What NAPD procedure is used in LOWI? I mean thrust reduction and acceleration height.

You can find it here... http://www.austrocontrol.at/content/lfa/Flugbewilligungen/Special_Performance_Procedures/LOWI/LOWI.shtml

Just post the thing. I'm sure the NGX swarm will work out the bugs. :(

See what I mean?

See what I mean?

Yep !!!

You can find it here... http://www.austrocon...LOWI/LOWI.shtml

I can't find thrust reduction and acceleration altitude. They are just giving their damn climb gradients.

I can't find thrust reduction and acceleration altitude. They are just giving their damn climb gradients.

Well, the approach is High Drag so very noisy with gear down and lot of flaps and Departure is in both directions all hands on deck with a relative short runway and the climb gradient as published.What I remember was climbing with a minimum of 2500ft/min and the most cariers are the cheap ones, fully loaded...

Edited February 3, 201214 yr by simba_nl

Well, the approach is High Drag so very noisy with gear down and lot of flaps and Departure is in both directions all hands on deck with a relative short runway and the climb gradient as published.

So not limits for this altitudes?

So not limits for this altitudes?

For as far as I know, none... but maybe a current RW pilot can answer that question but the link I mentioned is the latest Government information.I'm from the old school loooooong time ago before NG series.

Ryan, I agree with Simba in that the " World Air Routes " DVD of Transavia.....Amsterdam to Innsbruck is very good footage and a lot can be learned from just watching that.This is a clip from it which is on Youtube. Go to about 2 minutes into the clip !http://www.youtube.c.../53/kgEfFe6sTsEIt is a 737 800 and because the weather is fairly good the captain decides to circle to land at RW 08This is the website if you are interested in the full DVD.http://www.worldairroutes.com/http://www.worldairroutes.com/Transavia.html Fred.

Edited February 4, 201214 yr by RYR738

I'll check out the Transavia DVD...What I'm mainly interested in here is the configuration schedule - I've seen some things saying to start fully configured at RTT and some that say full flaps don't come out until the turn to final. Just wondering which method is more common.

I'll check out the Transavia DVD...What I'm mainly interested in here is the configuration schedule - I've seen some things saying to start fully configured at RTT and some that say full flaps don't come out until the turn to final. Just wondering which method is more common.

Any of the RW guys that I flew with (while with KLM), it was always gear down and flaps 30 as they entered the valley at RTT.I never flew in there myself but was always interested in the details. A nice slow and steady descent seemed to be the main reasoning.I guess you can't afford to mess up to much with 10,000 ft. mountains on either side of you !Since KLM took over Transavia, (BASIQ AIR) I would imagine that their sop's were very similar.The DVD is quite interesting, especially as it is a 737 800, 737 700 and a classic,The footage is from 2001.Fred.

Edited February 4, 201214 yr by RYR738

I'll check out the Transavia DVD...What I'm mainly interested in here is the configuration schedule - I've seen some things saying to start fully configured at RTT and some that say full flaps don't come out until the turn to final. Just wondering which method is more common.

If the general conf schedule at several airlines is what you are after, I might try and shoot a mail to a former SkyEurope captain, they flew there from Vienna, although they would have been using RNP approaches I recon.

For as far as I know, none... but maybe a current RW pilot can answer that question but the link I mentioned is the latest Government information.I'm from the old school loooooong time ago before NG series.

Well you see...I really dislike flying to the airport, where I don't know exact values for some stuff like these altitudes or even minimums.They are giving climb gradients, and i don't know which one to choose.

I'll check out the Transavia DVD...What I'm mainly interested in here is the configuration schedule - I've seen some things saying to start fully configured at RTT and some that say full flaps don't come out until the turn to final. Just wondering which method is more common.

Most of the 737 airliners visiting LOWI are heavy loaded so in RW it is common to start descent with flaps 30/gear down config to keep the speed in trim and on final, full flaps. Fred is right about the SOP's, they are unchanged. In the link Fred mentioned, they just cut out the part where the captain is saying Flaps 30 during the whole descent and Flaps 40 on short final. I reviewed the movie again and can confirm it and also that the captain is saying that they started the Baseleg turn with a descent rate of 800ft (3700 to 2900ft) and you see the F/O dialing the Missed Approach 080/9500. Their final approach speed is 130 kts with flaps 40 and autobrake level 3 set..

Edited February 4, 201214 yr by simba_nl

i just flew an LSGG to LOWI on vatsim on a 737-700 ! As I flew in from the west: ELMEM 1A -> LLZ/DME west -> circle to land 08 (my understanding is that Ryan's tutorial will cover the east one). Indeed the configuration is a bit tricky. I'm looking forward having real drivers insight on the approach!Ryan, thanks for the tutorial!BestKarim

Edited February 4, 201214 yr by fulcrum_64th

i just flew an LSGG to LOWI on vatsim on a 737-700 ! As I flew in from the west: ELMEM 1A -> LLZ/DME west -> circle to land 08 (my understanding is that Ryan's tutorial will cover the east one). Indeed the configuration is a bit tricky. I'm looking forward having real drivers insight on the approach!Ryan, thanks for the tutorial!BestKarim

The western approach for RW08 is more complicated because you have to clean up an additional 2000ft in a shorter distance (11500ft KTI to 4500ft AB) but thanks to FSX forgiveness it’s possible as I showed in my YouTube simulation with the 800 series but is not real world realistic because it is simply not allowed due to the maximum Turn Radius over AB. Don’t know the maximum radius of a 700 series but 800 and bigger are normally heading for RTT to come back from the East. When the weather is fine and not much traffic, sometimes they are coming in thru the valley from the west in low altitude to make a left hand circuit for RW26 to avoid the longer track to RTT and extra fuel burn.