Wow, those are much better than FLIGHT. Where can i buy that scenery?I do miss the good old 172 in FLIGHT. MIcrosoft made some dull aircraft choices I think. I guess the licences were cheap for a ICON A5 boatplane.

Of course, if you flew a real RV6 or 7, you'd never want to fly a 172 again! :biggrin:Climb performance is about three times that of a 172. View out of the cockpit is much better. My 6A (real) had a constant speed prop, dual axis auto-pilot, XM weather and radio, leather seats...........and could get to the destination much quicker than a 172. I grew up with small Pipers and Cessnas, but wouldn't want to go back........unless it was a 182, 210.....or perhaps a Citation X..

Funny. I was just wandering around Dillingham in flight and had come here to mention it! ^_^And its true I have seen it in more detail, but for those who were worried about value for dollar in the DLC model, it should be pointed that you get a whole island of airports at this level of detail, plus the city, a plane and etc for what we are used to paying for just one product. If 3rd parties could come in a spruce things up a bit, they would have a very solid base to work from, so lets hope MS loosens up a bit in that regard, over time.About the tree-size. I would hope the speed-tree tech would tend to keep that well under control, unlike in FSX. Here's hoping.It really was fun though, wandering around there, listening to the wind blow, watching the trees wave; but I admit it does seem like somebody called a nuclear alert and all the people, cars and etc fled to parts unknown.Twilight zone episode. :Thinking:

Edited March 1, 201214 yr by HiFlyer'

The photoscenery in the first shot makes it look worse at ground level then even stock FSX.A shot using GEX along with all the other scenery elements already in the shot is going to look nearly as good as FLIGHT, if not as good.And if it doesn't, so what? The very small differences aren't worth the tradeoff of the entire world being gone, there being no ATC, no AI system, etc. Give me slightly worse terrain any day if I have all that.

I have heard from internal sources that we will be seeing dozens of aircraft released over the next few months.We will have a very large selection of aircraft from the DLC.

12 aircraft at $15 each is $180.. and still just Hawaii... Not so "free to play" anymore eh?Now tell me what does $180 buy you in the world of FSX? UTX, GEX and REX for a start, with lots to spare for some top-quality third party aircraft.

12 aircraft at $15 each is $180.. and still just Hawaii... Not so "free to play" anymore eh?

And if all of those will be a castrated as the Maule (at $15) with no working radios and no working AP..... There is not a single commercial FSX add-on that dares to ask that money for such lack of features. I am blown away that people are not upset about that. Must be me.

12 aircraft at $15 each is $180.. and still just Hawaii... Not so "free to play" anymore eh?Now tell me what does $180 buy you in the world of FSX? UTX, GEX and REX for a start, with lots to spare for some top-quality third party aircraft.

I have purchased some 15 dollar FSX aircraft that had the obligatory button mashing systems, but were in almost every other way such junk that I have never even reinstalled them on subsequent Re-installs of FSX. Value is where you find it.Speaking further of value, how much does several islands of detailed scenery complete with airports and a plane cost in FSX?I am not sure what we are trying to prove.

I have purchased some 15 dollar FSX aircraft that had the obligatory button mashing systems, but were in almost every other way such junk that I have never even reinstalled them on subsequent Re-installs of FSX. Value is where you find it.Speaking further of value, how much does several islands of detailed scenery complete with airports and a plane cost in FSX?I am not sure what we are trying to prove.

Your kidding right? For $29.95 I can pick up FSX Gold with the whole world cover (If I didn't already have it), including 24000 airports, 1200 of them detailed, high quality 3rd party freeware available, about 27 default level aircraft, with thousands of 3rd party freeware available real time weather, ATC, AI traffic, a SDK. Now Look at Flight, $20.00 for Hawaii alone and 2 default level aircraft, add 15 for the Maule which is Default level and it's avionics crippled. I won't even add the Mustang which no one here will want without a cockpit (and the Mustang is my favorite aircraft.) If they sell the other 12 aircraft mentioned above the same way add the $180 above. Oh and no chance for any 3rd party freeware. Now you're up to $215.00. For that I can add Orbx PNW $45, Which covers a much larger area than Hawaii in much higher detail, and is not mostly ocean. With the remainder I can get a couple of Cerenado, A2A, or other high quality GA aircraft. Or I can get the PMDG NGX. or other complex airliner, scenery or utilities. Now you tell me which has the best value?

Edited March 1, 201214 yr by tf51d

I have heard from internal sources that we will be seeing dozens of aircraft released over the next few months.We will have a very large selection of aircraft from the DLC.

I hope they have newer gauges, and more contempory than the same rehash of gauges from the fs2002 era.

I have purchased some 15 dollar FSX aircraft that had the obligatory button mashing systems, but were in almost every other way such junk that I have never even reinstalled them on subsequent Re-installs of FSX. Value is where you find it.Speaking further of value, how much does several islands of detailed scenery complete with airports and a plane cost in FSX?I am not sure what we are trying to prove.

OrbX Pacific Northwest is $44. It features 156,000 square miles of extremely detailed scenery, several photoreal areas and over 400 airports upgraded with custom 3D objects and accurate layouts. The quality is at least on par with Flight's Hawaii and covers an area orders of magnitudes greater.UTX USA gives you the entire continental USA in very good detail and costs $35.Of course you can find some crappy $15 aircraft that should have been released as freeware, but if you look around you can also find some great deals in the $20 range.

Now you tell me which has the best value?

There is no right or wrong answer to this, as it is completely dependant upon the way someone prefers to use these games and what sort of expectations they have. In many instances too, the quality of the components that make up a game - whether original or third party - is subjective.Personally, given the way I use flight games and in line with my expectations, Flight is the cheaper and better value route for me. To bring FSX to the same level of quality and quantity (in terms of things that matter to me) would be much more expensive than to do versus Flight.The argument that FSX contained over 24,000 airfields is used often but in my view it is a dubious one. The vast majority of them are highly generic depictions with little more than a basic runway layout and a few generic buildings. Accordingly they hold little attraction for immersive VFR operations (unless replaced by payware quality third party products) which on the other hand is a strong feature of Flight in standard form. If what we have seen in Flight so far is anything to go by, the airfields in Flight, whilst clearly vastly fewer in number, will be far higher in quality and much more accurate depictions of the real-world counterparts. One could say, therefore, that this is a classic argument of whether quality or quantity are better.

I have spent a total of $175.00 for the Hawaii scenery and airports that I have. I have added all the freeware add ons and are quite pleased with it. I rather fly it in FSX than in MS Flight. But each person has ther own preference on what they like best.

And if all of those will be a castrated as the Maule (at $15) with no working radios and no working AP..... There is not a single commercial FSX add-on that dares to ask that money for such lack of features. I am blown away that people are not upset about that. Must be me.

The radios work in the Maule. There just isn't a ATC to hear (yet).To use a word like "castrated" to describe Flight's Maule is way too strong, when the only main thing that doesn't work in the aircraft itself is the autopilot.

Edited March 1, 201214 yr by Arwen

Your kidding right? For $29.95 I can pick up FSX Gold with the whole world cover (If I didn't already have it), including 24000 airports, 1200 of them detailed, high quality 3rd party freeware available, about 27 default level aircraft, with thousands of 3rd party freeware available real time weather, ATC, AI traffic, a SDK. Now Look at Flight, $20.00 for Hawaii alone and 2 default level aircraft, add 15 for the Maule which is Default level and it's avionics crippled. I won't even add the Mustang which no one here will want without a cockpit (and the Mustang is my favorite aircraft.) If they sell the other 12 aircraft mentioned above the same way add the $180 above. Oh and no chance for any 3rd party freeware. Now you're up to $215.00. For that I can add Orbx PNW $45, Which covers a much larger area than Hawaii in much higher detail, and is not mostly ocean. With the remainder I can get a couple of Cerenado, A2A, or other high quality GA aircraft. Or I can get the PMDG NGX. or other complex airliner, scenery or utilities. Now you tell me which has the best value?

Its an Apples to Oranges comparison. Even the price for FSX and acceleration would be wrong because those prices only exist after years of depreciation, and FLIGHT is new. Likewise, the land coverage area of Hawaii 6,423 sq mi is not inconsiderable.Essentially you are bringing in a raft of third party examples that in aggregate cost much exceed all of the product being discussed, then added in hypothetical other aircraft that have not even seen the light of day yet, much less announced their prices.And even then.....It comes to nothing because its how you parse it. Its a whole different business model, a whole different era, a whole different market....Apples to oranges.

Edited March 1, 201214 yr by HiFlyer'

You're ignoring the fact that Flight and FSX are not equal products out of the gate. Not even close. Yes, FSX and Acceleration cost more, but you get an almost indescribable amount of stuff that isn't included in FLIGHT.

Who defines value? In this case, It will be MS and the people who either buy or do not buy into this new iteration of the franchise.My own feeling it that there will be a lot of bitterness about those numbers.