At first I thought it was a bit twitchy, but the more I fly it, the more I feel it is extremely good.

 

I am not convinced about the way the nose refuses to come up on a soft field takeoff, or the way the nose stays up with almost no back pressure after touch down during landing.

 

Response to throttle during taxi is a tiny bit slow, but otherwise I am very very happy with it.

 

Pattern work feels great, flying cross country is matching an actual flight I did just a couple of days ago almost to the minute. Ground speeds, headings etc. all line up.

 

Some people have reported problems with the autopilot function, but I find that it matches the actual KAP 140 very well and they just don't know how to use it yet. i.e. changing altitude requires setting of a VS and arming the change.

 

There is hot fix for losing VC clickspots that appears to be well for everyone.

Nose starts rising on takeoff, applied more pitch down trim, nose keeps rising, speeds keeps dropping, some more trim, airplane starts bobbing.. At this level of trim I should be headed for the grouind, but no.. now going into a stall. 

The Cessna 172R nose will rises after takeoff.  You have to first stop the rise with forward elevator then trim forward.  It sounds like you let the speed get too low, got into a spin and crashed.

 

Scott.

It's definitely mandatory to visit the Maintenance Hangar and do the Pre-Flights in this aircraft prior to flight, because that's the beauty of Accu-Sim;  damage does occur and there are consequences.   I've just had metal shavings in my oil  ^_^  and the resultant flight was with a severely rough running engine  - just as it should be! 

 

It's a beautiful aircraft;  yes there have been issues, that A2A have looked at meticulously and analytical, and all of which are being addressed (despite some people - not A2A I hasten to add - aggresively trying to silence anyone raising issues, and insisting 'all is perfect' with the 172).

 

The clickspot issue was resolved, and soon I'm confident the Ground Friction on Taxi issue will also be solved; there's a good thread on the A2A forum where JimmiG and I have posted comparison videos and Scott is engaged and I am positive we'll soon see that issue nailed.

 

Things like the 'nose up' tendancy on take-off and the challenging landings, perhaps there is some room for some FDE tweaks, but equally I'm open to some of us (me included) being wrong about those ones being off, and that in fact, it's a symptom of us now having a super realistic GA trainer;   that we all need to take some training on!

 

B)

 

 

Dave the real 172 does the same thing on takeoff.

Is there any emerging consensus on the flight model of this airplane? I've read so many mixed reports now, I don't know what to think.

Most realistic 172 flight model in FSX coming from someone with 50 hours in a 172S.

 

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The Cessna 172R nose will rises after takeoff.  You have to first stop the rise with forward elevator then trim forward.  It sounds like you let the speed get too low, got into a spin and crashed.

 

Scott.

 

Nope.. didn't let it get into a spin.. Put it into a spin. :-)

 

I'm not giving up on the aircraft, just temporarily putting it in the hanger.

 

Ernie

Really?  :rolleyes:

 

Honestly.  That's a load of bull*&$!. 

 

Sir, please show consideration for other users, and don't troll yet another thread with your personal issues.   

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@Mike - thanks, the more I'm flying the 172 and adapting to the take off characteristic (what Scott referred to above, forward pressure then down trimming required straight after take-off), the more convincing I find it, and that it is handling as the real one would.

Well, I still think there may be some issues, but most of the problems I had were actually caused by;

 

1) Having edited AIRCRAFT.CFG and modified what I shouldn't have touched, because of course I should have guessed that it would negatively interfere with some aspects of the FM;

 

2) Not having taken the time to make good use of that great FSUIPC I used for many years ( I can say "many" already... ), and had even forgot how to use namely by setting my controllers callibration through it, and getting a much better response in FSX;

 

3) Probably also assuming that some things were wrong when they really aren't... After all, I never flew a C172 other than one already airborne... and I really can't recall how it felt in order to offer oppinion on how this one should...

 

I still find the need for a bit more of prop effects, but I'd rather wait for the enhnacements A2A will add to AccuSim, because all prop aircraft in FSX, just like in X-Plane, are plagued ( even if not so heavily as in X-Plane... ) by that overdone torque on roll, instead of "prop effects on yaw" and so, I can perfectly understand that A2A's team decided to tune it down. 

 

There is still some roll due to torque in this C172, and there is also yaw due to p-factor, and high AoAs! Let's wait for the future AccuSim modules and it'll probably get perfect :-)

 

I am getting in LOVE with this Cessna as much as I am with the PMDG 777, that's the truth !!!!

<@Molleh>

Sir, please show consideration for other users, and don't troll yet another thread with your personal issues.   

 

 

Molleh is one of the nicest and most helpful people on Avsim, especially in regards to A2A planes. To suggest that she is "trolling yet another thread" just because there was a little verbal head-butting the other day, is a low blow, Dave. If you want to talk about consideration, please stop embedding the not-so-subtle little digs in every other post of yours, either on Avsim or other websites, don't address people like Molleh as "sir" even though you know darn well she's a woman, and start playing nice yourself.  If you make statements like that, people are naturally going to respond.  That said, I'd very much like to get down to the business of talking about airplanes...

 

@JComm:  Do you have any insight into how to calibrate or sensitize the flight surface axises on your controllers for most authentic effect?   It's been repeatedly mentioned that the plain old default controller sensitivities are not going to suffice, but I'm hesitant to just "wing it" according to personal tastes.  I want to feel the plane as A2A designed it, not as I interpret it, but I haven't seen any guidance on this.

Ok, consider this people;    Take a look across the forum over the last week or so and you will see this;-

 

• My making some candid views about some issues with the A2A C172; in some cases I lacked diplomacy and was challenged.... appropriately.

• I also worked with some guys on the A2A site (including devs) to test and address some of the issues.

• A trend started whereby almost every post I made regarding the A2A C172 - regardless of content - attracted a double act of quite personal, sarcastic comments from Molleh and KingGhidorah.   

• I have walked away - cleanly - from at least 2 threads where this double act are 'doing their thing' and I responded to a post above from "Molleh" which contained '&%*%' language, yet somehow was stating they had not been 'aggressive'  (irony huh?).

• The 'sir' was a slip.    Because I am getting these sarcastic, very similar responses from Molleh and KingGhidorah in so many threads, I forget which was the 'male' and which the 'female'.          

• I have discluded MOLLEH from sending me PMs at AVSIM, and she has chosen to misuse the A2A web site instead, to continue a tirade of bullying by sending PMs there now (duly reported to A2A Admin).

• I have urged Molleh that we strike a 'truce' on two occasions now;  that we just do not respond to eachothers posts..... can I say fairer than that? ...... but she cannot let go her grip of hate..... that is the honest truth.

People can thus make there own mind on what is going on here....  

 

I've just sent a PM to Spiritflyer asking for him to intervene, as this has gone too far now.   As I said I have attempted to agree a truce with Molleh but regardless how 'nice' she is, she seems not to want to let go of our personal issue.   I have not proposed who is to blame or is right or wrong, I've just asked if he can help in closing this off, once and for all.     

 

As I said I have walked away from thread after thread because of getting sarcastic, nasty, personal remarks from both of you.        

 

Thanks,

Dave.

Look, Q400, can you just please stop this nonsense?  You've made embedded here and digs on other forums, such as about the  "Avsim Trolls" out to "verbally slay" you and other melodramas that people can judge for themselves.  C'mon man, everybody is passionate about flight sim, and nobody is out to getcha.  The only one perpetuating some manufactured  "war" between fellow flight simmers is you, via these little jabs you keep making, as in the example from above.  Certainly in this particular thread, nobody said anything negative to you or about you prior;  everyone was just happily discussing the airplane.  So please ask yourself who is the one being sarcastic.  We all just want to talk about the Cessna and other flight sim planes.  Is it possible to get back to that?

Look, Q400, can you just please stop this nonsense?  You've made digs on other forums, such as about the  "Avsim Trolls" out to "verbally slay" you and other melodramas that people can judge for themselves.  C'mon man, everybody is passionate about flight sim, and nobody is out to getcha.  We all just want to talk about the Cessna and other flight sim planes.  Is it possible to get back to that?

 

So now because I have given the facts and have demonstrated that all I want is to stop this petty 'two against one' conflict, you post to infer that all you want is to  ............"talk about the planes".

 

And you mis-quote to mislead people that I called all members of AVSIM, "trolls".... I have only ever referred to one member as a troll, and that is because that was exactly what you were doing at the time;  trolling every comment I made.         

 

Seriously grow up - if you must win the "last word game" fine - post again.    I'm out. 

 

I have reported this to the AVSIM Staff, and they can deal with it as they see fit.

First of all, all of this should definitely be deleted since it's personal nonsense and mods shouldn't have to waste time moderating it and viewers shouldn't have to wade through it.

 

That being said, you blocked my PMs here, so how am I supposed to contact you to settle anything? The whole point of PMs is to discuss things that have no place on the public forums. You blocked me from doing that (before I even PMed you once) and as far as I can tell, there are no e-mail addresses listed so I couldn't do that either. You're right that I shouldn't have used the A2A forums though, but you contacted their admins before giving me a chance to respond to your PM reply to settle it once and for all.

Great news for the wider AVSIM community;

 

I have PM'd Stephen and asked that he close my account.      

 

This is not a 'please beg me to stay, pleeeeeease!!!!' post............

 

..............but call me shallow;  I did not want people being misled to believe I'd been banned.

 

No hard feelings to anyone.     Truth is I really cannot do conflict.....   genuinely, this stuff, petty as it is, has kept me awake at night.   Conflcit is conflict.        ......and yes, I batted back as hard as I could.... :wink:

 

I will walk, and I hope that this nonsense can be ended   - the rest of AVSIM, us three aside, don't deserve to spend their free time having to read posts like the last few.

 

Blue skies ladies & gents.

Nobody is try to force you out or humiliate you.  The question is, are you trying to get us banned or suspended by being melodramatic and playing the victim?  I am a PMDG customer, a Milviz customer, an MCE customer, an A2A customer, an F1 customer, and Active Sky cusomter, you name it, some of which only have a support apparatus here on Avsim.  It would be a darn shame if you were attempting to deprive us of that access, and quite a low blow, indeed.  

Nobody is try to force you out or humiliate you.  The question is, are you trying to get us banned or suspended by being melodramatic and playing the victim?  I am a PMDG customer, a Milviz customer, an MCE customer, an A2A customer, an F1 customer, and Active Sky cusomter, you name it, some of which only have a support apparatus here on Avsim.  It would be a darn shame if you were attempting to deprive us of that access, and quite a low blow, indeed.

 

 

:smile:  ...... wow, some people....... and still he goes on.

 

I'm pretty sure you won't be banned King Ghidorah.   So relax, and have fun.  :wink: