I've been reading lots of bickering, entertaining at times, and actually feeling some of the anger with regards to MS Flight and its incomplete, yet eminent release.How can I be excited about a new sim that is really NOT a sim?How can I support a company that fired it's old team, then told us that there would NOT be another sim?How can I consider buying a toy software from a company that never cared enough to fix FSX?HOW?They can't possibly think I'm going to fall for it again.

And your point is?

José,Excuse me for saying this, but you are misinformed on the points you mention.Microsoft Flight use the same legacy code as FS X, but improved as you will see when it is released. And, it will still have many of the very same issues ("bugs") that FS X had. So, it is a "sim", whatever that may mean, the same "sim" as before.Secondly, Microsoft Game Studios did not eliminate all the ACES Developers; in fact, many of the principal developers that worked on FS X have also developed Flight. And, I would add that it is surprising to see so many people clamoring for the return of these same developers when just six years ago they were disparaged on this forum for their "bad coding" and their "poorly conceived" program. Make up your minds, guys, either they are lousy or they are excellent, but in any case they haven't gone anywhere.Finally, ACES did "fix" FS X, twice to be exact, and the Service Packs are there to prove that. Whether some consider the fixes to be sufficient is another matter, but ACES did dedicate considerable developer resources to the matter. And, on a positive note, Microsoft Flight will benefit from the same concept as other Microsoft products and receive continuous updates throughout the life of the product, thus always providing fixes to issues ("bugs").Whether you choose to download the free basic module of Flight is entirely up to you, but if you do and are a systems management simmer who prefers pushing buttons to flying, then you will certainly be disappointed. Because Flight is about flying. About holding your game controller in your hands at all times and flying the airplane all the time.For those of us who like to fly, Microsoft Flight is what FS should always have been. And we, and many, many people who love flying and have always dreamt of it, will enjoy it immensely.Best regards.Luis

Edited February 9, 201214 yr by LuisFelizTirado

For those of us who like to fly, Microsoft Flight is what FS should always have been. And we, and many, many people who love flying and have always dreamt of it, will enjoy it immensely.

I enjoy to fly and same time to operate systems like in real life. Its part of flying in my opinion. Anyway at least its finally clear that Flight has no future as serious full flight simulator. I hope that its target audience will find it fun game to play so their effort will actually provide something good to someone at least.

Edited February 9, 201214 yr by FScamp

For those of us who like to fly, Microsoft Flight is what FS should always have been

Hello LuizIf the MS flight sim series had been a locked platform impossible for Freeware developers to work on, would you have stuck with it throughout all of these years ?

Great question, in fact, I prefer to fly, unlike many other scenery developers. So, if past versions of FS had the same quality of scenery and as much detail as Flight, I, personally, would never have bothered to learn and develop scenery packages.As for "locked platform", this has not yet been demonstrated. Perhaps when Flight is released, we can all start looking at the file structure and we shall probably see that it is pretty much the same as FS, so why should we not be able to modify it?Best regards.Luis

I've been reading lots of bickering, entertaining at times, and actually feeling some of the anger with regards to MS Flight and its incomplete, yet eminent release. How can I be excited about a new sim that is really NOT a sim? How can I support a company that fired it's old team, then told us that there would NOT be another sim? How can I consider buying a toy software from a company that never cared enough to fix FSX? HOW? They can't possibly think I'm going to fall for it again.

How can... you say all that before the game is actually released? :(

Finally, ACES did "fix" FS X, twice to be exact, and the Service Packs are there to prove that. Whether some consider the fixes to be sufficient is another matter, but ACES did dedicate considerable developer resources to the matter.

Maybe they should have kept going with SP3 and onwards, and had they charged for the SPs (we would have paid!) maybe they wouldn't have gotten fired.

Microsoft Flight will benefit from the same concept as other Microsoft products and receive continuous updates throughout the life of the product, thus always providing fixes to issues ("bugs").

False dichotomy. Exactly the same strategy could have been implemented fro FSXI.

Whether you choose to download the free basic module of Flight is entirely up to you, but if you do and are a systems management simmer who prefers pushing buttons to flying, then you will certainly be disappointed. Because Flight is about flying. About holding your game controller in your hands at all times and flying the airplane all the time.

Another false dichotomy. The really neat thing about FSX is "leave no flying enthusiast behind". There was no need to lobotomize FSX. It is perfectly feasible to develop both the scenery and button-pushing aspects of simming as was already demonstrated in FS9.

For those of us who like to fly, Microsoft Flight is what FS should always have been. And we, and many, many people who love flying and have always dreamt of it, will enjoy it immensely.

What, you can't stick fly the A2A Cub in FSX? Please...Cheers,- jahman.

As for "locked platform", this has not yet been demonstrated. Perhaps when Flight is released, we can all start looking at the file structure and we shall probably see that it is pretty much the same as FS, so why should we not be able to modify it?

You love Flight, but only because you want to violate Microsoft's User License that I expect this "free" software will have??? And AVSIM will support this?

Luis,I'm NOT misinformed. I'm just an experienced simmer who has learned not to believe everything I read. I also know when someone (MS) wants to take me for a fool! I'm not buying it!Maybe you can crack the code and enjoy MS Flight for what it is. In my opinion it's another unfinished product that will require lots of outside work to make it a real sim. But, as we have all learned, there will be none of that.If you "think" that MS Flight is a real sim, maybe you need to become more informed as to what a flight simulator offers.This is as "fake" as it gets.

Edited February 9, 201214 yr by DJJose

MS did not mislead anyone. We mislead ourselves with expectations not in evidence. Now we are all mad about that and taking it out on MS. They see "the cloud" as the future in terms of actual use, easy upgrading, piracy elimination, tablet use, compatible with Windows 8 & beyond, and profit making potential. They wrote us off the day they closed Aces Studios in a decision to move on. Many of us, including myself, just don't want to face that reality. I'm trying to face it by hoping a highly overclocked Ivy Bridge will be the real answer for now, and until something else better comes along. We are lucky to still have FSX in a world of hardware that it may grow into having practical use on in the near future.And the reality of that, may bring about significant changes for Flight. Maybe just like Intel does, they will sell an "unlocked" version before it is all over.Bob

Edited February 9, 201214 yr by Toys_R_Us

I also know when someone (MS) wants to take me for a fool! I'm not buying it!

OK, that's your point. Now I get your original post :(

MS did not mislead anyone. We mislead ourselves with expectations not in evidence. Now we are all mad about that and taking it out on MS. They see "the cloud" as the future in terms of actual use, easy upgrading, piracy elimination, tablet use, compatible with Windows 8 & beyond, and profit making potential. They wrote us off the day they closed Aces Studios in a decision to move on. Many of us, including myself, just don't want to face that reality. I'm trying to face it by hoping a highly overclocked Ivy Bridge will be the real answer for now, and until something else better comes along. We are lucky to still have FSX in a world of hardware that it may grow into having practical use on in the near future.And the reality of that, may bring about significant changes for Flight. Maybe just like Intel does, they will sell an "unlocked" version before it is all over.Bob

Bob,This recapts one fact:WE ARE NO LONGER MS's TARGET MARKETTherefore why bother with a dedicated forum, when the serious simmers are not going to share their knowledge or expertise with anyone who might need help?Maybe is good to have, just for the entertainment value. :(

Edited February 9, 201214 yr by DJJose

MS did not mislead anyone.

That statement is false. Go back to the Flight web and re-read the December 8, 2010 PR statement about respecting legacy simming.Cheers.-jahman.

All them statements are written by a legal/mareting department and can be interpreted in any fashion reguired. They mean nouthing similiar to a political statement.

Edited February 9, 201214 yr by Barnstormer1