Would some one care to explain how a flight , let say klax to klas is structured? most of us have not flown a steam gauge jet seriously.

 

For example in the pmdg its a 5minute FMC calculation and then hit toga and have a gin n tonic till top of descent. How about the DC9, what does a typical flight plan look like?

 

Jet routes. VOR to VOR.

VOR-VOR works fine in the US where airways still have VOR stations for every course change and you tend to intercept waypoints already on a given radial.

 

As far as I've gathered, the difficulty only starts where you have modern procedures that aren't navaid based (EG. waypoints are not identified by VOR/RAD/DME but by coordinates alone). ENGM arrivals comes to mind, for example this one: https://www.ippc.no/...NGM_4-29_en.pdf But since this plane simulates flying before the 90s, you'll have to dig up older charts for those airfields or rely on vectoring on VATSIM/IVAO. You simply can't fly this with VOR equipment only.

 

I think, do correct me if I'm wrong.

 

BTW I bought it last night, and I love it except it climbs poorly (is it a bit under-powered? It felt like it was approaching it's coffin corner at FL290 with no PAX/cargo and full fuel tanks only) and the increasingly blurry (!) textures. I'd done the TML mod, but it must have reverted somehow:

 

You can fly with ADFs, too. They do still exist in FSX, but in reality they are slowly being decommissioned. Flight planning is more of a challenge. You need to find a DP that doesn't rely on these GPS/FMS fixes. That might be vectors, it might be one with a specific procedure turn to an intersection or VOR and then out on a radial from there. En route, you need to make sure that you aren't going over some long airway where coverage gets a bit spotty (typically over water, which you wouldn't really do here, but could also be mountains that block coverage, especially at lower levels). And, for arrival and approach, you need to find a STAR that also doesn't have made of fixes. There's always one or two in the U.S., not sure about elsewhere. And of course, don't plan to do the RNAV approach.

I wrote a small review with some screenshot - for all who are still not sure wether to buy it or not:

 

http://forum.avsim.net/topic/385805-air-canada-dc-9-coolsky-review/

I think some of you guys need double check what you are posting regarding about arrival and departure's. At KLAX alone, there are 13 arrival procedures currently published and there is only one (designated as RNAV) that this aircraft is not able to legally navigate based on the equipment installed. I don't have the time to look up every major airport, but I would be willing to bet that the amount of

departures and arrivals this aircraft can navigate, exceed the amount it can not. RNAV procedures are more common at smaller airports where small amounts of traffic don't justify the cost to install and maintain the equipment that is required for radio navigation. Fixes on charts published in the U.S. designated with a little "triangle" DO NOT require GPS/RNAV equipment. Obviously, the work load and maintaining situational awarness is more difficult then following a magenta line on a moving map, but I believe that is the attraction to an old work horse such as the DC-9

BTW I bought it last night, and I love it except it climbs poorly (is it a bit under-powered? It felt like it was approaching it's coffin corner at FL290 with no PAX/cargo and full fuel tanks only) and the increasingly blurry (!) textures. I'd done the TML mod, but it must have reverted somehow:

You you change anything in your setting it will always go back to default 1024 that's why you get the SS above.

You could always go really old school (bear in mind these do not take winds into account, but a starting point...

 

RIPAM 1M to ELRAT

RIPAM Head 12 degrees 5m 250kts

GUDEX Head 12 degrees 4m6s 250kts

VEREV Head 12 degrees 4m54s 250kts

GM803 Head 12 degrees 3m22s 235kts

GM722 Head 13 degrees 1m36s 220kts

GM717 Head 357 degrees 2m6s 220kts

GM718 Head 18 degrees 2m4s 220kts

GM719 Head 38 degrees 2m6s 220kts

GM727 Head 58 degrees 2m4s 220kts

GM21 Head 157 degrees 6m 220kts

Thanks Dave, I'll try changing it again and not touching my settings.

 

Sara that's interesting. As you can see here, ENGM only has RNAV approaches: https://www.ippc.no/.../ENGM/engm.html I think this is more and more common, at least in Europe.

 

Doing it your way probably turns it into a non precision approach with all the wild weather up here but that's probably the only way to place oneself on a reasonably good intercept course for the ILS without slamming into any nearby mountains. The stop watch sure will come in handy :lol:

Your welcome,

as the airport has a DVOR 115.95 aswell, you can also use that to take a bearing and distance as a cross-check for position,

And Brabdbu VOR on 112.75 about 28nm away, so could hone in a bit better, although better with 2 people for that depth.

 

Oh, and thanks for the list of Norwegian charts, I thought i had them in my Jeppesen's, but it would appear not lol.

 

Take care,

 

sara

Tore, just to be clear (or just to pick nits) there are radio-based approaches to ENGM, but only RNAV arrivals. I won't claim to know EU flight rules terribly well, but in the U.S. you can designate what equipment you have but ATC won't give you a STAR if you can't fly it. (Ok, they might try to give it to you, but you don't have to take it...) So, in theory if you fly this DC-9 into ENGM, they would vector you to an approach IAF like an ILS and that's it. You wouldn't win any friends with ATC, but them the breaks. In reality, they would probably give you vectors close to the actual arrival they want to be using.

Tore, just to be clear (or just to pick nits) there are radio-based approaches to ENGM, but only RNAV arrivals. I won't claim to know EU flight rules terribly well, but in the U.S. you can designate what equipment you have but ATC won't give you a STAR if you can't fly it. (Ok, they might try to give it to you, but you don't have to take it...) So, in theory if you fly this DC-9 into ENGM, they would vector you to an approach IAF like an ILS and that's it. You wouldn't win any friends with ATC, but them the breaks. In reality, they would probably give you vectors close to the actual arrival they want to be using.

 

Bingo. And thank you. The DC-9 is equipped to operate in any class bravo/charlie across the country.

I just realized that the Mcphat liveries that come with the plane are low definition and that if you want the high definition ones, the same livery even, you have to purchase additional livery packs. Really? For a $50 airplane they couldn't have just thrown in a couple of high def liveries as a perk?

I just realized that the Mcphat liveries that come with the plane are low definition and that if you want the high definition ones, the same livery even, you have to purchase additional livery packs. Really? For a $50 airplane they couldn't have just thrown in a couple of high def liveries as a perk?

 

Yes. This was discussed earlier in this thread.

I just realized that the Mcphat liveries that come with the plane are low definition and that if you want the high definition ones, the same livery even, you have to purchase additional livery packs. Really? For a $50 airplane they couldn't have just thrown in a couple of high def liveries as a perk?

 

Just to re-cap, Mcphat were employed by Through Coolsky (The Programmers), by Flight One (The Publisher) to release Normal Definition Textures only and the VC textures, and models.

As they were worked in 4096 at Mcphat, that's how they were released at Mcphat Studios only for the general public to enjoy.

 

There are freeby HD textures in the making for down load

Tore, just to be clear (or just to pick nits) there are radio-based approaches to ENGM, but only RNAV arrivals. I won't claim to know EU flight rules terribly well, but in the U.S. you can designate what equipment you have but ATC won't give you a STAR if you can't fly it. (Ok, they might try to give it to you, but you don't have to take it...) So, in theory if you fly this DC-9 into ENGM, they would vector you to an approach IAF like an ILS and that's it. You wouldn't win any friends with ATC, but them the breaks. In reality, they would probably give you vectors close to the actual arrival they want to be using.

 

That's very cool, you learn something new every day. Thanks! I'd ask for a vectoring on VATSIM/IVAO for sure, whenever there's no ATC I'll probably just do visual approaches with this bird or stay away from IMC if there are only RNAV arrivals.

 

ATM I'm in South America on a world tour, so I'll be sure to do a LOT of homework before venturing down into the Andes mountain valleys in this bird. It's great fun so far, and I'm really learning something new every time I use it, which is for me at least half the fun of flight simming.