December 6, 201213 yr According to an article I read on Tom's Hardware today Haswell may be the last desktop based CPU's with LGA packaging for the mainstream off the shelf PC. There is speculation according to the article that they may be moving to BGA modules for mainstream PC's. In other words the MOBO will have the processor as an integral part. Just head to Tom's Hardware for more info or Google the subject.
December 6, 201213 yr CPU Strap, that's what Haswell is supposed to bring to the table in the OC arena. Just a gimmick really. In the past, FSB overclock used to be preferred over multipliers because you got the uncore (now system agent) overclocked with it. That provided a slight perf boost mainly because of the L3 cache & memory bandwidth increase that came with it. When SB and it's ring bus architecture was introduced ,the uncore / SA became tied to the CPU multi, so there's no need for FSB - BCLK overclock anymore. It makes OC so much more straightforward too. The way I see it, it's pretty obvious to me that Intel realised that there's a market in overclockers. They locked their low end chips so you need to go mid range if you want OC capabilities. No more getting an el cheapo I3 and OC the hell out of it to get almost the same performance you would get from an I5 that costs almost twice as much. Then, in the enthusiast platform they included this CPU strap thing. It's just another attempt to set platforms apart, for those who are ready to pay more but have no idea what they're paying for. It's completely expendable That's not to say that Haswell will not overclock more than SB/IB. Maybe Tri-Gate will start to shine after two years of production. After all that's what the tick - tock thing is all about
December 6, 201213 yr el cheapo I3 :lol: Or Intel could start unlocking their Celeron's and Atom chips... We could send those to a blazing 3GHZ!!!! :LMAO:
December 6, 201213 yr It was a rumor... http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/intel_says_company_committed_sockets2012
December 6, 201213 yr :lol: Or Intel could start unlocking their Celeron's and Atom chips... We could send those to a blazing 3GHZ!!!! :LMAO: LMAO It was a rumor... http://www.maximumpc...ted_sockets2012 Good to know, thanks for the HU Alain
December 6, 201213 yr It was a rumor... http://www.maximumpc...ted_sockets2012 As far as I understand about the situation is that Haswell will bee for s1150 kind of what Lynnfield was for s1156. Any one who bought a high end Lynnfield were never able to buy a high end Clarkdale replacement. Broadwell will not come in a socketed version but Intel will continue to supply Haswell for high end mainstream desktops that want socketed CPUs. So Broadwell will mainly be about mobile devices and only a few desktops where it comes soldered to the mobo. Come Skylake the socket will be back again. So us DIYers won't get the taste of Broadwell, we will go Haswell to Skylake. And when it comes to Haswell for desktop it looks like it'll be past summer until it's up for grabs. It will first and foremost end up in mobile chips when it launches during 2nd quarter 2013.
December 6, 201213 yr They talk quite a bit about it in the 12th Anandtech Podcast. http://www.anandtech.com/show/6491/the-anandtech-podcast-episode-12
December 6, 201213 yr It was a rumor... http://www.maximumpc...ted_sockets2012 One can only speculate how many calls to Intel's HQ to squash the rumor mill occured, from manufactures of MB's, Ram, and other peripherals! I would think that the rumor might have had an adverse effect on the markets.
December 9, 201213 yr Author You aren't going to see i7 models drop in price. One has to think of the i3, i5 and i7 names as brands, not specific CPU models. Intel will keep updating the internal architecture and pushing out new generations. For example, moving from Sandy Bridge to Ivy Bridge CPU core designs. On the other hand, with an older program like FSX, the i5 series will run the sim just as well as an i7. The additional features in the i7 line, like hyper threading, don't help FSX much. So there is no point in buying a I7 for FSX ?! But I see many posts about people having an I7 system. Why do they pay more for a I7 if I5 is as good ?
December 9, 201213 yr So there is no point in buying a I7 for FSX ?! But I see many posts about people having an I7 system. Why do they pay more for a I7 if I5 is as good ? They might other uses for the system that do benefit from an i7. Might not have known the i5s are just as good for FSX.
December 9, 201213 yr I7s tend to use "better" silicon and as such can usually OC higher and/or with less voltage. Also 2MB additional L3 cache.
December 10, 201213 yr Let me offer a different view of the future. First there is a massive Catch 22 going on. Microsoft wants to get out of the desktop game. How? Cloud. The only interface the client needs is something that will run a browser. All the data and computation is kept on the cloud. The suits at the big companies like this as they can get rid of massive numbers of IT professionals. MS wins as it gets out of the game it never was very good at...customer support, especially of DIY rigs. MS has the data and processes the data...and stores the data. Where does the local IT staff come in? The new Office suite is browser centric. MS has nearly full control of all the aspects of IT. Windows 8 isn't a serious step forward in the evolution of the "windows" paradigm. It, in fact, is a tablet opsys glued on the front of a striped down Windows 7. Sorry, but W7 is the end of the road for the Windows paradigm. Where does this leave tel, the other side of WinTel? If the huge enterprise market for big desktop iron disappears then Intel has a problem. How much horsepower does it take to run a browser...say an ARM chip? Is not everyone dashing to make their own ARM chip and thus making themselves no longer dependent on Intel? What motivation does Intel have to make a mass produced killer CPU? The way the industry is moving, it has not much motivation at all. So maybe not the Haswell or its successor, but I could have never seen the last 5 years coming. Where will I run FSX if x86-64 goes away? What is the real direction of LM and P3D? How soon will I have to hang up my virtual wings? George Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD G Halvorsen
December 10, 201213 yr Remember all the fears about consoles being the death of the Pc, at least the gamer market? Well, it seems that the tablet and cloud computing are hammering at the nails on the pc's coffin. A.J. Domingo
December 10, 201213 yr Author I7s tend to use "better" silicon and as such can usually OC higher and/or with less voltage. Also 2MB additional L3 cache. How much difference do this extra 2 Mb L3 cache make in FSX (or other games) ? Windows 8 isn't a serious step forward in the evolution of the "windows" paradigm. It, in fact, is a tablet opsys glued on the front of a striped down Windows 7. Sorry, but W7 is the end of the road for the Windows paradigm. In what way is Win 7 striped down and why? Do you say that Win 7 is and are going to remain the best OS for flight simming ?
December 10, 201213 yr How soon will I have to hang up my virtual wings? Your post EXACTLY summarizes what I've been feeling recently... Remember all the fears about consoles being the death of the Pc, at least the gamer market? Well, it seems that the tablet and cloud computing are hammering at the nails on the pc's coffin. Sad but true....
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