Your right, I said this knowing P3D is not even in the running. That being said I wounder could I run P3D with just a video card update?  Wishful thinking I know...

I'll get back to you, I currently run a system very similar to yours, except an AMD dual core CPU (disgusting) and GeForce 210. I have a spare HD5770 (DX11) lying around but I need to get more cooling for it, the case is not designed for it (the GeForce 210 was actually an upgrade a few years ago along with a new PSU). It runs FSX "meh" (as expected) with many tweaks and compensating on various display options, but never good enough to replace FS9. I've kept FSX on it solely for development.

 

Got the PC for free so I can't complain :lol:  Runs FS9 like a dream.

 

 

My relationship with FSX was always love/hate.  I'm glad that I'll soon be moving on, because it was indeed a very frustrating simulation to tweak and maintain in peak form.

 

What the FS9 holdouts never seemed to acknowledge though is that while FSX was high maintenance and I think we all at one time felt defeated by it, once you got it properly tuned on capable hardware, it was simply capable of much more than FS9 was.  It allowed realism at a higher level in a more immersive environment due to better sound, better visuals, and many other things.  It took a while for the hardware to catch up, this is true, but many people started to sufficiently defeat the FSX beast years ago.

 

Meanwhile the FS9 people were always insisting that their FS "9.5" was just as good as anything the FSX people were doing.  But the FSX people were now into the realm of things like Acusim and the NGX and all of the other things which were taking advantage of capabilities that FS9 just didn't have and they were doing it at 30+ fps with acceptable reliability.  Though FSX never stopped annoying you completely, many of us permanently shelved FS9 because our experience with FSX when it was running well were simply preferable to what FS9 could do.

 

I don't disagree with the sentiment that FSX is doggy and frustrating, and in many ways I can actually say I hate it, but much of that frustration comes from it being loaded up with stuff that doesn't even exist for FS9, and pushes the boundary far beyond the older sim.

Wow. People are still sore about FSX vs. FS9? The only reason I can imagine is that they feel developers have abandoned them and they don't have the same options as FSX users. Other than that, if you're happy with FS9, great. If others found FSX demanding and frustrating, it has absolutely nothing to do with FS9. Why would anyone feel they need to criticize a product they don't have, and don't use, when they're happy with something else? Isn't this kind of the point of the OP?

My relationship with FSX was always love/hate.  I'm glad that I'll soon be moving on, because it was indeed a very frustrating simulation to tweak and maintain in peak form.

 

What the FS9 holdouts never seemed to acknowledge though is that while FSX was high maintenance and I think we all at one time felt defeated by it, once you got it properly tuned on capable hardware, it was simply capable of much more than FS9 was.  It allowed realism at a higher level in a more immersive environment due to better sound, better visuals, and many other things.  It took a while for the hardware to catch up, this is true, but many people started to sufficiently defeat the FSX beast years ago.

 

Meanwhile the FS9 people were always insisting that their FS "9.5" was just as good as anything the FSX people were doing.  But the FSX people were now into the realm of things like Acusim and the NGX and all of the other things which were taking advantage of capabilities that FS9 just didn't have and they were doing it at 30+ fps with acceptable reliability.  Though FSX never stopped annoying you completely, many of us permanently shelved FS9 because our experience with FSX when it was running well were simply preferable to what FS9 could do.

 

I don't disagree with the sentiment that FSX is doggy and frustrating, and in many ways I can actually say I hate it, but much of that frustration comes from it being loaded up with stuff that doesn't even exist for FS9, and pushes the boundary far beyond the older sim.

 

 

My system is only 3 or 4 years old the era when FSX was supposedly running decently on hardware of that time (5 years after FSX's release).  This system can not run FSX, period.  I'll take the plunge with P3D v2 once I hear back from Kyle above.  

I still use Flight as well.  It's a shame once I upgrade my machine I can no longer get all my add-ons back... 

 

I thought the same, as I just built a new system. Then someone mentioned installing the GFWL program and it recognized me and listed all the files still there waiting for a new download. Only thing I haven't figured out is how to get a plane bought through Steam into Flight, but I'm not going to worry about that.

Wow. People are still sore about FSX vs. FS9? The only reason I can imagine is that they feel developers have abandoned them and they don't have the same options as FSX users. Other than that, if you're happy with FS9, great. If others found FSX demanding and frustrating, it has absolutely nothing to do with FS9. Why would anyone feel they need to criticize a product they don't have, and don't use, when they're happy with something else? Isn't this kind of the point of the OP?

 

 

Your reading this wrong.  All this is a response to the original poster.  With P3D v2 on the market it's a new day indeed.  FSX and all issues with it is history to be buried with the dinosaurs.

I thought the same, as I just built a new system. Then someone mentioned installing the GFWL program and it recognized me and listed all the files still there waiting for a new download. Only thing I haven't figured out is how to get a plane bought through Steam into Flight, but I'm not going to worry about that.

 

Tell me how that works out...

Hi all,

 

Thankyou Tim_Capps, that was exactly my point in the original post. It doesn't matter which sim your flying, the reason your flying it, is because you personally think it's the best one, for you. It doesn't matter if it's fs9 because you like the freeware stuff as someone mentioned above, fsx because there are a ton of addons, P3D because you think it has more future then fsx and works better or xplane because the aerodynamics are said to be the best there is.

 

Some will want to use whichever sim is the latest, just because it is the latest must have out there. Some will be using older sims because they work best for them and they are happy with them. It really doesn't matter which we use so long as were happy with what we have.

 

I think reading the posts after my OP I was trying to ask why people have to try and justify their sim as being the best, it really doesn't matter which one we fly so long as we enjoy the experience of flying..............Isn't that what our hobby is all about, enjoying the flying and not bashing our fellow simmers.

 

All I was asking for is some respect to others, it's sadly lacking in the world today unfortunately. If there is an opinion to be aired, please do, I'm not suggesting we stop commenting but also put the reasons why you think that way. "I don't like X because A,B,C isn't right" instead we get "I don't like X because it's rubbish!" mmmmm I don't think it's much to ask for us all to switch on the brain before making comments, is it!

 

Anyway, if there are any more comments, please do, they make interesting reading. Thank you all for commenting.

lol so FSX is to be consigned to the dustbin of history by Prepar3D... yep, I can already see all my FSX payware starting to fade away, kind of like Marty's photo in Back to the Future. Any day now it will be all gone. Nothing could be more of a non-issue for me than another sim right now. Maybe it's the advantage of being in my 50s -- I don't have to plan more than a couple of decades into the future. If and when something else makes changing sims a no-brainer, then I'll do it. In the mean time, I have more airplanes and approaches than I could master in the next ten years without buying another add-on or another piece of hardware. I'll be the FSX Bubble Boy. I don't need to defend it or justify it, any more than someone needs to defend FS9, or justify Prepar3D. Any time the community divides itself into camps, it brings the social aspect of the hobby down.

Outside of you some have been really condescending to others. It's the same rivalry likened to the nerds and the jocks. It happens throughout our society and as of late we have a 'No Bullying' movement. Believe me it's not personal on my end just a frustration of a cumbersome product being put on the market, worse that we ever seen it. Now it's running for many people have short memories about the teething problems FSX had for years. Here's my specs, I can run every sim solution out there the exception being FSX (my machine was built 5 years after FSX's release) and of course the new P3D:

 

Dell Duo Core 2.66 1333FSB - Windows 7 Pro 64Bit 4Gigs Ram

NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250 w/1gig Memory

 

I've always found FSX very easy to run.  The only tweaks I've done is run the cfg through the bojote automatic tweaker and add BP=0 and it runs with zero issues on my low end PC.  I'm not sure why a lot of people are having problems with it, but with the FS9 vs FSX aside, I hope P3D works out for you and Kyle.

 

It's probably a good idea for you to upgrade to a new PC instead of just swapping out the graphics card.  You can find good complete overclocked i7's (2500K, 2600K, and a few after those) at custom PC shops for $700-$1000.  Let's say, you find one for $800.  Tell them you want to change the GPU and pay the difference.  So you should be able to have a pretty good system for about $1000 or a little over.  And it should also run FSX very nicely as well.

 

The reason I think it's a good idea to get a new PC is because you're interested in PMDG.  I'm pretty sure these very complex add ons are going to use up a lot of processor power.  So even if your GPU is top end which is great for handling the graphical data of P3D, the processor is going to get a lot of use simulating the systems in PMDG airplanes.  Most of the feedback we're seeing on high end PC's are using less demanding planes like Carenado and defaults, and they're in the 25-30fps range.  We're not going to see feedback on PMDG because we're not allowed to use the FSX version in P3D.  But I think their system simulation will eat up a lot of processor power.

 

Since you're coming directly from FS9, I think you will be floored with the NGX once PMDG ports it over to P3D.  It truly is a masterpiece.  The amount of detail in the VC is unreal.  I can't comment on the T7 because I'm still waiting for the boxed release.

 

I'm looking forward to hear how everything works out for you and waiting on Kyle as well.

Well, I've narrowed my problem down to needing a new power supply (mine has the wattage [barely] but is probably of poor quality) to run my DX11 spare card, so rather than do that, I'll put the funds toward a new PC when I'm done paying for my wedding next year. Sorry I won't be able to test how it works! I'd rather not dump another ~$75 into the current tower. 

Personally, I think 'what's happening with the simmers' has to do with the fact that nothing seems to be 'good enough' for people. P3D v2.0 hasn't been out more than a week, and already some people are up in arms because certain add ons won't work without 'turning the sliders down' (which also seems to be a blasphemous term in itself), accusations of not enough Beta testing being done, Members arguing with each other about how to test P3D with add ons, etc. Some are even asking when the next update is going to be out...

 

Look... at least someone out there is trying to come up with a platform that will satisfy the FS Community, at least partly. I don't see any of the 'big' FS developers coming up with a good idea of an FS platform in the future, so it's P3D or X-Plane as the "new" Flight Sims for right now.

 

Stop with the hair pulling, sleepless nights and tweaking the CPU and GPU... go out, find a favorite airplane, and GO FLY! Use whatever you have, whether it's FS 2002, FS 9, FSX or X-Plane!

 

HAVE FUN!

 

Personally, I think 'what's happening with the simmers' has to do with the fact that nothing seems to be 'good enough' for people. P3D v2.0 hasn't been out more than a week, and already some people are up in arms because certain add ons won't work without 'turning the sliders down' (which also seems to be a blasphemous term in itself), accusations of not enough Beta testing being done, Members arguing with each other about how to test P3D with add ons, etc. Some are even asking when the next update is going to be out...

 

Look... at least someone out there is trying to come up with a platform that will satisfy the FS Community, at least partly. I don't see any of the 'big' FS developers coming up with a good idea of an FS platform in the future, so it's P3D or X-Plane as the "new" Flight Sims for right now.

 

Stop with the hair pulling, sleepless nights and tweaking the CPU and GPU... go out, find a favorite airplane, and GO FLY! Use whatever you have, whether it's FS 2002, FS 9, FSX or X-Plane!

 

HAVE FUN!

 

 

So there is something wrong or malcontented with the simmers who are not completely satisfied with what they see or are reading about?  And to wonder or look forward to the next update to hopefully resolve some of the issues that people are encountering is a bad thing?  While it has already been pointed out that tweaking and tuning is always a necessary part of running a high performance simulation, believe me, not everybody feels like monitoring things like VAS usage and conducting a bunch of experiments; And to find that this is apparently just as necessary as it was for FSX is a bit dissapointing for some, understandably so.   Hopefully this won't be the case for much longer, but I think it is perfectly valid to ask, so many years into the franchise (not one week), why isn't this better now?, and hence comparisons to a beta, and all the other things that people don't want to hear.

 

I would contend that your post above is exactly the kind of thing that is helping to drive some of the tension around here.  You are satisfied, so everybody else better darned well be too, or there is something wrong with them.

Well, I've narrowed my problem down to needing a new power supply (mine has the wattage [barely] but is probably of poor quality) to run my DX11 spare card, so rather than do that, I'll put the funds toward a new PC when I'm done paying for my wedding next year. Sorry I won't be able to test how it works! I'd rather not dump another ~$75 into the current tower. 

 

 

First off congrats on the wedding and thanks for trying concerning testing.  I'm going to upgrade my CPU to 3.33ghz.  I'm also going to invest in a video card with around 2-3gigs of on board vram..

 

 

You know the worst thing with any flight sim is not the aircraft, platform, computer, addons or anything like that.....................It's the pilots!

 

Your post is most likely just going to stir the pot and may eventually get locked.

 

Either way, don't get sucked in and try to remain positive regardless of what simming you do or what simmers say to you or each other.  I only have time for FSX, P3Dv2, and XP10 and most of my time lately has been with P3Dv2.  That does NOT mean any other Flight Sim platform is bad, it's only a reflection of my available time investment.  I'd love to sit around all day and night with ALL the various Flight Simulators out on the market, but I have this thing called a full time job, so I have to pick and choose my time.

 

Much of the negativity you find can be boiled down to:

 

1.  I purchased XYZ and it didn't meet my expectations therefore it's "[fill in the bad descriptor of choice]"

2.  Single platform simmers that want more developers working on "their" platform of choice so they proceed to hate on anything else

3.  Everything is too expensive

4.  XYZ says it's "[fill in the bad descriptor of choice]" so therefore it must be "[fill in bad descriptor of choice]" - often said without even using the product/platform in question

5.  Some people are just grumpy and have no other state

6.  Some go to extreme negative comments in the hope developers will give them immediate attention

7.  I've invested $$$ into Platform XYZ and it got updated to MNO and all my investments in XYZ are now worthless so therefore MNO is "[fill in bad descriptor of choice]"

 

But I'm pretty sure ALL 3rd party developers have other full time jobs (not related to their FS work).

 

What you experience in AVSIM is not unique, you'll find the same in just about any forum where similar products exist and are discussed, debated, hated, liked.  That's the human condition.  But as with all internet forums, navigate your way thru the JibberJabber and find the good content ... there is lots of good out there, dig and filter (it can be tedious at times but keep at it).

 

Be it XP10, FSX, P3Dv2, or something else, they all have their positives and sometimes it just takes a little work (and money) to get the best out of them ... they are what you want to make of them.

 

Rob

Hi all,

 

 

What you experience in AVSIM is not unique, you'll find the same in just about any forum where similar products exist and are discussed, debated, hated, liked.  That's the human condition.  But as with all internet forums, navigate your way thru the JibberJabber and find the good content ... there is lots of good out there, dig and filter (it can be tedious at times but keep at it).

 

I liked you quote Rob, hahahaha Wasn't my intention to stir the pot and get the post locked, lol. I thought it might be nice to just ask the question and see where the thread went. I have the deepest respect for all our simming friends out there. I just sometimes get fed up with the "your doing it wrong" with no explanation of why. Also the "This is rubbish" but don't tell us why it's rubbish. "I have this because it's the latest" I must have the latest! Why?

 

I have tried to stay away from listing my own experiences here, as I wanted the thread to be about the attitude of the simmers. I only run an i3 processor, it runs FSX and all the aircraft, PMDG, A2A, Majestic, scenery UTX, GEX,, FlyTampa, GSDT and weather REX too,  it runs EFB as well. The thing is I haven't spent a fortune updating the PC to run it all on, One graphic card update for a new monitor and changed to Windows7x 64bit and thats it. Thing is it works, no tweak's overclocking, no CTD's or OOM's either. Except when I bought the 777 and flew to third party airports, but I cured that by trying DX10!! I don't spend ages and ages tweaking and fiddling and rebuilding my PC each time something better appears. I enjoy what I have! 

 

If I was going to update to a new sim, in my eyes that would only happen if A, my computer died and I have to buy a new one, so then update, although thinking about it I would just update the hardware and run FSX still most likely. or B, someone produced something earth shatteringly good which didn't involve me binning everything I have now. I'm not sure why I would buy another sim, and still use the old one just to keep the older addon's. Why not just keep the older sim?

 

Anyway, interesting comments thanks guys, I'm enjoying reading them all