+1.

 

They should bring out 2 versions in my opinion, one for the people who spawn and go (love looking at wing views, pretty things) and another version for people who actually WANT to SIMULATE it for what it is. I can't remember the last time I saw a 777 captain wing-walking with a GoPro because he liked looking at his aircraft from "spot view".

 

That aside, as Steve said, I'd love to see you flying in maximum allowable wind conditions whilst trying to navigate your way around an Electronic Checklist - alone. Good luck with that.

 

Two versions? You do know that you're not forced to use the ECL right? So you want PMDG to make a 777 with ECL and without? Sorry but that's ridiculous just like Kyle said. You might as well get CS's if you don't want realism. The Landing checklist you'd do after putting the gear down doesn't have to be done. Easily memorised and just tick it all off once you're on the ground. If you're so paranoid about getting the checklist done when it's meant to be then disconnect the autopilot once you've done so. Remember this is a Flight Simulator.

Sarcasm obviously doesn't relay well on text...

I'll tell ya what. If you have to do that, you're not doing it right.

 

Totally agree with that statement...everything that needs setting (save MCP, radio frequencies, control surfaces, gear & lights) should be set well before T/D.

 

But I would also like the option to turn off the ELEC Checklists....I am not too keen any pretty lights, dings or buzzes not critical to flight just because I have been unable to navigate my mouse to an Electronic Landing Checklist Item clickspot way down on the LWR MFD during a crucial phase of flight....nor do I realy want to be fiddling with the Display Select Panel at a critical stage of flight to clear checklists etc.

 

Easily memorised and just tick it all off once you're on the ground. If you're so paranoid about getting the checklist done when it's meant to be then disconnect the autopilot once you've done so.

 

In my mind this kind of validates what I have said...whats the realism in doing the ELC items after the fact?

 

Remember this is a Flight Simulator.

 

I am reminded of this every time I step inside these 'hallowed' virtual walls.

In my mind this kind of validates what I have said...whats the realism in doing the ELC items after the fact?

 

I didn't say it was realistic & I never quoted you in the first place. Sorry I didn't mean literally go through and do the Landing checklist after touchdown, I meant just tick it all off and move on to the next page. You could in fact do that straight after the in-range check so when you land the next page is waiting for you when you vacate. That's if you know you'll be flying the approach manually with no time to do it. If not then the time to do the Landing checklist is after gear down. That check is pretty short and easy to turn into memory items for when you're flying manually.

 

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I don't get the point in moaning about not being able to do the checklists airborne. If you can't do them then don't use them. There's a button on the Synoptic Panel called "CHKL", don't touch it if you don't want to use the Checklists! Magical :LMAO: Not sure why PMDG shouldn't implement them because people claim they can't use something they've never even tried in FSX.

If not then the time to do the Landing checklist is after gear down. That check is pretty short and easy to turn into memory items for when you're flying manually.

 

Depends on the airline, BA, if memory serves me correctly, for example, run the landing checklist once the missed approach altitude is set.

 

However, that aside. I'm pretty sure that the systems are all interlinked with the ECL, so if one or more things are missed out of "workload", you'll just end up with nuisance warnings when you least expect it. It's hardly the greatest thing go hear passing 1000ft, is it?

 

I'll check back tomorrow for a reply, as I know it's a school night! :wub:

Well isn't FS2Crew going to solve the workload problem?

I don't get the point in moaning about not being able to do the checklists airborne. If you can't do them then don't use them. There's a button on the Synoptic Panel called "CHKL", don't touch it if you don't want to use the Checklists! Magical :LMAO: Not sure why PMDG shouldn't implement them because people claim they can't use something they've never even tried in FSX.

 

I am certainly not moaning...I would just the option of being able to implement them or not to be considered...pilot choice...just like the myriad of options available within the NGX series....& I certainly did not say that I thought PMDG should not implement them.

 

I thought the whole object of these fora were to exchange ideas & views...I must have gotten confused somewhere along the way...ahh well...thats getting old for you.

 

The reason why I think it might be advantageous to have the option regarding the ECLs is that some T7 systems, logic & EICAS Messages are mechanically & electronically linked to the various parts of the ECL - i.e. Closed Loop Items.

 

Well isn't FS2Crew going to solve the workload problem?

 

It might be if it is your 'FS thing'...& you dont mind basing your operation on one fixed configuration &/or checklist flow which is probably not based on a RW carrier, if on the other hand your 'FS thing' is following RL/RW procedures as used by a particular RW carrier then it (FS Crew) is probably not 'the thing' for you.

 

Anyway ... I sense this thread is going the same way as many before so I am off before it does.

Seriously tho, do you still have the quote or something or are you 100% sure they did have a breakthrough? If yes, I can't wait to find out what it is. *prays* "Please, let it be the cockpit sharing"

 

My guess would be that they managed to implement taxi cameras. That something like that can be done was recently proven by the VRS guys who managed to implement a working FLIR cam for their TacPack. The images of that fully functional camera are actually being displayed on the screens of the virtual cockpit in their F-18 Superbug.

The reason why I think it might be advantageous to have the option regarding the ECLs is that some T7 systems, logic & EICAS Messages are mechanically & electronically linked to the various parts of the ECL - i.e. Closed Loop Items.

My understanding of this is that the ECL can only read the status of systems to verify a checklist item. The checklist can't change anything, and I don't think it will flag up an EICAS message if a check is missed. So if you don't accomplish a checklist there will be no effect on the systems. So where's the advantage for a user in opting not to have ECL simulated?

My understanding of this is that the ECL can only read the status of systems to verify a checklist item. The checklist can't change anything, and I don't think it will flag up an EICAS message if a check is missed. So if you don't accomplish a checklist there will be no effect on the systems. So where's the advantage for a user in opting not to have ECL simulated?

 

Some would prefer not to bother with it, I can see that the ECL would be a bother while hand flying especially if you manage the throttles as well. But aside that the ECL will be an awesome feature.

Some would prefer not to bother with it, I can see that the ECL would be a bother while hand flying especially if you manage the throttles as well. But aside that the ECL will be an awesome feature.

It won't bother anyone if they don't press the CHKL button. Unless you select the checklists to read they won't pop up.

 

In real life you wouldn't be reading checklists while manoeuvring, handling throttles etc. Only the landing checklist occurs in a busy flight phase and that's usually very short. So basically if you want to use the ECL you select it when you are ready. If you don't want to use it you don't select it. To make it a pilot selectable option just adds more work for PMDG programmers.

It won't bother anyone if they don't press the CHKL button. Unless you select the checklists to read they won't pop up.

 

In real life you wouldn't be reading checklists while manoeuvring, handling throttles etc. Only the landing checklist occurs in a busy flight phase and that's usually very short. So basically if you want to use the ECL you select it when you are ready. If you don't want to use it you don't select it. To make it a pilot selectable option just adds more work for PMDG programmers.

 

In real life the pilot not flying handles the ECL just like how he would handle a paper version, I'm not asking for it to be a customizatiable option since its much easier to use or not to use it at your own discretion.

In real life the pilot not flying handles the ECL just like how he would handle a paper version, I'm not asking for it to be a customizatiable option since its much easier to use or not to use it at your own discretion.

Surely both Pilot Flying and Pilot Monitoring participate in the checklist? It's not something the Pilot Monitoring does in isolation. But it's a only game so they aren't mandatory. I never go through them (that's why I stopped buying FS2Crew), others check every item every flight. However I'm sure the ECL will be an interesting feature for people to explore especially if they haven't seen it before. I still occasionally fly the PSS 777 in FS9 and the ECL adds interest to that.

 

As for my option comment, someone else was suggesting it be an option, I asked why and you replied so I assumed you also thought it should be an option. Sorry about that.

Of course both pilots participate but the pnf is the one who physically reads the card or manipulates the ecl so the pf can fly. In fs you have to do the job of both people. I always use checklists because many times it catches an item I forget such as strobe lights or setting the packs after engine start.

Surely both Pilot Flying and Pilot Monitoring participate in the checklist?

 

It all depends on the SOP, every Airline is different in many ways. What I've seen mostly is PNF reading the checklist and between the both of them they each set the necessary items & call set/checked/complete.