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New i7 - 4770K FSX Rig ... comment away

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Nice system there. But imo you could save some buck, unless you have money to burn.

 

2x8gb is too much for FSX, I have the same memory but 2x4gb and I havent had an OOM crash.

 

Why a 300Gb velociraptor? I rather have a 7200rpm 1TB.

 

I wont get into the GPU part. But mine runs FSX and everything else veeeery smooth. Note that YMMV.

 

Bluray??... Ok

 

Also Im not struggling with my 128GB SSD for FSX, but I reserve it just for that. Your case may be different.

 

My setup (under my profile) runs fsx like a breeeze, and I spent $1000 less than you are about to.

 

Remember, your system is great, this are just some tips for savings.

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Unless you are going to be doing video editing or something that actually needs 16GB of ram then get these instead and they come with the GSkill fan you have listed.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231638

 

Why do you want that NZXT USB expansion module, that Maximus VI Hero should have all the required USB 3.0 and USB 2.0 headers to support the HAF-X USB ports.  You can download the manual for the Hero off the Asus website and see.  My Maximux VI Extreme has enough headers to support all the USB ports on my HAF-X.

 

If you actually need another 300GB drive then I would consider getting another 840 Pro 256GB for another $100.00 since the 256GB SSD will hold as much as the 300GB HD.  Keep in mind with a Vrap HD for optimum performance you do not want them more than 65% to 70% full.  You can fill an SSD up to 80% to 85% for optimum performance.

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To save some money, you might want to lower your psu's wattage 650-750 is more than enough for a single card. Also, you could save some cash by going with a 770 instead of a 780. The 770 is more than enough for fsx, and if you get the right card you can over clock it to be near the 780. When playing fsx it would be unlikely for you to use 60% or more of you 780's true power. You also coulf save some by going with the 4670k over the 4770k. They are almost the same chip, and are built on the same line. The only difference is that the 4770k has hyperthreading.

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You are good to go....the one thing is, you may want to add a 150GB SSD just for the OS. Keep the 250GB SSD just for FSX. and install large photoscenry addons that take a lot of space on your HD... 

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As has been stated, if only building for FSX, and only running 1 monitor, a 770 is more than enough. 8 Gb of fast RAM with tight timings is plenty for FSX. With the savings, I'd opt for 2 SSD's. Regards

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Also you wont need the coollaboratory liquid pro. That one is good if you intend to delidd the cpu when applied as TIM between the cpu die and the IHS. Use the thermal paste that comes with the thermalright which is good enough.

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Wow ... by taking this advice I just saved $500 ... I knew I should run this by you guys first.

 

Thanks to everyone for the time you took to respond.

 

I went with the 770 ... the only game I play is MSFX ... you are right ... the 770 is more than enough.

 

I found out that the 500GB Vrap was only a couple of dollars more than the 300GB ... I have a 1TB in my existing machine that I'll be transferring to my new one.

 

The memory switch from 16GB to 8GB and the bundle with the fan was an awesome suggestion.

 

I am going to delid the CPU when I get it ... I watched and watched all the videos on YouTube and I now feel very comfortable now with the procedure (I was an Electronics Technician in the Navy).

 

Going to keep the 800W PS for $139, the difference is only about $40 and it'll be nice to have some wiggle room.

 

I am soooo tempted to go with the recommended i5 4670K ... as FSX does not use HT anyway ... I just feel better with the i7 4770K for some reason ($339 vice $239).  This has created a great dilemma for me now ... flip flopping all the time.

 

All in all ... great advice ... went from $2,300 to to $1,888.90 ... the wife will be pleased.

 

(Theme from Jeopardy playing in the background ... dum de dum, dum, dum, dum de dum ... dumpty dump ta dum dum dum) ...  


Final decision made ... i7 4670K advice won ... price now $1,788.90 ... I don't use a bunch of scenery ... FTX Global ... KATL ... KFLL ... weather is REX ... planes are 737NGX and the Level-D 767. 

 

As my old rig (an E8400 Wolfdale @ 3.0GHz) was running the NGX at ~17 fps this will obviously do better than that.

 

Nice work guys !!!

 

C. T.

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I would keep the 4770k. Larger L3 cache and more IPC than the 4570k. Also clock per clock isnt the same. It's not the same cpu with the only difference being HT like someone stated above. If you want the ultimate pc, keep the i7. Just my 2cents

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Interesting thread, I am sourcing parts for a high end FSX-only rig too. I read NickN's guide and I thought the chapter about storage was a bit confusing.

 

I am decided to go for the best of the best, so I am getting PCIe SSD's. But Nick advices to have separate storage for Windows and FSX.

 

Should I go for a 120Gb SSD for Windows and a 480Gb for FSX?

 

Cheers,

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Should I go for a 120Gb SSD for Windows and a 480Gb for FSX?

 

I approve. :)

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However you come out at the end, just make doubly sure you follow a good setup guide from beginning to end. I suggest Word Not Allowed's guide. NickN's new guide is coming along, but he wasn't kidding when he called it a "bible." His guide is 75% preaching and 25% useful practical advice. The Avsim official guide is another one but more tilted toward those willing to go with DX10 (at least that was my impression).

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Thanks, hehe, bible... sure :) :) Well, I sifted through it quite fast, I was especially interested in the groundwork, like how to install / declutter / adjust / optimize Win7, bios updates and such. Further how to install FSX vanilla correctly to have a solid platform. Then Acronis image the whole ting before I do anything more.

 

I am seriously traumatized by the whole undertaking of changing rig, my current (networked) rig is so obnoxiously stable, it handles pretty much everything I throw at it, but it is not optimal, and it is haunting me :)

 

But, heck, some time it is good to move out of the comfort zone ;)

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Yea ... that is a great price for the 4770K ... but it is for in-store pickup only.  I called to see if I could get around it but they said Intel won't let them ship it.

 

Weird ...


As for the 770 vice the 780 ... I am running two monitors ... but does doing that justify the cost of the 780 over the 770?

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As for the 770 vice the 780 ... I am running two monitors ... but does doing that justify the cost of the 780 over the 770?

 

If you are going to be using multi monitor particularly three monitors for for a wide view get the best video card you can afford.. do not listen to the naysayers. :P

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Interesting thread, I am sourcing parts for a high end FSX-only rig too. I read NickN's guide and I thought the chapter about storage was a bit confusing.

 

I am decided to go for the best of the best, so I am getting PCIe SSD's. But Nick advices to have separate storage for Windows and FSX.

 

Should I go for a 120Gb SSD for Windows and a 480Gb for FSX?

 

Cheers,

 

I don't know how many add-ons you have for FSX but 480GB SSD is enormous.  I have a 120GB SSD just for FSX and with the PMDG NGX, some FlyTampa airports, FTX Global and Active Sky 2012 only took up 35GB.  I have EZDok, Radar Contact, ActiveSky textures, etc... installed on my main drive and only the textures I select get placed onto the SSD for FSX.  It's an easy way to save space off the SSD and I can't ever imagine needing that much space.  My main HDD is a 500GB Western Digital and I've only used 100GB of it with everything else I have (Windows, other games, etc...).

 

@OP:  I recently just built an FSX PC and purchased the 4670K.  With just a cheap Coolermaster 212 EVO heatsink I pushed it to 4.4GHz @ 1.115V and temps are just fine.  It eats FSX alive.  You can see the rest of my specs in my profile but I run all FSX settings on Max, the PMDG NGX, AS2012, FTX Global and at FlyTampa airports I still sit up against my FPS Limiter of 30.  Traffic AI settings obviously takes a hit but I'm still trying to find a spot I'm satisfied with in compromise.  Currently my traffic settings are at 70% and frames still sit 25+ at major large airports.  Unless you have software that you know will take advantage of the HT, and in which you think is justified the extra $100, my vote is with the 4670K.  I just don't think i7's are worth their substantial price over the i5 Haswell's at this current time.

 

Also, 2400 RAM is rather overkill for the price; and if you aren't going to overclock your RAM anything over 1600 is a waste.  You don't need anything over 8GB unless you do high end video or photo editing.  I'd get these (it's also what I have) - it's even faster than the RAM you have listed:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231476

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I'm not an expert but, while FSX may not use hyperthreading, more and more aircraft/add-ons are running out-of-process threads.  I run my sim on an i7 with my affinity mask at 254 to get the smoothest performance. 

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New developments ... first and foremost was this overclocking guide by Linus Sebastian ... very, very informative ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CHs5_TdpXE

 

Next, he talked about the importance of getting the best PSU that you can for Haswell systems that supports the C6 and C7 states of the i7 4770K processor ... Corsair had the most PSUs that fit this requirement ... so out with the CoolerMaster and in with the CORSAIR AXi AX760i 760W Digital ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS PLATINUM Certified Full Modular Active PFC Power Supply New 4th Gen CPU Certified Haswell Ready PSU.  This worked out as the decrease in wattage from the CoolerMaster in contrast to the increase in quality from the Corsair resulted in a better PSU that fits my power needs for roughly the same cost.

 

And yes, he talked me into Corsair Dominator Platinum 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3 2400 memory chips ... they're sexy.

 

The next thing he talked me into was matching the ASUS MAXIMUS VI HERO with the ASUS GTX780-DC2OC-3GD5 GeForce GTX 780 3GB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card ... this wasn't a hard sell since Newegg just ran out of the EVGA card.  There is also the case of something known as VGA Hotwire that requires an ASUS GPU matched up with an ASUS Z87 MoBo ... I don't think I'm going to go there ... but it is around if I get to feeling froggy.

 

Also, the CyberPowerPC that I bought, even though it is water cooled, still generated temps of 90C plus when running Prime95 for only 10 to 15 minutes.  Something is very wrong there.  That PC is going back tomorrow.  I'll have a full write-up on my CPPC experience when everything is completed (old rig returned and new rig built).

 

And yes ... I'm going to delid ... I'll have a video posted on YouTube that documents the entire process ... as it is occurring.  I'll then stop the recording ... and start it up again when the CPU goes into the slot and it is time to tell if I blew it up or not.

 

The end result is that the comments resulted in a shifting of priorities ... I then spent the money saved on better quality components.  As for the memory, I'm only going for a 4.2 to 4.4 GHz overclock.  At this speed I should be able to take advantage of the entire DDR3 2400 speed ... time will tell.  Also, remember, this will be my GoTo PC for the next four years.  I'm hoping that during that time one of the FlightSim vendors will come out with a product that takes advantage of the capabilities of this rig.  Saving money is important ... but if $300 spent now gives me another year or so of use ... then it is money well spent.  As a comparison, my old rig (a E8400 Wolfdale @ 3.0GHz is still running strong ... 3-1/2 years later ... an excellent $1,400 investment there.)

 

Stay posted ... and keep coming with the comments ... all of them are appreciated.

 

C. T.

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CT, this is not a hijack :ph34r:  :lol:  Your thread turned out very well mate, so thanks, I though I could post my shopping list here too, I hope that is ok.

 

Thanks for the links above, very useful, I am also going to delid, dreaming about 5 Ghz, but that might be just that, a dream... I have a few bits and pieces to sort out, I am looking for some replacement fans for the case. I will run this in a one monitor setup, I have now a Dell Ultrasharp U3011 30" wich is awesome. If I am ever going multi-monitor, I'll get two additional U3011s, for me it is either one or three monitors.

 

I am going Full Monty on this little bugger, planning to have this for quite a few years. This is going to be a 100% FSX only rig with all other stuff like WX, Vatsim client, EFB, company Acars, running networked from my HP EliteBook, as I currently do.

 

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K

CPU cooler: Noctua NH-U14S

Motherboard: ASUS MAXIMUS VI EXTREME

Memory: Corsair Dominator DDR3 2400MHz 8GB 2x4GB XMS3 DHX CL9-11-11-31 Platinum

SSD Windows: OCZ REVODRIVE 3 PCI-E X4 120GB

SSD FSX: OCZ REVODRIVE 3 PCI-E X4 480GB

HDD: WD VelociRaptor 1TB 10krpm

GPU: ASUS GeForce GTX TITAN 6GB PhysX CUDA

Case: Cooler Master HAF-X Nvidia Edition

Powersupply: Corsair AX 860i 860W PSU ATX Digital 80 Plus Platinum

Optical drive: Asus BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer

OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

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And yes ... I'm going to delid ... I'll have a video posted on YouTube that documents the entire process ... as it is occurring.  I'll then stop the recording ... and start it up again when the CPU goes into the slot and it is time to tell if I blew it up or not.

 

The end result is that the comments resulted in a shifting of priorities ... I then spent the money saved on better quality components.  As for the memory, I'm only going for a 4.2 to 4.4 GHz overclock.  At this speed I should be able to take advantage of the entire DDR3 2400 speed ... time will tell.  Also, remember, this will be my GoTo PC for the next four years.  I'm hoping that during that time one of the FlightSim vendors will come out with a product that takes advantage of the capabilities of this rig.  Saving money is important ... but if $300 spent now gives me another year or so of use ... then it is money well spent.  As a comparison, my old rig (a E8400 Wolfdale @ 3.0GHz is still running strong ... 3-1/2 years later ... an excellent $1,400 investment there.)

 

Stay posted ... and keep coming with the comments ... all of them are appreciated.

 

C. T.

 

If you are only wanting 4.2 - 4.4 GHz than why are you de-lidding?  4.2 - 4.4 on a Haswell isn't much.  People have hit 4.4 on stock heatsinks, and only reaching 4.2 - 4.4 on a Haswell is considered a very bad chip (assuming it maxed out there).  Like I said, I hit 4.4 on a cheap aftermarket heatsink right out of the box and temps idle in the low 30s.  Max temps I have seen is 62C after hours of gaming - most of the times in the low to mid 50s during games.  IntelBurnTest and Prime95 obviously skyrocket the temps under stress testing and I ran those tests for a few hours.  I'm not pushing my CPU further simply because I don't want to up the Vcore anymore, as I don't want to significantly shorten the life of my CPU.  If you're worried about temps than just buy a quality aftermarket heatsink or a Corsair Hydro Series.

 

These Z87 boards and CPUs tend to be more picky about the PSU.  Make sure Corsair lists your PSU as Haswell compatible.  It isn't absolutely necessary that it be officially listed compatible, and there are ways around it (both PSU and BIOS wise), but I don't think it is something you'll want to deal with in a new build.

 

A Platinum rated PSU... wow.

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Mosteen ... glad you dropped by ... I noticed you had 8GB of the same RAM as me ... as stated previously in this thread I probably only need 8GB so I dropped the 16GB chips in favor of the 8GB ones like you have ... that saved me over $100 ... good show.  Also, when I saw what came with the Extreme ... I dropped the Hero and went with that too ... so in the end ... you end up costing me $100 ^_^ .

 

Greg and Adam:  Thanks for that info ... I think the Thermalright ARCHON XB-E x2 Heatsink for Intel LGA 1150  qualifies as a high quality after-market heatsink.  I still want to delid for two reasons ... first, I want to see if I can do it <s> ... second I want the option to increase the overclock as much as I possibly can over time.  I'll start with 4.4 and start ramping it up as I find a stable state at the current OC level.  It's just a little planning ahead.

 

Should be returning the CyberPowerPC rig today.

 

Also, and this is a BIG discovery ... check out this link ... I wish I'd have found this before doing all of this work ... Haswell 4770K + GTX 770 Gaming SuperCombo !!!

 

C. T.

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Greg and Adam:  Thanks for that info ... I think the Thermalright ARCHON XB-E x2 Heatsink for Intel LGA 1150  qualifies as a high quality after-market heatsink.  I still want to delid for two reasons ... first, I want to see if I can do it <s> ... second I want the option to increase the overclock as much as I possibly can over time.  I'll start with 4.4 and start ramping it up as I find a stable state at the current OC level.  It's just a little planning ahead.

 

C. T.

 

Sure... but you may not want to start on a $400 chip if you can't help it B)

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