man, this made my day :lol: , this have demonstrated the knowledge a lot of people here have.

 

virgin737pilot, the invitation to the cockpit was the worst thing you did, you played with the guy's dreams.

Back on topic though...

 

Bit concerning that RNP not looking likely in the 777/747 either then, think this something that all the community needs to start addressing as legislation continues to progress with the requirement for rnav1, both SIDS, stars, and approaches will all shortly contain rnav coded elements. Many procedures that exist now based on radials/fixes dme etc can't simply have the rnav equivelant overlaid onto them, and even if not a total radical redisgn often elements require to change to become rnav1 compliant(often seen in initial noise abatement parts of SIDS)

 

Think this a high priority for all developers and NAVdata suppliers to fsx, because we will shortly see these high fidelity sims unable of doing what we all enjoy doing and that's simulating real world procedures. By end of 2013 there will be airports in uk that all their procedures, and not just say any new apv Baro approaches that introduced, will be unflyable with PMDG aircraft correctly due to it not being able to accept rnav1 coding.

Miguel,

 

You've made gross assumptions.

 

First - I much prefer a J class seat. The jump is so tediously uncomfortable.

 

Second - My dream has eventuated, and I am currently living it.

 

Don't worry Drake. Continue to make contributions to this forum. A fair go, for you, is in order.

 

Mike McKenna.

Good day all,

 

Just for info, YMML Rwy 16 ILS does in fact have CAT 111a & CAT111b approach...... has been certified for some time.

 

Regards,

 

Stewart Thompson

For info, autopilot is not recommended below MDA+50 or DA on a non-precision approach. Boeing FCTM recommends that VNAV only be used as a reference below this level with visual references as the primary means of vertical guidance (which really requires you to hand-fly).

 

A note for PMDG, while data for RNP approaches with RF legs is still generally unavailable now, these will be increasingly easier to access in the coming years as these approaches are available to a wider range of operators. Furthermore, there are other leg types (other than RF) than are currently unavailable in the current database format (e.g. AF legs, or DME arcs, must be crudely constructed; PI procedure turn legs are also unavailable and are impossible to program at the moment).

Yes, this really needs to be a high priority, I'd rather see resources put into this than any new aircraft. As simply new aircraft unable to do this will become limited in operation.

 

A large unit I am very familiar with will have at some point, due construction work, only apv-baronav approaches available for some months. And all their SIDS will shortly be rnav1.

 

It rapidly will be case that actually the high fidelity sim isn't what it is at all because it won't be capable of actuall flying any procedures without some crude made up procedures, pretty much make the NAVdata downloads pointless.

- The FMS and our navdata format does not have support for several RNP related things - RF legs, the true encoded RNP value "metadata" that's in real life navdata, and a couple other small things. These are all on the list for when we finally go and redo our navdata format to be fully ARINC 424 compliant. I have no ETA for when that will be - it's a huge undertaking for Vangelis and Alex and will require a ton of testing. That stuff is at the core of how the FMC code functions.

 

With the 777, 747, and who knows what else coming, I think it's going to be a pretty good time to do this ASAP and get all the addons supporting it! Happy you guys still have that on your goal! I thought PMDG had given up the idea after I asked about it a while ago.

Airservices Australia has just published the RNP AR procedures for Melbourne, including RF leg centre points. Almost all of these procedures contain RF legs.

 

http://www.airservicesaustralia.com/aip/current/sup/s12-h102.pdf

 

Brisbane RNP AR procedures have also previously been published.

With the 777, 747, and who knows what else coming, I think it's going to be a pretty good time to do this ASAP and get all the addons supporting it! Happy you guys still have that on your goal! I thought PMDG had given up the idea after I asked about it a while ago.

 

Apparently the good thing about how these are modelled is, 777 and 747 can use what was written for the 737, and once the new way is ready, you just switch the boxes via a servicepack, and voila - a smarter box!

(I do have to say, the current format is really quite stupid for this day and age. It is well over 10 years old though, to be fair!)

(I do have to say, the current format is really quite stupid for this day and age. It is well over 10 years old though, to be fair!)

 

Peter are you referring to the way PMDG programmes this or the real life scenario?

 

IRL the coding rules are ARINC424 database rules and have been around for a lot longer than 10 years.

 

I assume you are referring to PMDG? :rolleyes:

Think this a high priority for all developers and NAVdata suppliers to fsx, because we will shortly see these high fidelity sims unable of doing what we all enjoy doing and that's simulating real world procedures. By end of 2013 there will be airports in uk that all their procedures, and not just say any new apv Baro approaches that introduced, will be unflyable with PMDG aircraft correctly due to it not being able to accept rnav1 coding.

 

James

 

Thats unfortunate that the UK are going RNAV1 and 2..that standard really is "old" in terms of what is available. Basically just a rename of BRNAV and PRNAV

 

RNP 1 and RNP 2 should be the standards for SID STAR development given the vast majority of aircraft flying SIDs and STARs are GPS equipped. Development should not be aimed at the lowest common denominator, rather non GPS aircraft should be handled as exceptions.

Peter are you referring to the way PMDG programmes this or the real life scenario?

 

IRL the coding rules are ARINC424 database rules and have been around for a lot longer than 10 years.

 

I assume you are referring to PMDG? :rolleyes:

 

Yes, I am referring to PMDG format.