July 3, 201213 yr Then FLIGHT came along Yep, it came along and made me start already on a CyborgX, not being used because meanwhile I got a x52 Pro for free from a friend :-), and now try to get back the Saitek Pro pedals I had given away .... Flying gliders since 1980 Flightsimming since 1992 AMD Ryzen 5600x, 32GB RAM, GPU Nvidia RTX 3060 Ti 8 GB, 1 TB and 500 GB nvme2 SSD drives, HP 27" 60Hz LED monitor @ 1920x1080, T16000, Hotas from old X52 Pro, Saitek Combat Rudder Pro (2010 model)
July 4, 201213 yr This is absolutely not true! I've never flown any prop aircraft that didn't require rudder action most of the time, at least for every turn. If I was to have a control cable break, I'd pray it was the ailerons and not the rudder. Remember also that rudder correction isn't used DURING a turn, but as you enter/exit the turn. There really are differences, though. I remember the Quicksilver ( I believe MX) ultralight, that had to be lead with rudder. Might have had spoilers instead of ailerons....don't remember. And then the high wing Cessnas took more rudder than the Pipers. The long wing Diamond DA40 takes a lot. And as I said, because of the type of ailerons, differential, and short low aspect wing............the two place RVs require none, or almost none. Depends on how steep the turn is.
July 4, 201213 yr And... on gliders, for instance, entering a tight thermal, we use agressive rudder input 1st followed by aileron to coordinate... On the Sportcruiser ULM I had the chance to fly standard turns were performed feet on floor. Our glider tug, a Rallye 180 GT has a good deal of adverse yaw... etc... Ah! Buses and BigBoings are flown feet on floor with the exception of takeoffs, approach and landing :-) Flying gliders since 1980 Flightsimming since 1992 AMD Ryzen 5600x, 32GB RAM, GPU Nvidia RTX 3060 Ti 8 GB, 1 TB and 500 GB nvme2 SSD drives, HP 27" 60Hz LED monitor @ 1920x1080, T16000, Hotas from old X52 Pro, Saitek Combat Rudder Pro (2010 model)
July 4, 201213 yr Author Bobsk8, thanks for all the info. I'm guessing you didn't get to take the controls of the Skymaster, so you can't answer the adverse yaw question. I just did an approach in the Maule. On downwind, abeam the threshold, I was trimmed for flight at the final flap setting. I did the base and final turns using only rudder, no aileron, and used only throttle for descent. Had no problem lining up with the runway and keeping on the glideslope. I didn't touch the yoke until I had to flare. Gentle corrections with the rudder pedals, and the ball never strayed from center. Note that you probably can't do this with the Stearman, for instance. I remember a real world pilot complaining a couple of months ago that this wasn't possible in Flight. Hook No, never took the controls of the Skymaster, but remember it was "LOUD"....
July 4, 201213 yr i use a 360 controller as well.. the triggers function as rudders, so it works quite well. how in the hell could you fly without constantly using the rudders? anything other than straight and level flight would be wrong.
July 4, 201213 yr Even holding straight and level requires a bit of rudder at times. I was up in a Skymaster once (well, my uncle's newly restored O-2, anyway) and can confirm the loudness. :)
July 4, 201213 yr Even holding straight and level requires a bit of rudder at times. Especially after the title update with the change in the prop torque effects. I used to could get the Maule to cruising altitude, trimmed out in pitch and it would fly pretty darn straight - in low and threatening weather keeping altitude between 3k-4k ft. Now, I definitely get a slight pull to the left - so I ease in a little right rudder throughout the flight to keep the heading. Don B
July 4, 201213 yr Especially after the title update with the change in the prop torque effects. I used to could get the Maule to cruising altitude, trimmed out in pitch and it would fly pretty darn straight - in low and threatening weather keeping altitude between 3k-4k ft. Now, I definitely get a slight pull to the left - so I ease in a little right rudder throughout the flight to keep the heading. Same here. Too bad the rudder trim is too coarse to compensate. I'm going to try some fuel-balancing games on my next long flight to see if Flight models the effect of asymmetrical fuel loads.
July 4, 201213 yr Same here. Too bad the rudder trim is too coarse to compensate. I'm going to try some fuel-balancing games on my next long flight to see if Flight models the effect of asymmetrical fuel loads Yes, the first thing I tried was adding a little right rudder trim, was way too much - which is why I now hold a little right rudder while cruising. Thankfully my pedals are very comfortable! Don B
July 4, 201213 yr Same here. Too bad the rudder trim is too coarse to compensate. I'm going to try some fuel-balancing games on my next long flight to see if Flight models the effect of asymmetrical fuel loads. Yes it does! I've used it as a "rudder/aileron trim" too :-) Flying gliders since 1980 Flightsimming since 1992 AMD Ryzen 5600x, 32GB RAM, GPU Nvidia RTX 3060 Ti 8 GB, 1 TB and 500 GB nvme2 SSD drives, HP 27" 60Hz LED monitor @ 1920x1080, T16000, Hotas from old X52 Pro, Saitek Combat Rudder Pro (2010 model)
July 4, 201213 yr Ah, so I am not the only one holding a little right rudder all the time. I don't mind doing so, in fact, at one moment I disabled torgue effect because I did mind the pulling all the time but after doing so flying became a bit boring and I missed using the rudder all the time LOL so I turned it back on again. It's nice having to do something all the time and yes, those Saitek Combat Rudder pedals are very comfortable!
July 4, 201213 yr It's nice having to do something all the time and yes, those Saitek Combat Rudder pedals are very comfortable! Indeed! I have gotten to where, if I need to leave the room for a few, I will feed in more right rudder and get the plane heading a few degrees to the right off course, then when I come back it is closer to where it should be, than several degrees to the left lol. Don B
July 4, 201213 yr Yes it does! I've used it as a "rudder/aileron trim" too :-) Cool, now we just need an Advanced Fueling Screen that allows us to put an extra couple of gallons in the right tank prior to takeoff. :)
July 4, 201213 yr Anyway, the rudder trim is working acceptably for me when cruising. I don't recall at exactly what RPM I use to cruise, but once the RPMs are retarded from max, at cruise level flight, the rudder trim does it's job acceptably with just one click in the joystick button I assigned to it. At the Steam forums someone from the MS FLIGHT team completed the list of modifications done to the Maule, but didn't mention any regarding the other aircraft. He also wrote that the new torque effects would imply the use of aileron trim, but we still have to wait for an aircraft with that possibility... What I would really like to have is my Maule prop acting at least as it did before :-| Flying gliders since 1980 Flightsimming since 1992 AMD Ryzen 5600x, 32GB RAM, GPU Nvidia RTX 3060 Ti 8 GB, 1 TB and 500 GB nvme2 SSD drives, HP 27" 60Hz LED monitor @ 1920x1080, T16000, Hotas from old X52 Pro, Saitek Combat Rudder Pro (2010 model)
July 4, 201213 yr Author Even holding straight and level requires a bit of rudder at times. I was up in a Skymaster once (well, my uncle's newly restored O-2, anyway) and can confirm the loudness. :) Frequent comment in the cockpit is, " What!!! , what did you say? ".
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