The torque roll "bug" in the Saab is non-existent.

Took care of it about a year ago.

I figured, that you would do so...

I sure hope you are correct about this-a lack of a current rw simulated gps is kinda a deal breaker for me for the sim.

There's always the KLN90B that's offered on the EADT site .. it's pretty much fully featured (albeit older) and will run 64bit mode with the appropriate SASL 64bit plugin. Unfortunately it's a bit involved to install ... in fact I find it to be a royal P.I.T.A!

 

I've managed to install it on the JS32 .. it used to install easily on the AN-24 but I can't for the life of me get it to display on that aircraft.

 

Regarding the future .. I'm going by this post  .. @ XA.

Unfortunately the 90b is terribly terribly ancient-never came across one even in rental airplanes 12 years ago. The kln94 that I flew with for 7 years also/was/is ancient though it did the trick. The 430/530s while found widely found and flew a lot with are now also now ancient. For current pilots that want rw training purposes in a sim something current and rw is needed....that is if we are going past game to useful for rw simulator.

I still don't know how the "FlyThisSim" products qualify in modelling GPS units, including the Garmin and the Avydine Entegra (?)

 

I believe I already posted once, asking for oppinions, but somehow got the idea that it is not the most used product, probably because of being expensive, but I still consider that, should the next versions of X-Plane 10 show a positive sign of some problems being addressed, I might consider investing in such a product.

 

I really think that, while flying using navaids can be interesting and sometimes even challenging, the truth is that I can do that using ELITE better than in any other simulator I know, because it has huge 2d instrument panels, with crisp and very precise instruments, and the outside views are good enough, but not too good to distract me from concentrating in flying in IMC :-)

 

But the evidence shows that the future is GPS-based navigation, and while I understand that the syllabus at most flying schools still includes ** only ** IFR using the standard instruments, learning how to use a GPS like even a simple hand-held Garmin should make part of it. And as Larry has pointed out, in some cases they are actually the diferrence between flying safely or risking CFIT, like when flying in mountainous areas.

 

When RW pilots get one they are sometimes so overwhelmed by it's used, and learning on-the-fly how to use it, that I know of a few accidents, with glider pilots, resulting from too much time spent looking inside and trying to figure out how to do this or that....

 

Some 30 yrs ago I saw the first images of what are today's fully computerized navigation displays. It was on an article on the future of aviation in National Geographic. I still remember those images, and the impact they had on me. By that time I had built a mockup ( in cardboard ) of a b737-200 instrument panel in my sleeping room :-), and compared to it, those panels looked so much like Science Fiction :-)

 

In the first versions of MSFS I was glad to find that visual flight path mode that allowed me to follow the windows carefully marking the ILS glide and course paths. This was the closest to those fancy images I had seen on that NG... and I dreamed of one day seeing it on a commercial aircraft.

 

Walking accross the parking ramp of any aerodrome I've been at, it is nowadays difficult not to find from the simplest hand-held devices to the most sophisticated ones, sometimes even equipping ultralight aircraft, and at least a glider!!!

 

Well, whoever is in the business for flight simulation should really consider spending some time with these ;-)

 

Regarding the Saab, I am so convinced that simply operating the detailled systes and flying it will be so rewarding that the last minute RNAV-capable creation by Goran, even if not accurate in terms of an existing RW device, can at least resemble ( with that deviaion bar ) a HUD-type CDI representation found on some conventional and GPS systems :-)

I think the FlythisSim range of products are flawed in that you must purchase for an aircraft type .. so you can't use a GS430 except for specific aircraft groups because they actually integrate the unit into a 2D panel themselves. This is both expensive and impractical imo :(

The FlyThisSim products are mainly if you want to build a simulator for real training purposes (it is recommend to run their panels on separate displays). That's why they are both complete simulations of the particular systems, and so expensive. They are certainly not for the average home user. A general caveat is that the navigation databases are just for the USA, and they do not intend to change this.

 

 

To the KLN90B: This is ancient, sure, but is the BEST GPS you currently can get for X-Plane 64 bit (IF you update it's "xap" in the plugin folder with a recent "SASL"). It is as complete as it can be, and by the way, there are many parts of the world where it is still in use.

 

If you can read the very good manual, installation is not difficult at all, and updating the navigation database with NaviGraph data is also very easy. It would be a mistake if you want realistic systems, but ignore the KLN90B.

I can install the KLN90 into all my planes EXCEPT the AN24 from Felis .. neither his instructions nor the instructions in K90 manual (they're different) work ... I would love to be instructed otherwise!

STop the press .. from Goran I just saw this ... The vapor is condensed and the first drop is about to fall! Woooot!

 

 

I can install the KLN90 into all my planes EXCEPT the AN24 from Felis .. neither his instructions nor the instructions in K90 manual (they're different) work ... I would love to be instructed otherwise!

 

If I were able to use his An-24 at all, I could help :(

 

For me, the plane simply does not start from cold and dark, though. :( Probably I just don't understand his manual correctly.

The FlyThisSim products are mainly if you want to build a simulator for real training purposes (it is recommend to run their panels on separate displays). That's why they are both complete simulations of the particular systems, and so expensive. They are certainly not for the average home user. A general caveat is that the navigation databases are just for the USA, and they do not intend to change this.

 

 

To the KLN90B: This is ancient, sure, but is the BEST GPS you currently can get for X-Plane 64 bit (IF you update it's "xap" in the plugin folder with a recent "SASL"). It is as complete as it can be, and by the way, there are many parts of the world where it is still in use.

 

If you can read the very good manual, installation is not difficult at all, and updating the navigation database with NaviGraph data is also very easy. It would be a mistake if you want realistic systems, but ignore the KLN90B.

Personally I am not interested in just "realistic systems" but realistic simulation of the planes and their systems I fly presently.

 

The kln 90b would be equiv to a simulation of the foster loran I used in the 1990's-somewhat interesting but not useful for current training. I never even saw a 90b..Wasn't the year 1997 or so-my foster was still alive then too..So was my pentium 1 computer.

 

Although I flew 8 years ifr with a kln 94 I also flew extensively right seat with many that used the garmin 430. I always knew more about its operation than the pilots i flew with thanks to the great reality xp version of it. This was most useful on several occasions when the left seat pilot accidentally pushed something that made everything go haywire-usually right in the middle of a difficult approach. Get past pushing direct to and most pilots had no idea-it is terribly hard to learn a complex device like this while flying and if one is a weekend flyer-real hard to retain.

 

I was aways frustrated though that no sim version of the kln94 ever made it to the sim world due to a lawsuit-because I was less proficient in operating it than a Garmin 430 which I didn't own due to lack of sim software that coud be practiced at home.

There was at the time a sim version of the 90b but not really useful.

 

I did use the xplane software for the diamond star g1000 and that was useful- though I did not have multi monitors and thus preferred the several fairly accurate g1000 simulations on FSX.

 

Jcomm-when I got into a Baron in the early 2000's I never flew anything but gps from that point on (and 99% of the time direct). When burning 28 gallons/hr.-direct saves a lot-but atc also pretty much expects it in the US when you file /g Though I would twiddle vor dials for fun ( and the adf was inop)-never ever used them- ever.....

 

I've always used a flight sim ( and I owned pretty much all of them) to practice whatever I was needing practice with rw.

 

After 25 years the only thing that brought me fear was going into the busy, often rude, auctioneer New York NE. Airspace and twiddling a gps.

 

Once I remember going into Conneticut where just after passing Allentown, PA every 30 seconds I would get a call-new clearance -advise ready to copy. Luckily I had a co pilot because after copying te clearance it took about 2.5 minutes to get it in the box-after which atc would state-new amended clearance-ready to copy-and the whole process started again(with controllers yelling at someone else that they didn't have it right). The most amazing one for me was after getting a full route clearance in Nashua, NH which took about 4 minutes to enter while those twin engines are eating greedily, after airborne the controller called me and said amended clearance-but it is so long I don't have time to give it to you-stand by.....he never had time so just kept sending me to a waypoint till I got to Allentown, PA and got the magic proceed direct. Twiddling that gps has to be instinctive.

 

So in any case-most important thing for me on a sim is maintaining control of a simulated complex aircraft I fly while working a rw gps-recently a garmin 430 or g1000. It is usually much harder on the computer-thus if you can do it here-rw is a cinch.

 

I am sure many pilots/ flight schools are looking for the same in a sim.

New timeline for the Saab to be completed...

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Enjoy folks!

You mean.......actually, what do you mean?

Put it this way.

I'm planning my vacation today.

Deserved I'm sure:)

 

Will keep refreshing the X-Aviation page...

Ah, there she is!

 

http://www.x-aviation.com/catalog/take-command-saab-340a-p-100.html