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Should be called the *rap, not the map. It is useless.

 

Can we have a scale marker?

Can we have proper topo?

Can we have a search?

Can we have a selectable level of detail when zoomed out?

Can we have a proper filter?

 

I know some of this has all been articulated already by others, but....I can't even FIND the base I am trying to job to! (anyone know where Icy Bay is?! It's 209NM from PAGS)

 

thanks :smile:

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Can we have a scale marker?

Can we have proper topo?

Can we have a search?

Can we have a selectable level of detail when zoomed out?

Can we have a proper filter?

 

+1

 

But please don't forget to email msflight@microsoft.com with this suggestion.

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If you have the ICAO code for your destination, plug it in here: http://www.airnav.com/airports/

 

Then click on the Sectional chart image to the right to load the entire area.

 

EDIT: Found it! It's on a little bay right where the eastern border of Alaska comes straight down from the north and starts to follow the coast.

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Thanks, Ray..I'm using Skyvector for same..Even though I now know where it is, it is still really hard to find on the in-game map!

 

EDIT: found it. You have to zoom to the very highest level to even see it.

 

Bit of a fail, MS, if your hard-won casual "gamers" have to resort to using sectionals and airport directories (which they won't even know exist unless they are already pilots or savvy flight simmers LOL)

 

Better give us some ATIS while you're at it (couldn't care less about ATC..who needs it in AK!)

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+1 The map really does need some work. I think it would be great if once you decide to do a job is shows a direct route on the map, it would make it alot easier to make a flight plan using vor stations ect. Its far to frustrating to find airports at the moment. Im using www.airnav.com/airports to find airports and plan flights.

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The casual players are ignoring most of this and landing on radar dishes, flying down into crevasses, and landing on rooftops. :LMAO:

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EDIT: found it. You have to zoom to the very highest level to even see it.

 

Bit of a fail, MS, if your hard-won casual "gamers" have to resort to using sectionals and airport directories (which they won't even know exist unless they are already pilots or savvy flight simmers LOL)

 

Well, those "casual gamers" will probably either point the spinny thingy at the glowing yellow thingy in the sky or just hit the N key. :(

 

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Well, those "casual gamers" will probably either point the spinny thingy at the glowing yellow thingy in the sky or just hit the N key. :sad:

 

Well you have to start somewhere. The alternative may be a shrinking niche slowly fading away.

 

I don't think anybody would not appreciate a better map, though.

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LOL..indeed, but then why put all the stuff in it that it has? Who needs to know what a VOR is if you are only flying through barn doors? They and the ILS were put in there to teach ppl to navigate. Ppl who navigate in aviation in RL get proper charts, so they can cross-reference their route against fixed points..we can't even look at ours in-mission. If you don't know where your job is, and you can't use VOR, or there are none useful to you on your route; how do you know where to go?

Are we forced to land on radar dishes? :smile:

 

It's the FLIGHT is an enema enigma thread again..it's got all this stuff in its cfg files that we don't use, and NDB, and and, and..it has a map like you get on a Sky News VT section (even they use the MICROSOFT virtual globe!) c'mon guys, please :) AK needs it!

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(couldn't care less about ATC..who needs it in AK!)

 

I guess you wouldn't need ATC in "Flight's Alaska" because it doesn't have any AI traffic to worry about. But flying into i.e Anchorage in real life or FSX I think ATC would be very important. Got lots of traffic in FSX there, civil and military.

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Agreed. But then I'd do it in FSX if I was that bothered about it..

 

FSX' ATC sucketh hard. RC4 is a system hogger like no other, but with the freeware addons can be good. VATSIM is a bit scary as I mostly fly GA and they don't like GA much..

tbh, and I know it makes it more "immersive" and all that, but I rarely fly in areas that would have heavy ATC anyway, in FSX and now in FLIGHT..In FSX I either just ignore the ATC and just get vectors for the landing RWY or leave it off..

 

There's many more things wrong with, and I would like to see fixed or added, in FLIGHT than ATC...The map being a seemingly easy one to tweak..Who knows what the priorities are...

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VATSIM is a bit scary as I mostly fly GA and they don't like GA much..

 

 

Haven't have any problems with GA on vatsim, I think the controllers are very helpful to newbies.

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Well you have to start somewhere. The alternative may be a shrinking niche slowly fading away.

 

Absolutely. I actually am pleased with the way Flight is opening doors to novices that have been creeping further and further closed with each generation of FS.

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Absolutely. I actually am pleased with the way Flight is opening doors to novices that have been creeping further and further closed with each generation of FS.

 

+1

That is a very good thing!

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Absolutely. I actually am pleased with the way Flight is opening doors to novices that have been creeping further and further closed with each generation of FS.

 

That's good if It does, for me It was ROF that got me into this addictive hobby 8-9 months ago.

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And boy oh boy is it addictive! I'm lucky my missus likes watching so much tv...

 

anyway, back OT...

 

a compass rose, too...

 

the most important thing for me would be to be able to use it to plan missions in an overview and quickly find airfields and navaids..I've got used to using skyvector now; it's ace..I don't know if I want a 'you are here' moving map anymore...might spoil some of the fun..:)

 

And Jose, I'm going to email them right after I land at Icy Bay..I emailed them a few times before and as yet not even had a 'you emailed MSGS' email..

 

PAGS-19AK..what a trip! Glaciers! Frozen lakes! Bears! Ok, no bears, but you get the picture...:)

 

 

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And boy oh boy is it addictive! I'm lucky my missus likes watching so much tv...

 

anyway, back OT...

 

a compass rose, too...

 

the most important thing for me would be to be able to use it to plan missions in an overview and quickly find airfields and navaids..I've got used to using skyvector now; it's ace..I don't know if I want a 'you are here' moving map anymore...might spoil some of the fun..:)

 

And Jose, I'm going to email them right after I land at Icy Bay..I emailed them a few times before and as yet not even had a 'you emailed MSGS' email..

 

PAGS-19AK..what a trip! Glaciers! Frozen lakes! Bears! Ok, no bears, but you get the picture...:)

 

 

Sent from the FondleSlab using Tapatalk

 

Saw a HUGE black bear ambling across a field next to me as I drove home yesterday. (random interjection)

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I am tempted to print out some of the map found in FSX...

 

Why? So you can show how bad It is and what we have in Flight is so good that It don't need an update? Just curious...

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I truly wonder what MS had on mind when they designed that map?

 

Kindergarden kiddies?

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Why? So you can show how bad It is and what we have in Flight is so good that It don't need an update? Just curious...

At least with the FSX map I will have a good topographical map. For me, while flying in Alaska, that is sufficient

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Ok, just wanted to know what your intention was with that statement. As for me I use paper maps but I wish they had some kind of search function to find the airport Im looking for in MS Flight.

I like the way it is in FSX, there I don't need the ingame map.

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If I had to guess, I'd guess the map was never designed or intended for navigation. It was only a graphical menu for the various missions and challenge courses, and it just happened to have all the airports so we could check the job boards. It works as a menu. It doesn't work as a map.

 

For latecomers to the forum, at one time we saw screen shots from a developer's blog of an early version of the map. It was detailed and had color coded elevation levels, similar to the moving map in the Icon, or FSX's map although an improvement to that one. I have no idea why we ended up with the crude hand-drawn map we have now, unless they really didn't intend for it to be used for navigation.

 

Too bad runwayfinder.com is gone. It had the best maps and flight planner I've ever seen. I was using that instead of the flight planner in FSX. I didn't need it in Hawaii, but it would sure be useful in Alaska.

 

Skyvector is... well... an improvement on the Flight map if you want to navigate. Mostly a pain in the tush.

 

GMap looks like it might be good some day, but doesn't appear ready for prime time yet. I suspect it's already better than any GPS we'll see in Flight, but I hope I'm proven wrong. I would prefer a 2D GPS panel and I'll bet we never see one in Flight.

 

vfrmap.com seems to have the best scrolling map so far, but isn't useful for flight planning unless there are a lot of features I haven't found yet. My last couple of flights I had it running in the background where I could refer to it easily. Looks like that's going to be my chart of choice for a while, unless someone comes up with something better.

 

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If I had to guess, I'd guess the map was never designed or intended for navigation. It was only a graphical menu for the various missions and challenge courses, and it just happened to have all the airports so we could check the job boards. It works as a menu. It doesn't work as a map.

 

For latecomers to the forum, at one time we saw screen shots from a developer's blog of an early version of the map. It was detailed and had color coded elevation levels, similar to the moving map in the Icon, or FSX's map although an improvement to that one. I have no idea why we ended up with the crude hand-drawn map we have now, unless they really didn't intend for it to be used for navigation.

 

My thoughts exactly. It's a menu, not a map. If we were really supposed to navigate with it, we could open it during Jobs and Missions.

 

Skyvector is... well... an improvement on the Flight map if you want to navigate. Mostly a pain in the tush.

 

I've tried to use it a couple of times and found it sluggish and frustrating, usually followed by unresponsive.

 

vfrmap.com seems to have the best scrolling map so far, but isn't useful for flight planning unless there are a lot of features I haven't found yet.

 

I suspect the lack of features may be part of why it loads and scrolls so well. I use this when I don't have my paper charts to look at, or if I need to capture an image of a chart area.

 

My last couple of flights I had it running in the background where I could refer to it easily. Looks like that's going to be my chart of choice for a while, unless someone comes up with something better.

 

I'm staying old-school with paper VFR charts and doing my flight planning with a plotter, notepad and pencil.

 

I know that isn't really viable for everyone, though. We do need a usable electronic option that doesn't require an expense larger than the sim itself.

 

I think GMap looks like the best hope, but it does need some work to get there. I will be spending some money with them as soon as they get it hooked up to their Android app.

 

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My thoughts exactly. It's a menu, not a map. If we were really supposed to navigate with it, we could open it during Jobs and Missions.

 

 

 

I've tried to use it a couple of times and found it sluggish and frustrating, usually followed by unresponsive.

 

 

 

I suspect the lack of features may be part of why it loads and scrolls so well. I use this when I don't have my paper charts to look at, or if I need to capture an image of a chart area.

 

 

 

I'm staying old-school with paper VFR charts and doing my flight planning with a plotter, notepad and pencil.

 

I know that isn't really viable for everyone, though. We do need a usable electronic option that doesn't require an expense larger than the sim itself.

 

I think GMap looks like the best hope, but it does need some work to get there. I will be spending some money with them as soon as they get it hooked up to their Android app.

 

I'm using Gmap on my PC, and it works great. Just got the sectionals for Alaska installed last night.All 30 sectionals for $9.95. Can't beat that with a stick. http://fswidgets.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=55

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