Winds must have been > 10 KTS?

comfortable

 

Bulls eye, exactly what I feel with XP10.

So reality is not an issue? Sorry if I am confused but comfortable is a new siimming term for me....

So reality is not an issue? Sorry if I am confused but comfortable is a new siimming term for me....

 

Being more comfortable in one sim over another encompasses the entire experience.

From the key strokes to the flight model.

Never been comfortable in 31 years but if you are - cheers!

Never been comfortable in 31 years but if you are - cheers!

 

Thanks!

I dont get whats difficult with multi sim?

 

My list is as follows,

 

DCS A10, blackshark, p51

Falcon BMS

Xplane.

FSX

IL2

 

I also have but not so much to my liking for bugs or aircraft type - cliffs of dover and rise of flight.

 

Between them it is not the different platform that gives me issues, it's the planes themselves!

 

Honestly, if xplane had a properly modeled A10, p51 and falcon it would not be any easier to master them than it is right now spread across two or more different platforms.

 

As to the quote, Jack of all trades, master of none. What a bunch of baloney! I am not trying to master xplane. I am not trying to master FSX. I am trying to master the aircraft and I dont care if my aircraft are all contained in one sim or across many.

I dont get whats difficult with multi sim?

 

My list is as follows,

 

DCS A10, blackshark, p51

Falcon BMS

Xplane.

FSX

IL2

 

I also have but not so much to my liking for bugs or aircraft type - cliffs of dover and rise of flight.

 

Between them it is not the different platform that gives me issues, it's the planes themselves!

 

Honestly, if xplane had a properly modeled A10, p51 and falcon it would not be any easier to master them than it is right now spread across two or more different platforms.

 

As to the quote, Jack of all trades, master of none. What a bunch of baloney! I am not trying to master xplane. I am not trying to master FSX. I am trying to master the aircraft and I dont care if my aircraft are all contained in one sim or across many.

 

Not meaning to come across as insulting, but you also didn't get what could be changed in the flight model of an x plane aircraft to compensate for turbulence. I explained it (with screenshots) and you never replied with any thoughts or opinions.

I even beta tested Flight. THAT was a shame that it ended. It was very promising!

 

Yes! MS FLIGHT was bigger than most can even guess... Looking at the new "airfiles" revealed things we could have had in the future, and, for those who like the accuracy of some aspects of X-Plane10 modelling, it's nice to know most of these were there too, down to the "excessive" torque-roll, and the "negative" torque effects (bank right when throttle idled...) on prop aircraft. The weather modelling is the best (since Flight Unlimited) in terms of effects of wind gusts & turbulence (vertical and horizontal components are there like in no other sim!!!).

 

I am using plain vanilla FSX Gold, with just a few remarkable add-ons. I will not invest more on this platform - just re-installed what I already had bought.( RealAIr Citabia/Dechatlon/SF.260, LevelD767, Flight1 PC-12 ). After the excellent experience with the Carenado Baron58 in X-Plane10, I, who always believed the arguments against the quality of Carenado's add-ons for FSX, without ever having tried one, was tempted to buy a Carenado for FSX, BUT - any future investments in aircraft or scenery add-ons will be directed ONLY towards X-Plane10 and ELITE).

 

FSX Gold is a great platform and serves perfectly the reasons I re-installed it for.

X-Plane10 has a bright future, great flight and overall modelling, and it's excellent for flying rotary wing.

ELITE is the most perfect simulation platform for IFR training. The panels are 2D, the scenery sparse and from the tiime of fs5, almost, but the ease of interaction with the various instruments is something I simply can't find in either X-Plane or FSX. The GNS430 module is going to get a lot cheaper in the near future, and the databases for the whole Europe, Africa, Middle East and Asia too

 

I start FSX to fly the PC-12, the LevelD767, the SF.260, the Citabria/Dechatlon or even some of the default aircraft, and enjoy the smooth ride that not owning beautiful but heavy add-ons, and having applied Word Not Allowed's tweaks can give me - a sharp 29-30 fps! Scenery and weather plausibility is great specially around the areas where I sim fly the most. I'd say it's balanced with X-Plane10, which gives me better plausibility here and there, but is not up to the quality of FSX in other aspects.

 

I start X-Plane10 to fly the few add-ons I bought for it and are a charm to use (LES dc-3 and Sundowner, Carenado b-58 and Seneca) and a few freeware like the great IL-14. I love the realism of the airports/runways/lighting, specially at night. I also like the overall physics, particlularly when it comes to rotary wing, which I never flew as a pilot but did try as a very interested passenger (once even seating in the right seat!!!). I particularly see in X-Plane10 a lot of potential, and look fwd for 10.20/30.... and for the new features LR will include and for the great add-ons that, when X-Plame10 core gets stable, the 3pds will feel comfortable to produce.

 

I start ELITE for an IFR/IMC flight around Portugal/Spain. I can follow the original aircraft manuals, as well as the original GPS manuals (GX50/55/60/65 and Trimble 2000) and expect EXACTLY the true behavior from the simulator. I also like the way ELITE translates METAR to it's weather system. I may invest further in ELITE buying the GNS 430 module and upgrading to ELITE Premium v8.5 including full eruropean and africa / asia / middle east databases.

 

What did I gain? Simple - all I was missing when stupidly obliterating myself from using FSX Gold (I kept using ELITE... the only simulator I never uninstalled :-)

So reality is not an issue? Sorry if I am confused but comfortable is a new siimming term for me....

 

Why in the world would anybody want their needs to be everybody else's? My God!!!

 

I don't have a problem with multi-platform, in fact I've own every single MSFS ver there is, including Fly and Fly2, DCS Warthog, and Black Shartk. I've just decided to stick to the one that I get the most pleasure from.

 

The only "reality" I look for in a sim are the cockpit instruments as I have learned how to navigate on GPS or instruments only, the fluidity of them and NO blurries; XP provides that, so my needs are completely different then yours.

I tried to go multi. Several times. Even with my favorite FSX add ons. PMDG's 747-400 and the RFP 747-200 (I had a very early beta, many years ago).

Couldn't do it. Things are way too different.

Unlike Carlos, I AM a real pilot, and I do prefer X Plane as an overall choice. And it's not because I have a vested interest in X Plane. If it was about that, I would have entered the FSX development world years ago. The market is much more lucrative (Oh, the figures that I have been told!). I simply chose what I was personally comfortable with and what I consider better...for ME.

Keeping in mind, I was heavily into MSFS since FS5 up until FSX. I even beta tested Flight. THAT was a shame that it ended. It was very promising!

 

No, they're not. As a real pilot myself, I spent a fair amount of time last weekend with both sims, and came to my normal conclusion that they are not far apart. You may be attempting to givine the impression, that somehow as a pilot.............you believe that X-Planes flight modeling is above what's capable for FSX. IMO, that's very untrue. For example, at another forum, a non-pilot asked the question about the left drift tendency of X-Planes models on takeoff. He mentioned that it wasn't occuring in FSX. Since it was an X-Plane forum............the answer given was "that you're with X-Plane now, forget what you learned with FSX"........since most single engine aircraft do drift left." The correct answer would have been the fact, that FSX has the option of "auto-rudder". This is for simmers who don't have rudder pedals or twist grips. In reality, FSX aircraft DO left drift, just as they should, if modeled correctly. Actually the same applies to X-Plane.......as in "modeled correctly".

 

For me as a pilot, who has had the oppertunity to fly rather spirited single engine airplanes, in regards to performance.............I'm not about to give up simulated aircraft, such as is available from RealAir for FSX. They're just too good, in terms of flight modeling. If it came down to "one", I'd stick with RealAir. But................it doesn't. Better to go multi!

 

L.Adamson

Yes they are. Every single key press is different. The smoothness of the gauges is different. The entire platform is different in its code. One uses OpenGL and the other uses DirectX.

As for the rest of your post, I really don't care to get drawn into yet another FSX vs X Plane debate with you, Larry.

What I will say is that everyone has their own opinion. Your opinion differs from mine and every other person who prefers X Plane over FSX. Doesn't make us wrong in our choices.

If you, and Geof, and Jason can go multi, my hats off to you all. I said it in another post. If someone put a gun to my head and told me to fire up FSX and be completely at ease with it or they pull the trigger, after spending 3 years in X Plane, I would say "Give me 1 last meal!".

Jason said he can't understand how some of us cannot go multi? Well, I say I can't understand how he can switch so easily.

To each their own, I guess.

Why in the world would anybody want their needs to be everybody else's? My God!!!

 

I don't have a problem with multi-platform, in fact I've own every single MSFS ver there is, including Fly and Fly2, DCS Warthog, and Black Shartk. I've just decided to stick to the one that I get the most pleasure from.

 

The only "reality" I look for in a sim are the cockpit instruments as I have learned how to navigate on GPS or instruments only, the fluidity of them and NO blurries; XP provides that, so my needs are completely different then yours.

 

The way I figure it, is that when I get a CPU that's capable of running XP10 in all it's glory...........is that it will do extremely well with FSX too. In the meantime, there are plenty of fluid instrumented aircraft for FSX, and FSX doesn't get the fog rolling in, such as XP9. I'm the type, that prefers to visually see mountain landscapes, that are much farther away, than what the fog shows.

 

In the meantime, calm down, no one is saying that their needs should be everyone elses.

 

Yes they are. Every single key press is different. The smoothness of the gauges is different. The entire platform is different in its code. One uses OpenGL and the other uses DirectX.

 

I'm not talking about key presses or computer coding. I'm talking about the impression of flying a real aircraft. As to the smoothness of gauges, do try a RealAir sometime. They got past the MSFS limitations many years ago.

I WAS talking about key presses, earlier in the thread.

And I know about the smoothness of the gauges that are capable...with heavy programming. This feature comes as standard in X Plane. No plug ins required.

 

 

The way I figure it, is that when I get a CPU that's capable of running XP10 in all it's glory...........is that it will do extremely well with FSX too. In the meantime, there are plenty of fluid instrumented aircraft for FSX, and FSX doesn't get the fog rolling in, such as XP9. I'm the type, that prefers to visually see mountain landscapes, that are much farther away, than what the fog shows.

 

X Plane 10 doesn't have fog. XP9 is ancient these days.

 

In the meantime, calm down, no one is saying that their needs should be everyone elses.

 

Probably the only statement you posted that I can agree with.

Now if only you can practise what you preach.

In the meantime, calm down, no one is saying that their needs should be everyone elses.

 

LOL, it takes a lot more to get me fired up Larry, anyway thanks for your concern.

 

On the "CPU" thing, well with $80 I just upgraded my system with a Phenom II X4 BE and kept everything else (you can check out my PC specs) and I can tell you that I can run XP10 with quite a bit of eye-candy very smoothly with at least 30 FPS, its incredible how smooth this sim is and that's one thing I love about it.

 

With the same system FSX still micro stutters (even with Nick's and Word Not Allowed's tweaks) and still has the blurries problem. I would have to spend $600 on a new i7, mobo and mem just to get FSX to where I like in a sim; like a said, I'm budget limited right now.,

 

I can probably agree with you with anything that you may want to say about XP9 though.