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Did I just skim over that article too quickly or is it just me finding that Toms are saying that if you run applications that require your system to do a lot of paging to disk it is good to invest in more RAM. Hardly anything new.

 

How many people here have had their SSDs to die of age from writing too much data to them? None

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Mines 3 months old now. Not sure what to expect. Sticking with 8GB ram.

 

C.

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If this really concerns you, use/get a HD (rotating media) for your paging file.  It's that simple, though it will be a substantial performance hit in comparison to paging on the SSD (assuming that you are using apps that really are page swapping).

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I think that the point of the article is that you can prevent a substantial number of writes to your SSD (with a gain in performance) if you have more ram.  

 

Regards

jja 

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To me it seems logical that more RAM will result in decreased writes to a SSD. I'm assembling a new Haswell based system and intend to have OS installed on a 240GB Intel 520 SSD. 16GB RAM.

 

What's your opinon on how I should setup Windows swapfile. Leave it as it is or setup a static 1GB swapfile, or...?

 

I quit flying FSX a couple of years ago and mainly use my pc for photo editing with Photshop and Lightroom. But with my new Haswell buld I'm a little bit tempted to install FSX once again :-)

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Sounds like a great new build.  I always recommend letting the OS manage the swap file otherwise it is like gilding the Lily (IOW leave well enough alone)

 

Regards

jja 

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Thanks jja,

 

I'll let Windows Operating System Forces manage the swapfile ^_^

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Got 8GB and I've done heavy gaming with simultaneus h264 encoding without the RAM ever running out, so you might not need it at all. if you wanna take it safe just leave it at Auto.

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I think that the point of the article is that you can prevent a substantial number of writes to your SSD (with a gain in performance) if you have more ram.  

 

Regards

jja 

 

That's not really all that different than minimizing writes to a hard drive in order to improve performance. If your system is heavily using the paging file (and the tests in that article used some pretty RAM heavy applications), then one should really look into more RAM. On the other hand, if the system is just being used for email and web browsing, I can't see 4 vs. 16 GB of RAM making much difference. I haven't heard of anyone wearing out a SSD yet.

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Agreed. this is like suggesting you should  buy a helmet and wear it at all times just in case you decide to club yourself in the head at some point.

 

I mean, if you're using RAM intensive apps, absolutely get as much RAM as you need, SSD or not

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Agreed. this is like suggesting you should buy a helmet and wear it at all times just in case you decide to club yourself in the head at some point.

... Or that you should wear seatbelts in a car in case you crash. Crazy, right?

 

Bicycle helmets are mandated by law in Australia.

 

Sheez, it's not like RAM is that expensive nowadays.

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... Or that you should wear seatbelts in a car in case you crash. Crazy, right?

 

Bicycle helmets are mandated by law in Australia.

 

Sheez, it's not like RAM is that expensive nowadays.

 

I don't think you got my point. All I'm saying is that you can't run a super RAM intensive benchmark on 4GB and suggest that anyone would benefit from upgrading to 16GB. I'd much rather have just enough fast RAM for my needs than amounts of slow RAM I don't need, just like I wear my helmet when I ride my road bike because that's where I have a use for it

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From what I have read lately:

 

1.) You don't gain anything from having more than 8GB of RAM for most games . . . UNLESS you are running a 64-bit game, such as the 64-bit version of X-Plane 10. (32-bit Windows can only use a maximum of 4GB per process.)

 

2.) Faster RAM is also important, even though most gaming benchmarks won't show that it increases performance. That is because most only show maximum FPS, and the biggest difference is in the increase of the lowest FPS (the low-performance spikes). Faster RAM will make some game/sims run smoother (Such as Skyrim, CIV 5, FSX, and X-Plane). +1600MHz RAM also has a more noticeable effect with faster CPUs . . . the more you overclock your CPU, the more benefit you will see with faster RAM. Plus there are other programs that will benefit from more than 8GB.

 

I'm getting a new PC this summer, and it is going to have 16GB of 2133MHz CL-10 RAM. Upgrading from 8GB @1600 added less than $100 to my build.

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From what I have read lately:
 
1.) You don't gain anything from having more than 8GB of RAM for most games . . . UNLESS you are running a 64-bit game, such as the 64-bit version of X-Plane 10. (32-bit Windows can only use a maximum of 4GB per process.)
 
2.) Faster RAM is also important, even though most gaming benchmarks won't show that it increases performance. That is because most only show maximum FPS, and the biggest difference is in the increase of the lowest FPS (the low-performance spikes). Faster RAM will make some game/sims run smoother (Such as Skyrim, CIV 5, FSX, and X-Plane). +1600MHz RAM also has a more noticeable effect with faster CPUs . . . the more you overclock your CPU, the more benefit you will see with faster RAM. Plus there are other programs that will benefit from more than 8GB.
 
I'm getting a new PC this summer, and it is going to have 16GB of 2133MHz CL-10 RAM. Upgrading from 8GB @1600 added less than $100 to my build.

 

Please read the article from the OP.

 

Cheers

jja

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@Arwen: CL 10 is not really fast, you´ll need CL 9, something like this:

 

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231638

Speed is a factor of both RAM Speed and Latency. Higher MHz RAM @ CL 10 can beat Slightly lower MHz RAM @ CL 9.
 
I'm having my system built for me, so my system memory selection is pretty limited (unless I'm willing to pay a premium for a special order). Plus my build includes a Noctua NH-D14 CPU cooler, so that pretty much limits my choices to low-profile memory sticks.
 
My choice was between 2133MHz CL-10 RAM, or 1866MHz CL-9 RAM, and the 2133MHz one is the faster [10/2133*2000=9.37] [9/1866*2000=9.65].  From what I have read, the sweet spot which had been 1600Mhz CL-9 (9/1600*2000=11.25) for the past few years, has increase a bit as CPUs have increase a bit.  Some now are suggesting that the new sweet spot is perhaps 1866MHz CL-9 RAM. Anything faster than that would not likely be worth the extra cost, due to the small benefit you might gain in performance. [Two 8GB sticks of 2133MHz CL-10 RAM only costs me $10 more than two 8GB sticks of 866MHz CL-9 RAM.]

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Please read the article from the OP.

 

Cheers

jja

I DID read that article before I wrote my reply!

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What I wrote was is response to the post above mine, where it was stated that there is no performance benefit for games/sims from increasing 8GB System RAM to 16GB. What I didn't point out (because I felt it would be obvious), was that if you're running a 64-bit game (which can use more than 4GB of RAM per process), that there would be a greater benefit with even fewer writes to a SSD.

 

Cheers to you too.

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@Arwen wrote:

 

"From what I have read, the sweet spot which had been 1600Mhz CL-9"

 

I really don´t know about any "sweet spot" - I still use 1600Mhz 7-8-7-24 T1 - and that´s fast!

 

You build as you prefer, I just wanted inform you about the faster RAM.

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Sweet Spot = "best bang for the buck":

 

http://www.gskill.com/en/review/view/g-skill-ripjawsz-ddr3-1600mhz-cl9-16gb-memory-review-at-benchmarkreviews-com?p=7 "Right now, a good DDR3-1600 memory kit hits the sweet spot for price vs. performance: it's faster than DDR3-1066 and DDR3-1333 (besides, there's some subtle enthusiast stigma attached to memory slower than 1600MHz), and provides virtually the same performance as much more expensive "high performance" memory. You'll get G.SKILL's lifetime warranty and support in a 16GB kit that's less than $90 at Newegg, which is the lowest price I can find for a DDR3-1600 quad channel memory kit with 9-9-9-24 timings. Right now this is the best bang for the buck available in a memory kit of these specs."

 

http://archive.benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=856&Itemid=67&limit=1&limitstart=5 "This memory hits the sweet spot for price vs. performance: it's faster than DDR3-1066 and DDR3-1333 (besides, there's some subtle enthusiast stigma attached to memory slower than 1600MHz), and provides virtually the same performance as much more expensive "high performance" memory."

 

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6372/memory-performance-16gb-ddr31333-to-ddr32400-on-ivy-bridge-igp-with-gskill/14 "For the majority of users, the DDR3-1866 C9 kit from G.Skill is a great buy, as long as the user remembers to enable XMP(!).  Budget conscious builds will find solace in the DDR3-1600 C9 kit, which is a no brainer over the 1333 C9 kit for the extra $5.  If your pockets are a little deeper, then the G.Skill DDR3-2133 C9 kit will offer some extra performance, but not as much as jumping between the other kits will.  The DDR3-2400 C10 kit is not in the right ballpark compared to the other kits and only serves well for forum signatures.  To sum up:

 
$75: Ares DDR3-1333 9-9-9 4x4 GB
$80: RipjawsX DDR3-1600 9-9-9 4x4 GB – Recommended for Budget Conscious
$95: Sniper DDR3-1866 9-10-9 4x4 GB – Recommended 
$130: RipjawsZ DDR3-2133 9-11-10 4x4 GB – Recommended for Deeper Pockets
$145: TridentX DDR3-2400 10-12-12 4x4 GB – Not Recommended"

 

http://www.tested.com/tech/pcs/456423-how-buy-ram-your-pc/ "For general computing and gaming, 8GB of RAM is the sweet spot. Get a set of two 4GB DDR3 DIMMs, at at least 1600MHz. If you're running AMD's Trinity platform, you should get DDR3/1866, but DDR3/2133 is a good step up if you can afford it. If you're on Ivy Bridge or Haswell, DDR3/1866 is a good step up. Don't worry about fancy heatspreaders or the lack thereof, unless you have a big CPU heatsink. Get RAM from a reputable manufacturer, preferably something from your motherboard's Qualified Vendor List, and make sure it's set in the BIOS to run at its rated speeds."

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$130: RipjawsZ DDR3-2133 9-11-10 4x4 GB – Recommended for Deeper Pockets

 

These work great!

 

Cheers

jja


I DID read that article before I wrote my reply!

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What I wrote was is response to the post above mine, where it was stated that there is no performance benefit for games/sims from increasing 8GB System RAM to 16GB. What I didn't point out (because I felt it would be obvious), was that if you're running a 64-bit game (which can use more than 4GB of RAM per process), that there would be a greater benefit with even fewer writes to a SSD.

 

Cheers to you too.

Sorry - I read (or don't read =) too fast.

 

Regards

jja

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If one has 16 Gb of Ram it is possible to turn off the page file entirely and benefit from increased performance accordingly.

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If one has 16 Gb of Ram it is possible to turn off the page file entirely and benefit from increased performance accordingly.

Have you our somebody else performed some benchmarking? Links would be very much appreciated :mellow:

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