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Maule flying way too fast?

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I notice that even at MP and RPM at 23 square the Maule easily cruises beyond the middle of the yellow arc... The checklist even states I should be using full throttle which I guess would keep me in constant overspeed. I have flaps at -7 but even at 0 I fly too fast. Not that I mind, but it feels something is wrong? Even when I climb I easily get into yellow all the time. Anyone else noticing the same?

 

Example:

 

070956_Maule speed.jpg

Yeah, the speed throttle effect is badly reproduced and as you stated when you are at 100% you find yourself cruising at 180 knots which is ridiculous for a Maule. Constant heavy overspeed.

 

Then, the stress failure missing feature adds an arcade overall touch here and there.

 

 

Like Joshua states, everyone can fly, just because there are no damages, no speed restrictions, no flight physics, no rules and few bugs here and there.

Agreed! I thought it seemed a little too fast also.

JP1018

 

I would not really expect much from an in house flight addon, details like this are not really important to the developers. I will be proven wrong if they fix these issues, but I doubt it.

 

 

Guys...

 

 

Dimensions

  • The M-6-235 measures 23.6 feet long and 6.33 feet high, with a 3.54 foot wide cabin. It has a wingspan measuring 32.92 feet, and the wing area measures 165.6 square feet. It uses a 78-inch Hartzell two-blade propeller. The plane has a gross weight of 2,500 pounds, with an empty weight of 1,500 pounds and a a useful load of 1,000 pounds. The baggage allowance for the plane is 700 pounds.

Take Off and Landing

  • The plane has a takeoff roll of 125 feet. At its gross weight, the plane requires 600 feet of runway clearance to take off over a 50-foot obstacle and 500 feet of runway space to land over the the same obstacle. The aircraft has a rate of climb of 1,900 feet per minute, and its best climb speed is 90 mph.

In Flight

  • The M-6-235's wing flaps can be set at negative seven, zero, 24, 40 or 48 degrees. The carbureted plane has a maximum speed of 166 mph, and the fuel-injected plane can travel up to 170 mph. Its cruising speed, at 75 percent of power, is 160 mph. Service ceiling, or maximum altitude, is 20,000 feet.
    The plane has a usable fuel capacity of 40 gallons. At 75 percent power, 13 gallons of fuel per hour are used. The carbureted plane can travel up to 490 miles with a reserve tank, or up to 860 miles with a long-range reserve tank. The fuel-injected plane can fly for 530 miles and 930 miles with the same tanks.

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Truthfully, it's the artwork that's incorrect! The "yellow band" is simply too long. There should be a white band inbetween the green and yellow bands. The yellow band should begin about 170 MPH...

 

Consider that the normal cruise speed is 164 MPH or 142.5 kias. Your screenshot's tooltip is showing 142 kias, which is correct!

 

EDIT: the information in the first paragraph was incorrect. Sorry!

Fr. Bill    

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Truthfully, it's the artwork that's incorrect! The "yellow band" is simply too long. There should be a white band inbetween the green and yellow bands. The yellow band should begin about 170 MPH...

 

Consider that the normal cruise speed is 164 MPH or 142.5 kias. Your screenshot's tooltip is showing 142 kias, which is correct!

 

Ok! That's good to know, thanks! Pity we can't edit things like that ourselves now... :wink:

Truthfully, it's the artwork that's incorrect! The "yellow band" is simply too long. There should be a white band inbetween the green and yellow bands. The yellow band should begin about 170 MPH...

 

Consider that the normal cruise speed is 164 MPH or 142.5 kias. Your screenshot's tooltip is showing 142 kias, which is correct!

 

Are you certain that VNO on the Maule is 170mph? I don't have the specs in front of me, so I don't know.

 

And why a white band in-between? On the planes I've flown, the white band was consistently used to indicate the flap operating range. I've never seen a white band between the green and yellow bands on the handful of planes I've flown, but my personal experience is certainly limited.

Sorry, I posted the M6 instead of M7 data...

 

Find it all here...

 

http://www.mauleflight.com/

 

After all, the model in FLIGHT is really operating very close to the real thing!!!!

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fwiw.

 

 

 

I would not really expect much from an in house flight addon, details like this are not really important to the developers. I will be proven wrong if they fix these issues, but I doubt it.

 

Wow lights must be off... someone turn them on please.

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Are you certain that VNO on the Maule is 170mph? I don't have the specs in front of me, so I don't know.

 

And why a white band in-between? On the planes I've flown, the white band was consistently used to indicate the flap operating range. I've never seen a white band between the green and yellow bands on the handful of planes I've flown, but my personal experience is certainly limited.

I was looking at a very low res photo earlier in which it appeared to be a "white band" but that was obviously a trick of light. I found this somewhat better photo that does show the real world "yellow band" extending from ~183 MPH down to ~148 MPH.

 

http://www.aerobatic.../n5655jpic1.JPG

 

Oddly enough, even AOPA's article has nothing listed for either VNO or VNE...

 

http://data.aopa2.or...tl.cfm?ac_id=38

 

Nonetheless however, the point remains that the sim is perfoming within the published specs.

Fr. Bill    

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Thanks Ozzie. I knew I'd read that somewhere, just hadn't pulled up the POH to check yet.

 

When faced with a discrepancy between a Flight checklist and what I expect to be normal operations, I'll ignore the checklist. I've been flying cruise at about 17 inches Hg on the throttle to get right at 128 knots indicated airspeed. I may pull the throttle back to around 15 to get 100 knots for a bit more fuel economy.

 

Before the update flying anything over 100 knots made the roll twitchy, and it got worse the faster you flew. I haven't tried it since the update.

 

Hook

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I would not really expect much from an in house flight addon, details like this are not really important to the developers. I will be proven wrong if they fix these issues, but I doubt it.

 

Gosh, whatever you do, don't let the facts get in your way.

 

Some how seeing this type of posting just made a cold, gray Saturday morning seem a whole lot better. Thanks!

Welcome Hook.

 

 

I notice that even at MP and RPM at 23 square the Maule easily cruises beyond the middle of the yellow arc...

 

Ok Jeroen... let me try to put this into a little perspective.

 

A Warrior II uses a Lycoming O-320 rated at 160hp. Why use the Warrior? Well... it's Empty Weight is roughly 1600lbs and GW of 2400+ lbs. Very close to "our" Maule.

 

But the Maule has an IO-540 cranking out a max of 260 (rated) horsepower. So a 100hp over the Warrior with a similar (weighted) airframe.

 

Looking at the Warrior 75% Best Power setting @ 5000ft book says I should True @ 122kts.

 

So (my) thinking your setting of 23 square @ 4000' with an Indicated of 142kts... isn't far off. Only way to know "for sure" would be find out how much Hp is (supposedly) being developed for those conditions (23 square @ 4000') by looking at a Lycoming Performance Manual (for the IO-540-V4A5) and then obtaining a TAS for the Maule... which you could then plug in a formula to determine how the increase in horsepower compares with the Warrior.

 

I'm betting it's close (couple three knots or so and probably not more than 5kts which not bad for something of this nature).

 

The checklist even states I should be using full throttle which I guess would keep me in constant overspeed.

 

You sure it isn't referring to just the Climb?

 

I read (somewhere) normal operation was 75% (best power?)...

When I'm cruising in the Maule with the prop at 23 on the tachometer, flaps at -7, and the mixture leaned out to 15gph (or less), straight and level flight is usually a bit under the cruise speed even with the throttle at max, usually around 143kts, so the full throttle thing seems reasonable for cruise.

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