I've got copies of everything. :LMAO: But, now I really want an Etch-A-Sketch. No, wait, that's just a game. :LMAO:

 

Best regards.

Luis

I wish I could not say I did not see this coming. Doesn't anyone remember this is just a game?

 

(goes and finds a warm kitty to scratch)

Why not take a break?

Arwen; I sincerely hope you don’t leave these forums.

 

After all simming or playing a game are both supposed to be fun.

I have been following and an active participant on this great forum, since around March 5th. Been on Avsim much longer of course.

A statement such as this can only be a Flight fan club, or one can only post positives about Flight, is just plain wrong. Now the naysayers, those that hang around here that don't like Flight, don't run Flight, and only want to critique what it lacks for them, will love a statement like that and will gladly agree.

 

There is a big difference, in being critical of certain aspects of Flight, expressing things one would like to see - much like I did over and over the first few weeks regarding Track IR, putting together a " Big Suggestion List" as Scruffy Duck did, providing feedback in a constructive manner - versus being disparaging to those that are enjoying aspects of Flight and sharing their enjoyment.

 

I can look back at all the threads here and find plenty of examples of both of the above. There has been much critiquing of Flight that no one has a problem with and many Flight flyers agree with - however unfortunately there have been quite a few of the disparaging ones as well, from folks that probably don't give the program itself the time of day, and those really should not be tolerated.

 

The key is to rise above the chaff, and recognize the difference.

Here let me quote my opinion of Flight posted in this forum in another thread :

 

 

" After the initial curiosity and little infatuation I went back to FSX and my consistent amount of add ons.

 

I get bored of the lack of simulation aspects in Flight in favor of the cockpitless planes or WWII clones and also I got bored of the super boring missions. The Multiplayer is a no fun to me cause it is only a matter of planes acting like wasps close to the runway-nest. The aerocache hunt is time wasting and the earned XP points are only a number with no reward at all so I do not like them.

 

I would like to see if Alaska will bring the usual banal plane aka Beaver or a WWII one.

 

My 2 cents "

The last sentence of the "Rules and Conditions" of the Flight forum is "Your post can only be a request for support, a hint or help for others, or a resource for other FLIGHT enthusiasts to use." This has NEVER been strictly enforced here, yet I am now told that I must strictly adhere to it.

 

But there are plenty of threads here that have been made about how wonderful Flight is . . . that are not "a request for support, a hint or help for others, or a resource for other Flight enthusiasts to use." Why are these Flight praising threads/posts allowed, while anything that is critical of Flight is not permitted?

 

To be fair, both ends of the spectrum need to be equally enforced. This is the balance that I have attempted to maintain, and is what I am now being condemned for.

 

Definition of Bias (http://oxforddiction...definition/bias): "cause to feel or show inclination or prejudice for or against someone or something: readers said the paper was biased towards the Conservatives; editors were biased against authors from provincial universities."

 

What I have posted in this froum has been anything but biased . . . since I have stated both what I feel has been good and not-so-good about Flight. Only posting always in support of Flight (and not being able to express anything that is wrong about Flight) would however be bias.

 

This does not mean that it is ok to flame Flight. But I feel that a member here, who is unhappy with the direction that Flight appears to be going (such as all the new DLC only being the non-cockpit basic versions) should be just as free to post their unhappiness/disappointment, as someone who wants to post how much they love Flight.

To be honest I expect my post to be deleted or as it has already happened I will be banned from one post only...

 

Following own ideas and not following the herd ones is always a source of proud for me.

Arwen, I don't know what more I could say.

One could easily define Louis' post as a resource for other Flight users.

I think you are flying at about 1k ft, when you should be flying about 30k ft so to speak...

Arwen, I don't know what more I could say.

One could easily define Louis' post as a resource for other Flight users.

I think you are flying at about 1k ft, when you should be flying about 30k ft so to speak...

 

Arwen does not need me to chime to help her that's for sure, so take this as an indie statement.

 

You should wash your brain before speaking against Arwen also because you do not know her skills and her huge contribution to Flight and the " flying community ". It is clear you are in your early teen so I forgive you but try to stay in this planet while you are speaking please.

I don't want to appear as the Arwen's defender, also because she surely doesn't need one.

But I find very funny the dynamics that appears here.

 

Let's see. The original post by Luis, full of emoticons, proudly says:

"Yes, I know what you are thinking... Yet another 15-year old gamer. :LMAO: But, you know what? Who cares what you think? :Loser:"

 

Someone answers with the same light tone, by citing a funny game surely appreciated by certain demographic.

But, instead that continuing the joking exchange, some people seem really offended (so, at the end, someone actually cares what the others think :Idea: )

 

And, as usually, the attacks to the moderator start, asking for a tolerance zero attitude, SO distant from the original soft tone of the thread. What can we think, that the only allowed jokes should be strictly one-way? Why don't relax a bit, also considering that we are all adults here (until we don't open the famous Pilot Wings section...)?

 

A.

Dictionary definition of Resource: "Something that can be used for support or help: The local library is a valuable resource."

 

If I am to held to the strict adherence of the "Rules and Conditions," that also means that I have to apply the strict definition of the word, not the "spirit" of it.

What is going on in this sub forum?

 

I pop in here from time to time to see what is happening in the world of flight and all I see is harsh warnings and people being concerned about insta-bans, insta-bans not for abuse but for discussing certain rules or something (I am quite confused). Now I hear this sub forum is only for a help resource and we can't discuss our likes and dislikes?

 

Is this some sort of Microsoft pressure deal or has Avsim had enough of open flight discussions? I really am confused (not even sure if this post is ban worthy anymore...?), what a harsh enviroment for a usually civil forum (avsim forums) I respect so much. Maybe I should just stick to the payware sub-forums.

 

I would be appreciative if someone could enlighten me on what is going on (is that allowed in here?..).

What is going on in this sub forum?

 

I pop in here from time to time to see what is happening in the world of flight and all I see is harsh warnings and people being concerned about insta-bans, insta-bans not for abuse but for discussing certain rules or something (I am quite confused). Now I hear this sub forum is only for a help resource and we can't discuss our likes and dislikes?

 

Is this some sort of Microsoft pressure deal or has Avsim had enough of open flight discussions? I really am confused (not even sure if this post is ban worthy anymore...?), what a harsh enviroment for a usually civil forum (avsim forums) I respect so much. Maybe I should just stick to the payware sub-forums.

 

I would be appreciative if someone could enlighten me on what is going on (is that allowed in here?..).

 

Sorry about the confusion here, Honestly, I am also a bit confused about what has happened over the past few days . . . and why it happened.

 

This is my (limited, and likely bias) understanding:

 

I posting that I agreed completely with what a member posted in another thread, about the direction that Flight (and this forum) were apparently heading. And the post was not very flattering to either. I also stated that if Flight did not begin expanding on its simulation aspects (as opposed to just the gaming aspects), that I would not be staying with Flight, but would move on (this would happen sometime in the distant future, if I ever felt that Flight would never be anything more than a simplified flightsim/game).

 

Then I was criticized by some of Flight's biggest fans for posting such anti-Flight thoughts, and was told that a moderator was held to "higher standards." I was accused of "no longer liking Flight," and my position as a moderator was questioned. And it went downhill from there.

 

The last sentence of the "Rules and Conditions" of the Flight forum is "Your post can only be a request for support, a hint or help for others, or a resource for other FLIGHT enthusiasts to use." This has NEVER been strictly enforced here, yet I am now told that I must strictly adhere to it. Yet when I tried to apply those exact same rules and conditions to this new thread (because the original post did not meet the above rules), my post was removed/hidden.

 

So I have now concluded that the Flight forum "Rules and Conditions" do not apply to post that praise/promote Flight, but only to the posts that criticize Flight. I am a firm believer in treating people as equals, and respecting the opinions of others . . . even ones that I personally disagree with. So I have always tried to be fair and unbiased as a moderator, but now I feel like I am being asked to allow Flight fans to post just about anything, while pretty much restricting any post that criticizes anything about Flight. This doesn't mean that I approve of (or have allowed) posts that just flame Flight.

 

I am not willing to do that, so I have asked to be removed as a moderator.

I make music on my PC and I use Cakewalk's Sonar Producer 8.5. I could have used Cubase too, but I like Sonar more. Now guess which forum I visit: the Sonar forum or the Cubase forum...?

 

Cakewalk released a new version called Sonar X1. I don't like it and I don't need it. Cakewalk has seperate forums for Sonar Producer and Sonar X1. Now guess which forum I visit: the Sonar Producer forum or the Sonar X1 forum...?

 

Now let's bring it a bit closer. I love Flight and it's my main GA sim right now. I don't fly in FSX at all anymore (although I still have it installed for the PMDG 737NGX). Now guess which forum I visit: the MS Flight forum or the FSX forum...?

 

How many people who don't like Flight post about their dislikes on the Flight forum and how many people who DO like Flight post about that on the FSX forum?

 

This is how I see it. You like something and you want to talk about it. Share experiences, tips, hints, fun things to do, but also problems you have with it, be it technical or whatever. So you go to a forum to find people who also like what you like and you have a great time talking about it. Sometimes discussion may get heated because, as always, opinions may be different. But that's not a problem because you are all LIKE the subject of the forum.

 

If you visit a forum because you do NOT like the subject of it, you are there for the wrong reasons... SImple as that.

 

I see that Arwen posted something in the meantime. If you read the "Rules and conditions' well you see exactly what I am talking about above: this forum is for other FLIGHT enthusiasts. That says it all crystal clear. This forum just like any other forum, is created for people who LIKE the subject. Not for those who do not play it or don't like it or whatever.

 

It's quite simple, really... It is so simple that I even understand and don't mind that posts from fans are allowed and posts from haters are moderated earlier. It's logical. There is no harm in being enthusiastic about something, but there is harm is not liking the subject of the forum. There is no harm in simply posting 'I love those shadows' but there is harm in simply posting 'The shadows suck'. Again, the forum is meant for enthusiasts. There is no freedom of speech here, as some people think. This forum should be a fun place for Flight lovers and imho that fun should be protected and if that means that lots of negative posts will be removed without notice: AVSIM has my approval.

 

I don't come here everyday to read CRAP but to talk about my beloved hobby.

I am not willing to do that, so I have asked to be removed as a moderator

 

Hello

Sorry to hear that Arwen, they win again