ILS Approach Santos Dumont - Rio de Janeiro

[maranduba 0]

Hello virtual pilots!

Did someone already tried on FSX the ILS approach into Santos Dumont - Rio de Janeiro? So far was not able to land on the runway 20R or 20L, it seems that the ILS frequency 111.10 is not alined with the runway. Any input from you guys?

Regards, Johannes

[VirginAus737 0]

Have you got your course set and the "APP" button and A/P engaged?

[Richiebacardi 1]

Hello...

I just had a quick glance at a chart and noticed the localiser is offset. Does this answer your Q?

[Matheus 0]

It isn't an ILS approach, it's just a LOC, no G/S. So you won't be able to do an auto land.

 

Matheus Barbosa

[cmpbellsjc 697]

And if you really want a hand flying challenge, try the right base to final approach/landing to runway 02R.

 

 

Sean Campbell

[maranduba 0]

Thanks for all your immediate replies, you guys must have the flying bug! Understand that the LOC is offset and no autolanding possible. Also tried it from the Int. Airport Galeão taking off in a Cessana, just to check the LOC. I know that the 02 approach is a handful but will try it.

Thanks again, Johannes

[MrPlaneDriver 41]

In theory, we now have a "GPS ILS" approach to SBRJ. New RNP approaches were made for runways 02R and 20L. The final approach path is a curve, just like a visual traffic pattern would be, but the minimums are 300ft and can be flown by any RNP-capable aircraft. These approaches are RNP 0,1 (0,1nm tolerance for lateral deviation) and use radius-to-fix to make airplanes turn at a specific radius between two fixes, instead of flying a straight line between them. It's almost an ILS CAT I approach, but curved. You can see the approach plates here and here.

[maranduba 0]

Dear Matheus, thank you for your input on this issue. Rgds. Johannes

[teopereira 24]

That's the most common approach for the 20L:

 

The chart: http://www.aisweb.aer.mil.br/arquivos/cartas/emenda/sbrj_iac_rnav--gnss--a-rwy-02-20_20111020.pdf?CFID=3df79467-55b9-4970-b808-0b21152a5513&CFTOKEN=0

[ryanbatcund 2,227]

Is there new scenery for this area? I thought I saw it but maybe it was a preview?

[PGBosak 4]

That's the most common approach for the 20L:

 

The chart: http://www.aisweb.ae...a5513&CFTOKEN=0

 

What is this at 03:45 til 03:50 passing the aircraft on the right hand side really fast?

[teopereira 24]

What is this at 03:45 til 03:50 passing the aircraft on the right hand side really fast?

 

Bird flocks (vultures?). See at 4:00.

[PGBosak 4]

Bird flocks (vultures?). See at 4:00.

 

not the birds, im mean this:

 

 

[james008 0]

probably a departing traffic from Galeão International Airport, just taken off from runway 10 with right turn inbound to São Paulo terminal or inbound to Brazil south region...

[teopereira 24]

not the birds, im mean this:

 

 

 

It's a vulture. The pilot comments: "look, there is a bird there"... Some seconds after: "there's a flock right in front, can you see?" Then he jokes they ended with the birds fun and inform the tower about "many birds on approach"

[coa1117 47]

The RNAV(RNP) 02R approach is a lot of fun, and I've had way more success with this than the others.

 

As the Navigraph AIRAC doesn't yet contain these approaches (or even the fixes), I worked out the GPS values for the fixes as published here on page ENR 1.5-3. Note that I didn't include AFSNB (IAF) or MIA (MA hold point) because they're already in the Navigraph data. Paste these into the FIXES section of the "SBRJ.txt" file in your SIDSTARS folder, then manually enter the fixes (along with their corresponding altitude values) into the FMC as per the chart.

 

FIX RJ088 LATLON S 22 53.26333 W 43 16.75166
FIX RJ089 LATLON S 22 54.05333 W 43 13.40666
FIX RJ091 LATLON S 22 54.795 W 43 12.17333
FIX RJ092 LATLON S 22 55.92666 W 43 11.69166
FIX RJ093 LATLON S 22 55.79333 W 43 9.695
FIX RJ094 LATLON S 22 53.48833 W 43 9.845
FIX RJ096 LATLON S 22 51.03833 W 43 5.345
FIX RJ099 LATLON S 22 53.325 W 43 6.92

 

I have no idea how to enter the approach procedure in the "Approaches" section of the file. If someone else does, I hope you'll step up.

 

Not sure these are absolutely needed, but I also entered the fixes into the "wpnavfix.txt" file as follows. This took some time as the fixes are sorted in order of their LAT value. Took about 5 minutes to copy and paste them into their correct order in the sort.

 

RJ088				 RJ088-22.887722 -43.279194
RJ089				 RJ089-22.900888 -43.223444
RJ091				 RJ091-22.913250 -43.202888
RJ092				 RJ092-22.932111 -43.194861
RJ093				 RJ093-22.929888 -43.161583
RJ094				 RJ094-22.891472 -43.164083
RJ096				 RJ096-22.850638 -43.089083
RJ099				 RJ099-22.888750 -43.115333

[PGBosak 4]

As the Navigraph AIRAC doesn't yet contain these approaches (or even the fixes)

 

Did you try the second revision of the actual 1207 AIRAC Cycle?

 

 

It's a vulture. The pilot comments: "look, there is a bird there"... Some seconds after: "there's a flock right in front, can you see?" Then he jokes they ended with the birds fun and inform the tower about "many birds on approach"

 

Hmm, very fast bird, maybe a klingon bird of pray? :Thinking:

[coa1117 47]

Did you try the second revision of the actual 1207 AIRAC Cycle?

Yeah. Unless I'm going blind I don't see the RNAV(RNP) 02R fixes in there.

[cmpbellsjc 697]

I have no idea how to enter the approach procedure in the "Approaches" section of the file. If someone else does, I hope you'll step up.

 

I think Ryan and Dan Downs know how to write those. Maybe if they see this thread they could post the way to write or format it to show up in the approaches section.

 

Jim Burke

[cmpbellsjc 697]

The RNAV(RNP) 02R approach is a lot of fun, and I've had way more success with this than the others.

 

As the Navigraph AIRAC doesn't yet contain these approaches (or even the fixes), I worked out the GPS values for the fixes as published here on page ENR 1.5-3. Note that I didn't include AFSNB (IAF) or MIA (MA hold point) because they're already in the Navigraph data. Paste these into the FIXES section of the "SBRJ.txt" file in your SIDSTARS folder, then manually enter the fixes (along with their corresponding altitude values) into the FMC as per the chart.

 

FIX RJ088 LATLON S 22 53.26333 W 43 16.75166
FIX RJ089 LATLON S 22 54.05333 W 43 13.40666
FIX RJ091 LATLON S 22 54.795 W 43 12.17333
FIX RJ092 LATLON S 22 55.92666 W 43 11.69166
FIX RJ093 LATLON S 22 55.79333 W 43 9.695
FIX RJ094 LATLON S 22 53.48833 W 43 9.845
FIX RJ096 LATLON S 22 51.03833 W 43 5.345
FIX RJ099 LATLON S 22 53.325 W 43 6.92

 

I have no idea how to enter the approach procedure in the "Approaches" section of the file. If someone else does, I hope you'll step up.

 

Not sure these are absolutely needed, but I also entered the fixes into the "wpnavfix.txt" file as follows. This took some time as the fixes are sorted in order of their LAT value. Took about 5 minutes to copy and paste them into their correct order in the sort.

 

RJ088				 RJ088-22.887722 -43.279194
RJ089				 RJ089-22.900888 -43.223444
RJ091				 RJ091-22.913250 -43.202888
RJ092				 RJ092-22.932111 -43.194861
RJ093				 RJ093-22.929888 -43.161583
RJ094				 RJ094-22.891472 -43.164083
RJ096				 RJ096-22.850638 -43.089083
RJ099				 RJ099-22.888750 -43.115333

 

Thanks so much for posting that info. I've always flown it by hand visually since I didn't have any sort of actual lateral guidance and pretty much just went off of what I have witnessed when watching this being flown in real life. However, sometimes I fly the downwind leg a little too close to the airport and then have to make a harder left turn over Flamengo so that I dont get to close to Suger Loaf and give myself time to get lined up with 02R. It's a real fun approach to fly in the sim and is pretty rewarding to fly it perfectly and touch down right past the guard shack that sits next to 02R. It's a lot of fun watching the planes land on 02R in real life as well. In the US you would never be able to get that close to watch the way security is in the US.

 

As far as getting the approach programmed so that the FMC recognizes it, we will probably have to ask Ryan or one of the other guys who is familiar with writing the syntax in the note pad. At least with the info you gave we can now program the approach but it would be cool to save it as well so we didn't need to input it every time.

 

Sean Campbell

[coa1117 47]

At least with the info you gave we can now program the approach but it would be cool to save it as well so we didn't need to input it every time.

 

Exactly. And, does anyone know how changes are initiated in the Navigraph AIRACs? Do suggested changes have to come from an add-on company like PMDG, or can anyone propose additions?

 

On another note, how well the fixes in this approach work for you will probably be dependent on which scenery addons you have. In my case the approach as published brings me a bit too close for comfort to those high hills south of the runway and west of Sugar Loaf. I've also got a skyscraper extremely close to the flight path on the left side.

 

This approach is way more challenging than, e.g, the CTL LOWI 08, because when you finally complete the turn you have very little time to correct for altitude or runway alignment issues. But, that's what makes it fun. :)

[MrPlaneDriver 41]

As far as getting the approach programmed so that the FMC recognizes it, we will probably have to ask Ryan or one of the other guys who is familiar with writing the syntax in the note pad.

 

It's not as hard as it seems. I've created waypoints and procedures for an airport here in Brazil that is not in Navigraph's database: SBGP Gavião Peixoto, which belongs to Embraer. I can try to program the waypoints and procedures for these approaches for you. I can start tomorrow and should be ready in a day or so.

 

On another note, how well the fixes in this approach work for you will probably be dependent on which scenery addons you have. In my case the approach as published brings me a bit too close for comfort to those high hills south of the runway and west of Sugar Loaf. I've also got a skyscraper extremely close to the flight path on the left side.

 

In default FSX scenery, the buildings west of the airport are way too high. Some reach above 1000ft. Regarding terrain, I think they are in the right places and altitudes, but I haven't checked that.

[cmpbellsjc 697]

Not sure these are absolutely needed, but I also entered the fixes into the "wpnavfix.txt" file as follows. This took some time as the fixes are sorted in order of their LAT value. Took about 5 minutes to copy and paste them into their correct order in the sort.

 

RJ088 RJ088-22.887722 -43.279194

RJ089 RJ089-22.900888 -43.223444

RJ091 RJ091-22.913250 -43.202888

RJ092 RJ092-22.932111 -43.194861

RJ093 RJ093-22.929888 -43.161583

RJ094 RJ094-22.891472 -43.164083

RJ096 RJ096-22.850638 -43.089083

RJ099 RJ099-22.888750 -43.115333

 

 

I am going to place these as well, but is it necessary to put them in order or can I just put them at the bottom of the list? And if they need to go in order did you just insert them between the -22.xxx coordinates, meaning which ever would make those go in sequential order?

 

Thanks

 

Sean Campbell

[coa1117 47]

I am going to place these as well, but is it necessary to put them in order or can I just put them at the bottom of the list? And if they need to go in order did you just insert them between the -22.xxx coordinates, meaning which ever would make those go in sequential order?

 

Sean,

 

I looked at the "wpnavfix.txt" file and saw that the fixes are ordered by LAT value out to 6 decimal places. Not knowing if it is required or not, but figuring it was best to do so, I placed each fix individually in proper order according to its LAT value. There are only 8 fixes, so it's a quick job.

 

Example:

 

RJ089 RJ089-22.900888 -43.223444

DINA DINA -22.900584 -43.208583

PINO PINO -22.898167 -46.031500

CWAWC CWAWC-22.897875 118.572042

ESRAV ESRAV-22.896389 32.935834

MUBSI MUBSI-22.895167 -44.248167

UVMER UVMER-22.895084 -47.291222

UVKIK UVKIK-22.892778 15.169722

TEMEV TEMEV-22.892500 -46.034000

RJ094 RJ094-22.891472 -43.164083

LIRA LIRA -22.889000 -43.287500

RJ099 RJ099-22.888750 -43.115333

MALE MALE -22.888472 -43.415806

RJ088 RJ088-22.887722 -43.279194

 

Someone else may know whether or not this is necessary.

[cmpbellsjc 697]

Sean,

 

I looked at the "wpnavfix.txt" file and saw that the fixes are ordered by LAT value out to 6 decimal places. Not knowing if it is required or not, but figuring it was best to do so, I placed each fix individually in proper order according to its LAT value. There are only 8 fixes, so it's a quick job.

 

 

Someone else may know whether or not this is necessary.

 

Thanks Jev, I guess I will do those the same as well just to be safe.