-on will not be purchased even though that particular add-on might offer exceptional actual value (what's the use of an aircraft add-on with a great 3D model, air file and FPS if you barely sim anymore bacuse of the bugs?).

So it's like the case of a neighbor that keeps garbage in his apartment can bring-down the value of your own apartment. In economics it's called an externality, and now you understand (if you didn't know it already) why FSX add-ons have externalities while Windows apps don't, which is why simmers would have benefitted from FSX add-on independent testing by Microsoft (and good developpers, too, for they would have sold more add-ons), while PC users would not benefit from Windows apps independent testing. Hardware of course is totally similar to the FSX add-on situation WRT to the externality of fault contamination, as a single faulty or incompatible piece of hardware can keep the PC from booting, thus spoiling the "Windows Experience" (most PC users are unable to deal with C hardare faults) for the PC user, which is of course why Microsoft offers the Windows Logo program. Now just like the Window Logo porgram is not 100% perfect, it still is useful in that the tests a PC and related hardware are required to pass guarantee a certain optimal level of performance that will adequately preserve the Windows Experience for the majority of PC users. So for FSX a similar quality assurance program by Microsoft would have eliminated most of the add-on problems stemming from poor installers that contaminate FSX native directories, poor uninstallers that do not restore the proper state of FSX after the uninstall, memory leaks, and so-on that all could have been be reasonably tested (considering the universe of FSX add-ons is significantly smaller than the universe of PC hardware) had such a testing program existed. So add-on testing is possible, does not need to be perfect to be useful and would benefit both simmers and developpers. Of course Flight could (and should) be architected differently so the FSX environment is better isolated to prevent a faulting add-on to contaminate the Flight environment, or at least if that's not possible, to make it easier for simmers to identify and remove faulting add-ons, thus decreasing the scope of potential faults that add-ons would need to be tested against, and why not, perhaps even eliminating the need for testing altogether (unlikely). Cheers, - jahman.