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OK guys, I'm an avid FSX simmer and more or less happy with my setup. However, I am never one to say never, and while I initially didn't consider XP10 I am now actually open to at least the idea of considering the new platform. I have to say, I get pretty fed up with the blurries and low frames at some airports and it seems I spend most of my time tweaking and fiddling! So, can anyone provide me with an idea of the benefits of a switch to XP from FSX. I have to say that while I see a lot of good scenery, lots of it appears to be photosceneries, which I don't particularly care for. I don't like the clouds in XP10 either, which IMO look awful. So what is the opinion of anyone who has moved from FSX and can offer a very objective view point, cheers fellas...

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Hey Howard!

 

I was an FS franchise user since the days of FS1. I made the switch to X-Plane 10 after the whole Flight debacle and I have to say that so far XPX seems like a much better and stable platfrom than FSX. You won't get the eye candy you get from FSX in the scenery department but the sim is little by little getting there. I think that XPX represents the case of waiting longer for better quality rather than getting something now with lesser quality. Instead of providing you a comparison list which would make me feel like I'm at work, I'll give you the three things you won't immediately get with XPX:

 

1. The ATC engine albeit is there, needs a lot of work. The ATC in FSX was not anything to rave home about but at least you could complete a flight from A-Z IFR or VFR pretty easily and semi-realistically. You can with X-Plane's but it is a little more corky. Word has it that Laminar is revamping the ATC in subsequent versions.

 

2. AI Traffic. XPX allows you to have up to 20 AI aircraft roaming the skies around you but they do not follow routes like they do in FS and they use high quality aircraft that have good flight models, killing your frames. It is common to find a 747 in a tiny little airport, killing the reality factor. Airports filled with realistic AI traffic a la FSX is not a reality with XPX today. Rumor has it that a 3rd party is working on a program like X-Traffic or Project AI. Hang tight for this one.

 

3. Aircraft addon quality is 10 times better than FSX (graphics and flight models), but they are slow to come. Airport scenery eye candy quality cannot be compared to FSX. There are a couple of airport addons that are available of incredible quality that do surpass FSX's but they are few and they are usually airports not many people care about. I'd say that eventually this area will get better and payware and freeware developers will get to the same level as FSX but it's still a ways.

 

If you can deal with these three issues which I think are temporary, you'll enjoy this simulator much better than FSX.

 

Cheers.

 

Dennis

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Hi Howard

 

I too tried Xplan 10 and like the other reply you got,think

 

that the scenery in FSX/Prepar3D are way better than X10

 

However the planes are much more realistic in X10 but again are very few.

 

I left X10 and are now using Prepar3D which seems much better than FSX

 

Bye,

 

David

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I own fsx,fs9 and xpx and no offense to other xpx owners but my fs9 setup looks better than xpx. I understand that it will take $$$$ to get a good xpx setup but for now I'm still on fs9/fsx and xpx has been grounded.

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Hey Howard!

 

I was an FS franchise user since the days of FS1. I made the switch to X-Plane 10 after the whole Flight debacle and I have to say that so far XPX seems like a much better and stable platfrom than FSX. You won't get the eye candy you get from FSX in the scenery department but the sim is little by little getting there. I think that XPX represents the case of waiting longer for better quality rather than getting something now with lesser quality. Instead of providing you a comparison list which would make me feel like I'm at work, I'll give you the three things you won't immediately get with XPX:

 

1. The ATC engine albeit is there, needs a lot of work. The ATC in FSX was not anything to rave home about but at least you could complete a flight from A-Z IFR or VFR pretty easily and semi-realistically. You can with X-Plane's but it is a little more corky. Word has it that Laminar is revamping the ATC in subsequent versions.

 

2. AI Traffic. XPX allows you to have up to 20 AI aircraft roaming the skies around you but they do not follow routes like they do in FS and they use high quality aircraft that have good flight models, killing your frames. It is common to find a 747 in a tiny little airport, killing the reality factor. Airports filled with realistic AI traffic a la FSX is not a reality with XPX today. Rumor has it that a 3rd party is working on a program like X-Traffic or Project AI. Hang tight for this one.

 

3. Aircraft addon quality is 10 times better than FSX (graphics and flight models), but they are slow to come. Airport scenery eye candy quality cannot be compared to FSX. There are a couple of airport addons that are available of incredible quality that do surpass FSX's but they are few and they are usually airports not many people care about. I'd say that eventually this area will get better and payware and freeware developers will get to the same level as FSX but it's still a ways.

 

If you can deal with these three issues which I think are temporary, you'll enjoy this simulator much better than FSX.

 

Cheers.

 

Dennis

 

Thanks a bunch Dennis, your reply makes very interesting reading. I suspect your points about the future will be well founded, but the three aspects you mentioned are fairly important to me. Not so much the ATC, but the AI and visuals are paramount.

Hi Howard

 

I too tried Xplan 10 and like the other reply you got,think

 

that the scenery in FSX/Prepar3D are way better than X10

 

However the planes are much more realistic in X10 but again are very few.

 

I left X10 and are now using Prepar3D which seems much better than FSX

 

Bye,

 

David

 

David, thanks also for the reply. I have considered the jump to P3D and suspect it's a good way forward for us FSXers looking for that little bit more stability. Is there anything in P3D that you can say has really won you over David. In particular I am looking at smoothness and texture loading, cheers.

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Until the day comes...................that a particular sim has the best aircraft, the most aircraft, the best flight dynamics for every aircraft, and the best world wide scenery.......................there is NO reason to switch. Just keep an open mind, and use ALL sims............in order to enjoy what's actually possible. I don't believe in this "jumping to, moving on, or switching" stuff. If you do, you've brought on instant limitations. But that's your choice, I suppose.

 

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OK guys, I'm an avid FSX simmer and more or less happy with my setup. However, I am never one to say never, and while I initially didn't consider XP10 I am now actually open to at least the idea of considering the new platform. I have to say, I get pretty fed up with the blurries and low frames at some airports and it seems I spend most of my time tweaking and fiddling! So, can anyone provide me with an idea of the benefits of a switch to XP from FSX. I have to say that while I see a lot of good scenery, lots of it appears to be photosceneries, which I don't particularly care for. I don't like the clouds in XP10 either, which IMO look awful. So what is the opinion of anyone who has moved from FSX and can offer a very objective view point, cheers fellas...

 

Why do you have to switch from one to the other? I for one still use them all (XPX, FSX, Flight, P3D) as they all have their pros and cons. The night lighting and HDR effect in XPX are second to none. However FSX using a good jet (such as PMDGs 737 which in my opinion has no counterpart in the same league in XPX) and some nice AI traffic and maybe even FS2CREW is really how you spell "immersion".

 

I would never switch to just one of them.

 

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Why do you have to switch from one to the other? I for one still use them all (XPX, FSX, Flight, P3D) as they all have their pros and cons. The night lighting and HDR effect in XPX are second to none. However FSX using a good jet (such as PMDGs 737 which in my opinion has no counterpart in the same league in XPX) and some nice AI traffic and maybe even FS2CREW is really how you spell "immersion".

 

I would never switch to just one of them.

 

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So how do I fly my NGX in two sims along with REX, FSUIPC, LINDA, Ezdok etc etc? it would be a configuration nightmare.

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1. The ATC engine albeit is there, needs a lot of work. The ATC in FSX was not anything to rave home about but at least you could complete a flight from A-Z IFR or VFR pretty easily and semi-realistically. You can with X-Plane's but it is a little more corky. Word has it that Laminar is revamping the ATC in subsequent versions.

 

If you listened to Austin on the AVSIM Teamspeak conference, he thought ATC was fine as it is, in his words "It Rocks!" and has no plans of changing it. He stated the major changes in X-Plane for the next 24 months are planned to be with the new GUI and the 64bit implementation. All other changes he considered will be minor.

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So how do I fly my NGX in two sims along with REX, FSUIPC, LINDA, Ezdok etc etc? it would be a configuration nightmare.

 

Not really sure if I get your point here...? Flying the NGX in two sims with add ons made for just one of them? Maybe I am a bit tired but you have to elaborate on that.

 

 

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Not really sure if I get your point here...? Flying the NGX in two sims with add ons made for just one of them? Maybe I am a bit tired but you have to elaborate on that.

 

 

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Well I could just see a load of problems arising from running two sims side by side sharing the same hardware with different Windows configs. Maybe not, just a hunch...

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Well I could just see a load of problems arising from running two sims side by side sharing the same hardware with different Windows configs. Maybe not, just a hunch...

 

Ah, now I see.. Well, I haven't encountered any dealbraking problems yet using my above mentioned sims.

 

 

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Hi Howard

So how do I fly my NGX in two sims along with REX, FSUIPC, LINDA, Ezdok etc etc? it would be a configuration nightmare

 

 

In Prepar3D (based on FSX engine),you can use all the special add-on/modules like:FSUIPC,Ezca,trackIr5,you have in FSX.

 

You have to build your own EXE.XML file to handle them,but it is not a big deal.

 

If You like me to guide you,then be my guest.

 

Bye,

 

David

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Ah, now I see.. Well, I haven't encountered any dealbraking problems yet using my above mentioned sims.

 

 

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Interesting to hear that Richard, thanks...

Hi Howard

 

 

In Prepar3D (based on FSX engine),you can use all the special add-on/modules like:FSUIPC,Ezca,trackIr5,you have in FSX.

 

You have to build your own EXE.XML file to handle them,but it is not a big deal.

 

If You like me to guide you,then be my guest.

 

Bye,

 

David

 

I may well take you up on that David. I very much appreciate your offer... tell me though, I keep hearing differing opinions about P3D, have you found any real tangible improvement, re framerate, smoothness and texture loading?

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Ive used FSX since the day it came out and every other MS ver before that. I enjoyed FSX A lot of the years and never had any issues with it. I have tons of FSX addons, Planes sceney etc. My FSX install was Well over 250 GB worth.

 

Over a year ago, I heard about P3d and gave that a try for the then $10 a month program. I liked it a little better than FSX because it cured some of the Blurry scenery issues I had with FSX, and most of the addons I had, worked with it fine. But it was not a major change from FSX. I guess I was getting a little bored with FSX since it was over 6 years and although some great addons came out that really made FSX a wonderful sim, I wanted something different.

 

So last Nov\Dec when the XP10 demo came out, I downloaded it and played around with it for a few days. I hated it, and went promptly back to P3d and FSX. Why didnt I like it? Im not sure. I was looking for stuff I didnt like about it. I had lots of money invested in FSX and the thought of starting over with another sim was dauntlng. It wasnt hard to pick apart the XPX demo. The AI was horrible and the default planes were like something from FS9 or earlier. I took it off went back to P3d.

 

Then I started reading about people who were enjoying X-plane 10 and I thought how can that be? I must be missing something! There must be something about X-plane Im not seeing in the demo ver, so I went and ordered the full version. Since the default planes were not impressive, I went and bought the Carenado Bonanza too. This was a plane I had in FSX, so the comparison would be good. That made a big difference.

 

After a few days with the full version and the Bonanza, I started to like XP10. It wasnt love at first site, but I started to see what was different and how I might like it better. The blurry scenery issues from FSX were gone and althought XP10 lacked a lot of the eye candy that FSX had with addons, I was getting a much better feeling of flight with XP. I then started buying more addons for XP. eventually I got sucked into the XP world. and I found myself enjoying way more than I have with FSX and P3d in recent months. I love the clouds much better in XP-10 than FSX. In FSX they are like highly difined billborads floating in the sky and rotate around you as you fly by. Although REX is a great addon, I found the clouds way too defined looking and not very realistic. In XP10, as I move throught the clouds they look more 3- dimensional. AT certain angles, the clouds in XP can look like smoke (which I dont like), but in most situations they are breath taking especially at dusk and dawn.

 

The lack of belivable AI is the one thing that annoys me in XP10 and I was disapointed to here Austins remarks on the Teamspeak conference, when He talked about it like it was the best system you could have in a flight sim. However, I have hopes that a 3rd party developer will eventually create something that will remedy this. The ai issue is not that important to me since Im not into plane spotting, but I can see where someone coming from FSX might be disapointed in that area.

 

Some of the addons I have purchased for X-Plane have blown me away (LES DC-3, DDenn Challenger, Rollons CRJ, All the Carendao conversions) just to name a few. The Aerosoft sceneried have been impressive too. The lighting in XP is second to none IMO. all these have given me a flight sim experence I havent had in years and has re-awoken my lofe for flight sims.

 

Like others have said, there is no reason not to have them all. Right now, I have FSX/P3d XP10, Aerofly, Rise of Flight, DCS A10 & Mustang. I use them all, but spend the majority of it in XPX.

 

Rob

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Ive used FSX since the day it came out and every other MS ver before that. I enjoyed FSX A lot of the years and never had any issues with it. I have tons of FSX addons, Planes sceney etc. My FSX install was Well over 250 GB worth.

 

Over a year ago, I heard about P3d and gave that a try for the then $10 a month program. I liked it a little better than FSX because it cured some of the Blurry scenery issues I had with FSX, and most of the addons I had, worked with it fine. But it was not a major change from FSX. I guess I was getting a little bored with FSX since it was over 6 years and although some great addons came out that really made FSX a wonderful sim, I wanted something different.

 

So last Nov\Dec when the XP10 demo came out, I downloaded it and played around with it for a few days. I hated it, and went promptly back to P3d and FSX. Why didnt I like it? Im not sure. I was looking for stuff I didnt like about it. I had lots of money invested in FSX and the thought of starting over with another sim was dauntlng. It wasnt hard to pick apart the XPX demo. The AI was horrible and the default planes were like something from FS9 or earlier. I took it off went back to P3d.

 

Then I started reading about people who were enjoying X-plane 10 and I thought how can that be? I must be missing something! There must be something about X-plane Im not seeing in the demo ver, so I went and ordered the full version. Since the default planes were not impressive, I went and bought the Carenado Bonanza too. This was a plane I had in FSX, so the comparison would be good. That made a big difference.

 

After a few days with the full version and the Bonanza, I started to like XP10. It wasnt love at first site, but I started to see what was different and how I might like it better. The blurry scenery issues from FSX were gone and althought XP10 lacked a lot of the eye candy that FSX had with addons, I was getting a much better feeling of flight with XP. I then started buying more addons for XP. eventually I got sucked into the XP world. and I found myself enjoying way more than I have with FSX and P3d in recent months. I love the clouds much better in XP-10 than FSX. In FSX they are like highly difined billborads floating in the sky and rotate around you as you fly by. Although REX is a great addon, I found the clouds way too defined looking and not very realistic. In XP10, as I move throught the clouds they look more 3- dimensional. AT certain angles, the clouds in XP can look like smoke (which I dont like), but in most situations they are breath taking especially at dusk and dawn.

 

The lack of belivable AI is the one thing that annoys me in XP10 and I was disapointed to here Austins remarks on the Teamspeak conference, when He talked about it like it was the best system you could have in a flight sim. However, I have hopes that a 3rd party developer will eventually create something that will remedy this. The ai issue is not that important to me since Im not into plane spotting, but I can see where someone coming from FSX might be disapointed in that area.

 

Some of the addons I have purchased for X-Plane have blown me away (LES DC-3, DDenn Challenger, Rollons CRJ, All the Carendao conversions) just to name a few. The Aerosoft sceneried have been impressive too. The lighting in XP is second to none IMO. all these have given me a flight sim experence I havent had in years and has re-awoken my lofe for flight sims.

 

Like others have said, there is no reason not to have them all. Right now, I have FSX/P3d XP10, Aerofly, Rise of Flight, DCS A10 & Mustang. I use them all, but spend the majority of it in XPX.

 

Rob

Great bit of info Rob, thanks. You've given me plenty to think about...

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Hey Howard!

 

Dennis here again! A couple fo other things that come to mind and that you should consider:

 

1. If you are looking for a great flying experience from the standpoint of aircraft behaviour in real weather, X-Plane is your sim. FSX always felt fake to me, even with the best aircraft addons of the likes of PMDG and others. For some reason the way FSX handles the flight model against weather never felt right to me. For example, turbulence; FSX never simulated the effects of turbulence on the aircraft very well - X-Plane does. So, if you're shooting an ILS approach with a 15kt quarter wind, you're airplane will remind you of the flying conditions instead of just coming down in a rail like environment as in FSX, so you will have to use your pilot skills in a more realistic way. Others may argue, but the folks that are real life pilots in this community (myself included) can tell you that the flight model in XP is much more realistic than the other sims.

 

2. Even though the ATC engine does need a lot of work (regardless of what Austin Meyer may think - IT DOES), it does a couple of things that are better than FSX. For example, you have to know you're frequencies if you want to talk to the tower - period. That's real life like and I like it because it forces you to prepare as you would in real life. Again, Austin and the gang should have their work cut out with the ATC engine for a future release because it is incomplete at the moment but bear in mind that XPX is the frst release that offers ATC, so we'll see what the fututre holds here.

 

3. Weather. I'm not going to go into a lot of detail here other than the weather and the environment in X-Plane is second to none - you won't be disappointed here.

 

4. The inmersion experience with X-Plane is better than with FSX and the likes. Yes, with FSX you get the beautifully rendered airports (given that you have a monster machine) but with X-Plane you don't need the horsepower you need to run FSX and when you look at the new highway environment, the train system, the plausible world, and the overall landscape, it's nice - and without having to invest a ton of money in scenery enhancement stuff or FSGenesis like terrain stuff.

 

5. Night lighting was one of those things I never thought about until I transitioned to X-Plane and realized how realistic X-Plane makes it. Believe me - it makes a difference in night flying.

 

6. You will have to spend some money in the good aircraft addons and high quality airport addons that may come but I think that the long-term cost of running X-Plane is far less than the cost of running FSX when you consider hardware requirements, addon requirements, and time wasted tweaking the darn thing.

 

My other 2 cents.

 

Dennis

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Hey Howard!

 

For what is worth..............I am more of a heavy metal type guy than anything else. Today something possesed me to go try a coupld of carrier landings in order to test the experience in X-Plane. WOW!!! I never expected the thrill I got. First of all the carriers in X-Plane are extremely detailed and very well made. Second, they tilt, they move, the weather affects their position, and if you stand in the deck, you actually see the deck going up and down as in real life - believe me - I was a Hawkeye driver for several years and I know what it's like. This was awesome!!! You have to call the ball as in real life and you better be on the numbers or you're going to have a bad day fast. Again, I'm more of a heavy metal guy so I don't think this is going to be my day to day thing with X-Plane, but if you like military stuff, X-Plane again is your sim. Also, if you like Helos, nothing beats X-Plane's oil rigs and building helo landing platforms.

 

cheers.!

 

Dennis

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love the clouds much better in XP-10 than FSX. In FSX they are like highly difined billborads floating in the sky and rotate around you as you fly by.

 

I have both sims. But I don't go along with the billboard effect. This is FSX, with no weather extras. Just the default program.

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The OP asked what's in X Plane. Not to see screenshots of FSX in the X Plane forums.

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1. If you are looking for a great flying experience from the standpoint of aircraft behaviour in real weather, X-Plane is your sim. FSX always felt fake to me, even with the best aircraft addons of the likes of PMDG and others. For some reason the way FSX handles the flight model against weather never felt right to me. For example, turbulence; FSX never simulated the effects of turbulence on the aircraft very well - X-Plane does. So, if you're shooting an ILS approach with a 15kt quarter wind, you're airplane will remind you of the flying conditions instead of just coming down in a rail like environment as in FSX, so you will have to use your pilot skills in a more realistic way. Others may argue, but the folks that are real life pilots in this community (myself included) can tell you that the flight model in XP is much more realistic than the other sims.

 

I disagree with that one too! There are some models I like in XP, but I sure wouldn't discount my Baytower RV7 (FSX), the RealAir Marchetti SF260, as well as a number of others for FSX. I hear the new RealAir Lancair Legacy for FSX is a gem too. My point is this..............I have built & flew a Van's RV, as well as numerous other models. I've done laser dog fighting in the Marchetti SF260, and I don't find anything in the XP flight model as being better. I feel that I have every right to make these comments in this X-Plane forum. Notice, I'm not chopping down XP. I'm just stating that as a pilot myself, I don't agree with other comments in regards to superiority in flight models.

 

L.Adamson --- XP8,9,10 demo, FS9,FSX

 

The OP asked what's in X Plane. Not to see screenshots of FSX in the X Plane forums.

 

This is once again, an X-Plane versus FSX question. I didn't start it. But if you want to make AVSIM just like X-Plane org.............in which FSX is chopped to the bone in favor of X-Plane, and then edit out all controversy and ban people who like FSX too...............then that is what this will become. I feel that I have every right to dispell certain information, that I feel is not exactly correct.

 

edit: You're an X-Plane developer. Austin claims that he's only used MSFS for 15 mins. You've claimed that you've used FSX very little. Your financial outcome depends on X-Plane. You've made many claims that FSX is dead in the water, and won't be improved. Truth is, it's STILL being improved all the time. 3rd party products are still high in demand. My position, is that there is no need to jump ship, move on, or switch. My position is to use ALL, that have appealing aspects. And I feel that I can make informed decisions, and counter a few claims, that I see around here.

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Hey L. Adamson!

 

Actually is good to have different opinions in this thread so Howard can see the good and the bad as well as weigh the diffrerent experiences and determine what to do. FSX definitely has it's great things don't get me wrong. Flight model stuff at the end of the day comes to a matter of personal opinion. In my case I was a weather pilot for the military for many years so I base my weather-influenced flight model comments on my personal experience - I am a little biased - I do think there are superior differences in how XPX handles vs FSX but again is good to have this conversation. Maybe the best thing for Howard would be to experience both sims and come up with his own conclusion.

 

Cheers.

 

Dennis

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Yes, FSX clouds look great for screenshots, but flying through them is where It looses me and thats whats more important to me. In XPX they have a much more 3D feel to them. Although they dont always great in XP, they are an improvementt over FSX clouds IMO.

 

Rob

 

I have both sims. But I don't go along with the billboard effect. This is FSX, with no weather extras. Just the default program.

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Read his post Larry.

 

Particularly this part...

"So, can anyone provide me with an idea of the benefits of a switch to XP from FSX."

That is what he is asking.

It's just that certain people keep talking about how good FSX is, even when no one is asking about it. This is an x plane forum. Not an FSX forum

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So what is the opinion of anyone who has moved from FSX and can offer a very objective view point, cheers fellas...

 

My 1st simulator was subLOGIC's Flight Simulator II for Amiga 500. I bought every FS version until FS2004, I switched from FS2004 to X-Plane 9 and then to X-Plane 10. FS is very nice for autopilot/FMS flying when you install nice add-ons from Level-D or PMDG. But I don't like it for manual flying, and my hardware isn't made for FSX.

 

In X-Plane, I prefer the flight models you get with add-ons, I prefer the frame rates, the very nice graphics, the add-on sceneries using OSM2XP, and the easy user interface where you don't need to graduate in order to edit cfg files.

 

Happy flying.

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