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FSL Airbus A320-X long time...

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Hi everybody!

 

I am pretty sure that most of you guys are waiting for the A320 by FSL (at least the airbus guys here ;) ).

 

Unfortunately, I am a little bit worried that this project *could* end like AirSimmer, AirlinerXP or Level D's 757.. I don't want to raise FSL's skills to question but I ask myself why they don't show some more pictures (...) and videos of their A320. Or at least a little cockpit picture (I am sure that won't reveal any "top-secret-features" which competitors could use for their own benefits..) Of course, I do understand that Mr. Lefteris (CEO of FSL) did a huge mistake by estimating a release (namely, december 2012) at the FS conference in march 2012. 

 

However, I think that FSL have to realize that they are constantly loosing (future) customers by not telling or showing anything than something like "--the a320 is very complex---". Until now, all promises that this A320 will be a high-quality product (like NGX... i.e.) are warm words. How do I know that the long waiting period won't be in vain? 

 

 

So, I would like to ask (in such a big internet portal) what you guys think of FSL and this project and I am looking forward to hear your opinions.

 

Have a nice day!

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if they are coding the systems then there would be nothing to see as that could be more time consuming than making the vc or external model, best thing to do is let them get on with it and not to worry.

 

Im sure when they are ready they will provide some updates about the progress they are making.

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FSL developers and beta-testers have been pretty active on this forum recently, confirming ongoing development.

 

So what are you worrying about?

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Maurice, why are you starting this discussion here, and not on the FSL forum? In fact, this very same discussion has been held there several times and is ongoing. You are likely to find more Airbus-minded people there who have a more informed opinion about the question you raised.

 

FSL is a commercial enterprise and since they are investing in the production of their software, it is up to them to decide whether and when to release alfa images and info. It is then up to you as a consumer to decide whether you want to wait for them to release their product, or to buy software from their opposition. However, I understand them by not releasing material that could be copied into existing models by Aerosoft and BBS.

 

They made a mistake by setting Q4-2012 as a release date. They are correct now by not making any new statement on when the 320 is moving into beta, or a final release date. It is common communication practice that you don't communuicate about a project until it's signed - confirmed - delivered. This may be frustrating to consumers, but in the end they are putting time and money in the project, not you. So FSL is absolutely correct in stopping all forum threads about a release date, because it doesn't serve any purpose.

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Hi everybody!

 

I am pretty sure that most of you guys are waiting for the A320 by FSL (at least the airbus guys here ;) ).

 

Unfortunately, I am a little bit worried that this project *could* end like AirSimmer, AirlinerXP or Level D's 757.. I don't want to raise FSL's skills to question but I ask myself why they don't show some more pictures (...) and videos of their A320. Or at least a little cockpit picture (I am sure that won't reveal any "top-secret-features" which competitors could use for their own benefits..) Of course, I do understand that Mr. Lefteris (CEO of FSL) did a huge mistake by estimating a release (namely, december 2012) at the FS conference in march 2012.

 

However, I think that FSL have to realize that they are constantly loosing (future) customers by not telling or showing anything than something like "--the a320 is very complex---". Until now, all promises that this A320 will be a high-quality product (like NGX... i.e.) are warm words. How do I know that the long waiting period won't be in vain?

 

 

So, I would like to ask (in such a big internet portal) what you guys think of FSL and this project and I am looking forward to hear your opinions.

 

Have a nice day!

Hi Maurice,

 

Things are quite simple actually.

 

FSL (or Level-L) don't owe you anything. You have absolutely NO means to know if a picture/video will show a feature or not... And they will continue to manage their business and develop their A320 the way they want to.

 

Until now, you paid zero bucks for it (unlike Airsimmer) so AGAIN, they owe you ZIP.

You also have no means to know if they're losing customers or not... And in any case they made it pretty clear on their forum : if you don't want to buy when it's out then don't. Others will for sure...

 

Simple.

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Hmmm, I wonder if this is the same Maurice that used to spam my inbox and pretend to be an A320 first officer?

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Hmmm, I wonder if this is the same Maurice that used to spam my inbox and pretend to be an A320 first officer?

 

You can believe everything on the internet, trust me, I'm a Ph.D at Oxford doing a study with Oprah and Prophet Mohamed about the effect the internet had on Abraham Lincoln. 

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You can believe everything on the internet, trust me, I'm a Ph.D at Oxford doing a study with Oprah and Prophet Mohamed about the effect the internet had on Abraham Lincoln. 

That's one of the best posts so far this year ;)

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Maurice, why are you starting this discussion here, and not on the FSL forum? In fact, this very same discussion has been held there several times and is ongoing. You are likely to find more Airbus-minded people there who have a more informed opinion about the question you raised.

 

FSL is a commercial enterprise and since they are investing in the production of their software, it is up to them to decide whether and when to release alfa images and info. It is then up to you as a consumer to decide whether you want to wait for them to release their product, or to buy software from their opposition. However, I understand them by not releasing material that could be copied into existing models by Aerosoft and BBS.

 

They made a mistake by setting Q4-2012 as a release date. They are correct now by not making any new statement on when the 320 is moving into beta, or a final release date. It is common communication practice that you don't communuicate about a project until it's signed - confirmed - delivered. This may be frustrating to consumers, but in the end they are putting time and money in the project, not you. So FSL is absolutely correct in stopping all forum threads about a release date, because it doesn't serve any purpose.

 

 

Hi Maurice, Things are quite simple actually. FSL (or Level-L) don't owe you anything. You have absolutely NO means to know if a picture/video will show a feature or not... And they will continue to manage their business and develop their A320 the way they want to. Until now, you paid zero bucks for it (unlike Airsimmer) so AGAIN, they owe you ZIP. You also have no means to know if they're losing customers or not... And in any case they made it pretty clear on their forum : if you don't want to buy when it's out then don't. Others will for sure... Simple.

 

 

Hmmm, I wonder if this is the same Maurice that used to spam my inbox and pretend to be an A320 first officer?

 

Sometimes I'm just left speechless. Why is it necessary to be so unkind? The guy only asked a question for goodness sake! He has been a member of this forum for just four and a bit months and yet you all bit his head off. For God's sake show some humanity the World is already bad enough without your help.

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Sometimes I'm just left speechless. Why is it necessary to be so unkind? The guy only asked a question for goodness sake! He has been a member of this forum for just four and a bit months and yet you all bit his head off. For God's sake show some humanity the World is already bad enough without your help.

 

This very topic has been and is being widely discussed on the FSL forum, and he has actively participated there. What's the purpose then of porting this discussion to Avsim? And what is unkind about asking that question?

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As I understand it the FSX version of the FSL A320 is a spin-off from a professional A320 training sim they are developing.

 

As such the flight sim enthusiast isn't their main market, so I don't think they are terribly concerned about flight simmers complaining about how long it's taking to develop.

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Is it that time of the month Sierra hotel? A bit sensitive aren't you..

Ah ah ah!

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However, I think that FSL have to realize that they are constantly loosing (future) customers by not telling or showing anything than something like "--the a320 is very complex---".

 

I don't see this. How is it that they are losing customers over this? The same was said about the PMDG 777 and PFPX... still download servers failed when those products were released. And I suspect that almost everyone that was complaning about the release dates and them losing customers still bought the product when it was released.

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I don't see this. How is it that they are losing customers over this? The same was said about the PMDG 777 and PFPX... still download servers failed when those products were released. And I suspect that almost everyone that was complaning about the release dates and them losing customers still bought the product when it was released.

 

I agree, if your product is superior enough to competition you aren't really going to lose many customers even if the development takes way longer than expected, at least as long as it doesn't take a decade (like with Level D 757 if it ever gets released). 

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Hmmm, I wonder if this is the same Maurice that used to spam my inbox and pretend to be an A320 first officer?

 

We've had quite a few of those. It's amazing how many people try and pull a fast one on us and the lengths they will go to.

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We've had quite a few of those. It's amazing how many people try and pull a fast one on us and the lengths they will go to.

Yep, I have had people go far enough as forge Type rating certificates just to try and get into a beta team! The mind boggles :)

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I own the FSL CONCORDEX and It's the best payware I have ever seen or flown in a Sim.  The A320 will be awesome at release in Summer/2019 :lol:

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I am also new to all this, and I am surprised by the reaction of some of the posters above. Using my logic I would say that the OP is eagerly waiting for the proud and in his heart, he feels it has taken longer than he wished. I guess that is all he is expressing and he is afraid that this project may not materialize. That's what I see from the post and there is no need to look at him as a stranger. I guess we all have our own questions and opinions.

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Yep, I have had people go far enough as forge Type rating certificates just to try and get into a beta team! The mind boggles :)

 

 

I got my type ratings (15 of them!) in a car boot sale ("Buy 12, get another 3 for free").

 

Are you guys implying one of them might possibly be forged, as well?!?   :blink:  :rolleyes:  :lol:

I am also new to all this, and I am surprised by the reaction of some of the posters above. Using my logic I would say that the OP is eagerly waiting for the proud and in his heart, he feels it has taken longer than he wished. I guess that is all he is expressing and he is afraid that this project may not materialize. That's what I see from the post and there is no need to look at him as a stranger. I guess we all have our own questions and opinions.

 

 

(...) However, I think that FSL have to realize that they are constantly loosing (future) customers by not telling or showing anything than something like "--the a320 is very complex---". (...) How do I know that the long waiting period won't be in vain? (...) So, I would like to ask (in such a big internet portal) (...)

 

 

Plus, before he posted that, he had had his share of posts on the official FSL forum.

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Yep, I have had people go far enough as forge Type rating certificates just to try and get into a beta team! 

 

Yeh we had one of those, current on the B777 and A320 - what a coincidence...

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However, I think that FSL have to realize that they are constantly loosing (future) customers by not telling or showing anything than something like "--the a320 is very complex---". Until now, all promises that this A320 will be a high-quality product (like NGX... i.e.) are warm words. How do I know that the long waiting period won't be in vain? 

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Exactly why would they lose customers? It's not like waiting requires any effort at all from our part. Besides, even if it did, if FSL releases the most advanced bus for FSX then people will buy it in the thousands. The only thing that really matters is the quality of the product.

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I remember something RSR said during the last months of the T7 development. He said that of all the people who come on to the forums and shout "You're losing my purchase by not showing anything!" most all of them buy it the second it comes out. I suspect the same will be true here.

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I got my type ratings (15 of them!) in a car boot sale ("Buy 12, get another 3 for free").



Are you guys implying one of them might possibly be forged, as well?!?
:LMAO:

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