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Hi!

 

Just thought I'd ask a quick question. I know the World has moved on to LCD's but just wondering if anyone still uses the odd CRT TV or monitor at all. We have a new big flatscreen TV in my parents room and while it is light and portable and has a bigger screen I still think the basic TV picture quality on our kitchen Sony Trinitron is a lot better to my eyes. No jagged lines or glaring colours or pixelation. I'm still unsure of the whole CRT/LCD etc. thing. Sometimes the images on these new flatscreens blows me away and sometimes I just think they look bad. It seems to vary a lot. For some reason the smaller LCD screens seem to look more consistently better to my eyes and I am very happy with our Dell desktop monitor and movies on my aunt's Toshiba laptop look incredibly clear and good.

 

But on the other hand I really like the picture quality of TV and even PC on a few CRT's we still have around. I can't say they're better or worse only that I'm in no rush to replace them.

 

So anyone else have a CRT or two lying around still or have great experiences with the new technology.

 

Any thoughts welcome.

 

Thanks.

 

P.

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We have a new big flatscreen TV in my parents room and while it is light and portable and has a bigger screen I still think the basic TV picture quality on our kitchen Sony Trinitron is a lot better to my eyes. No jagged lines or glaring colours or pixelation.

 

This is because you are spreading out your pixels onto a larger screen. I use a Viewsonic 24" LCD widescreen and it is perfect.

 

I did have a 24" CRT up to a year ago and the picture on it was fine, problem is they are not widescreen so you miss out on having a wider field of vision.

 

Using large screen LCD or Plasma TV's are not good with Flight Sim in my POV because all you are doing is spreading out the pixels over a larger area. Having Multiple Monitors is best

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Hi!

 

This is because you are spreading out your pixels onto a larger screen. I use a Viewsonic 24" LCD widescreen and it is perfect.

 

I'm not sure I follow you on this. Surely a bigger screen would have more pixels of the same basic individual size as a smaller screen? Just more of them to fill the bigger area. I think I read somewhere that the basic "pixel" size of a LCD is much larger than that of a CRT. There was also some different kinda argument that CRT's don't really have a pixel size because they use a scanning process or something.

 

Smaller screens definitely look generally much better. However I'd be suprised if the bigger screens used bigger pixels to cover the larger area. I don't really know much about it though.

 

Many thanks.

 

P.

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If you are using a 24" widescreen Monitor and running 1920 X 1080 pixels then you are spreading out those 1920 X 1080 pixels over 24" from corner to corner.

 

If you are using a 60" widescreen Television and running 1920 X 1080 pixels then you are spreading out those 1920 X 1080 pixels over 60" from corner to corner.

 

It is the same amount of pixels spread out over a larger area.

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Actually, the number of pixels for -say- HDTV standard "native resolution" 1080i/p doesn't change...

 

...there are still 1080 horizontal pixels per row and 1920 rows. Knowing that, then obviously the relative pixel size for a 60" screen will be proportionaly larger than those of a 17" screen. Even so, at very close distance, they are still very tiny! :Nerd:

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I'm apparently way behind the crowd. The two TV's at home are both CRT, and the TV's in my holiday homes are both CRT... :rolleyes: Only LCD in my house is my monitor for my computer... Probably should look into upgrading, but they still work fine, picture quality is great, and it'd feel a bit wasteful to me to just throw out a perfectly good TV...

 

Regards,

Ró.

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C'mon Ro! I was half expecting you to tell us you also watch tv by candlelight! LOL

 

Problem with the CRTs is lack of support for HDMI and other digital signals. I was forced to upgrade from my 1 year old crt after my wife accidentally emptied the fish tank into it, and to be honest, i could not go back to CRT now!!

 

I am also looking at upgrading my computer LCD after one of the techs at work bought a 27inch high def LED for around $250 delivered on ebay!! Quality again is mouth watering!

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Hi!

 

Thanks for the replies. I guess that would explain why the smaller LCD's look better. My monitor on my Dell desktop is 1440x900 and looks great. The only problem in flightsim is the 2D panels look stretched and sometimes I still like using 2D panels.

 

I'm with Ronan on this one though. I still like my CRT's both for computing and TV and wouldn't like to throw them out just for the sake of upgrading. Hell most of my music collection is still on cassette which I still believe sounds better than mp3!

 

As an aviation question I was wondering do airliner cockpits now use LCD displays for the PFD etc. or are they still CRT or something totally different?

 

Many thanks.

 

P.

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I'm apparently way behind the crowd. The two TV's at home are both CRT, and the TV's in my holiday homes are both CRT... :rolleyes: Only LCD in my house is my monitor for my computer... Probably should look into upgrading, but they still work fine, picture quality is great, and it'd feel a bit wasteful to me to just throw out a perfectly good TV...

 

Regards,

Ró.

 

Hi Ró.

 

Sorry to post here. It's completely unrelated to this thread. Tried to PM you, but that looks disabled in your account (unless I didn't look long enough).

Would it be possible to contact support(at)multicrewxp.com?

 

Thanks

 

Gerald.

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Hi Ró.

 

Sorry to post here. It's completely unrelated to this thread. Tried to PM you, but that looks disabled in your account (unless I didn't look long enough).

Would it be possible to contact support(at)multicrewxp.com?

 

Thanks

 

Gerald.

Sent you an email, I think your PM is turned off as I can send PM's fine on my side.

 

Regards,

Ró.

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Thanks for the replies. I guess that would explain why the smaller LCD's look better. My monitor on my Dell desktop is 1440x900 and looks great. The only problem in flightsim is the 2D panels look stretched and sometimes I still like using 2D panels.

The reason for that of course is that all of the default 2d panels were designed for a 4:3 ratio monitor. When displayed on a wide-screen 16:9 ratio they are going to be stretched horizonally to fill the screen.

 

That is precisely why when developing releases for FS9/FSX where a 2d panel is included, we created the artwork and panel.cfg files for both resolutions.

 

However, given that it's extremely difficult to even find a CRT anymore, much less a 4:3 ratio LCD monitor, it won't be much longer before support for 4:3 ratio goes the way of the Dodo bird... B)

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Hi!

 

The reason for that of course is that all of the default 2d panels were designed for a 4:3 ratio monitor. When displayed on a wide-screen 16:9 ratio they are going to be stretched horizonally to fill the screen.

 

That is precisely why when developing releases for FS9/FSX where a 2d panel is included, we created the artwork and panel.cfg files for both resolutions.

 

However, given that it's extremely difficult to even find a CRT anymore, much less a 4:3 ratio LCD monitor, it won't be much longer before support for 4:3 ratio goes the way of the Dodo bird... B)

 

That's true but I'm still keeping a 4:3 monitor handy for flying Fs98! People may knock Fs98 but the amount and quality of freeware for it still blows most of these modern sims out of the water! There was a lot of love in flightsimback then and although the graphics sucked and stuff I still like flying all those sceneries/aircraft sometimes!

 

Many thanks.

 

P.

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As an aviation question I was wondering do airliner cockpits now use LCD displays for the PFD etc. or are they still CRT or something totally different?

Indeed they're all LCD now, much lighter and don't get damaged as easily by turbulence....

 

Regards,

Ró.

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Hi!

 

Indeed they're all LCD now, much lighter and don't get damaged as easily by turbulence....

 

Regards,

Ró.

 

Many thanks for the info although I'm not sure if you're kidding about the turbulence thing. I'm scared of flying enough without worrying about turbulence putting out the captains PFD while he's handflying an ILS to minimums!

 

Many thanks.

 

P.

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Hi!

 

 

 

Many thanks for the info although I'm not sure if you're kidding about the turbulence thing. I'm scared of flying enough without worrying about turbulence putting out the captains PFD while he's handflying an ILS to minimums!

 

Many thanks.

 

P.

Oh, you're scared of flying, in that case, I was only joking.... :unsure: :Whistle:

In all seriousness though, it used happen (not often obviously or they'd never have been certified) with the CRT's that they'd get shook and banged around enough to fail, havn't heard of it happening to a LCD yet though.Keep in mind though we can switch displays back and forth between different DUs.

 

Regards,

Ró.

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Ró, given the temperature of the filaments in a CRT, it's not surprising that there'd be occasional failures. It's really a testament to the ingenuity of the electronics engineers that they were able to find a way to minimize the effect of shock and vibration breaking hot filaments!

 

That's true but I'm still keeping a 4:3 monitor handy for flying Fs98! People may knock Fs98 but the amount and quality of freeware for it still blows most of these modern sims out of the water! There was a lot of love in flightsimback then and although the graphics sucked and stuff I still like flying all those sceneries/aircraft sometimes!

 

That's precisely why when it became obvious that 4:3 ratio LCD monitors would soon be scarce as hen's teeth that I ordered ten 15" 4:3 LCD monitors from Tiger Direct when they had a "blow out sale" at $49/each! I keep one as a tertiary monitor on my development machine, as well as one on my flightsim test machine. This is the only way I can keep developing 2d 4:3 ratio panels for projects.

 

Oh yes, I still have one 26" CRT monitor down in my basement for "nostalgia" purposes mostly. The rest I gave away long ago to my local parish for their CYC program (youth).

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Ró, given the temperature of the filaments in a CRT, it's not surprising that there'd be occasional failures. It's really a testament to the ingenuity of the electronics engineers that they were able to find a way to minimize the effect of shock and vibration breaking hot filaments!

Indeed, that was one of the things pilots were exceptionally concerned about when glass cockpits were first brought in, that this technology was the same as the TV at home, where you'd tap it on top and the image would move around the screen, and they wanted us to fly though turbulence with these... Either way they were proven wrong and now we'll never look back to the days of steam gauges for commercial aircraft. Fair plé to the engineers at McDonnell Douglas.

 

Regards,

Ró.

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Hi LCD/LED fans.

 

None of those here yet.

 

I will NOT change unless one of my CRT is dead ! ! TV or puter.

 

And BEFORE buying new, I will read A LOT on the net, about

the **short** PROGRAMMED OBSOLESCENCE of these new gadgets ! !

It is a SHAME ! ! !

 

Blue skies.

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Hi!

 

Many thanks for the info and replies.

 

That's precisely why when it became obvious that 4:3 ratio LCD monitors would soon be scarce as hen's teeth that I ordered ten 15" 4:3 LCD monitors from Tiger Direct when they had a "blow out sale" at $49/each! I keep one as a tertiary monitor on my development machine, as well as one on my flightsim test machine. This is the only way I can keep developing 2d 4:3 ratio panels for projects.

 

Oh yes, I still have one 26" CRT monitor down in my basement for "nostalgia" purposes mostly. The rest I gave away long ago to my local parish for their CYC program (youth).

 

That's great that you keep developing with some backward compatibility. It's very true that not everyone has the latest and greatest computer equipment all the time. I'm actually a bit suprised that FsX doesn't have widescreen 2d panels (or maybe it does?). The virtual cockpits are beautiful but sometimes it gets tiring having to pan around or change views to access buttons and stuff. 2d panels don't look nearly as realistic but sometimes their ease of use is a good plus for me (especially with airliners!).

 

What I worry about is when TV's stop putting "TV aerial" inputs on them (coaxial?). Then my old Atari console from the 1980's will trul y become obsolete!

 

Indeed, that was one of the things pilots were exceptionally concerned about when glass cockpits were first brought in, that this technology was the same as the TV at home, where you'd tap it on top and the image would move around the screen, and they wanted us to fly though turbulence with these... Either way they were proven wrong and now we'll never look back to the days of steam gauges for commercial aircraft. Fair plé to the engineers at McDonnell Douglas.

 

Regards,

Ró.

 

Many thanks for the info. Very interesting to hear about what goes on in the real World. Thanks so much.

 

Hi LCD/LED fans.

 

None of those here yet.

 

I will NOT change unless one of my CRT is dead ! ! TV or puter.

 

And BEFORE buying new, I will read A LOT on the net, about

the **short** PROGRAMMED OBSOLESCENCE of these new gadgets ! !

It is a SHAME ! ! !

 

How about a laptop as a tester maybe? Although I'm still a CRT fan my aunt has a new Topshiba Windows 7 laptop (not a very expenisive one) and the image quality when playing movies really is great to look at!

 

Many thanks.

 

P.

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My parents' room has a old Daewoo (Yes, they made televisions) that is probably one of the best TV's I've ever had (It was mine before I got my own TV in my room). It can wake up by itself (So, instead of having an annoying alarm clock wake you up, you can wake up to the news or whatever), it has component (Kinda meh, but it does give better picture quality vs. standard RCA), and you can label channels. The quality is also great since they don't have HD in their room.

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What I worry about is when TV's stop putting "TV aerial" inputs on them (coaxial?). Then my old Atari console from the 1980's will trul y become obsolete!

As long as there are broadcast stations, there will always be an antenna input on televisions.

 

Speaking of televisions though, my chief complaint is that the new HDTVs take up to a full minute now before they are finished decoding the digital signal so that sound and picture are available! My coffee maker is faster than that... :LMAO:

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