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Is it in Opus plans to make their weather engine compatible with the soon to be implemented Weather Radar feature on the PMDG T7?

 

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Thank you for your info, guess I should have done a better search.

 

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Please see the PMDG 777 topic in this OpusFSX forum.

 

This confirms and shows the excellent ASN Weather Radar and the OpusFSX Live Weather Engine (also OpusFSI) working very well together. There are no problems using the Opus weather engine with the 777 and weather radar data provided by ASN.

 

Stephen :-)

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This is great news Stephen, the way the conversations were going over at the PMDG forums, the weather radar feature would only work with ASN unless compatibility was incorporated into Opus, so I haven't even given it a try yet.

 

Changing to ASN just was not (is not) an option.

 

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As I said many time on the forums, weather radar data is totally independent of the weather engine or source of weather and should work no matter what source of weather you use, even the standard FSX or P3D weather or static themes. If you wish to use the ASN weather radar feature then purchase a copy of ASN, install, but you should not need to use the ASN weather engine.

 

The same compatibility is inbuilt into the REX weather radar Addon when that is released. It is fully compatible with all weather engines and all source of weather.

 

Stephen :-)

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As far as I know AS do not sell the weather radar feature as a separate Addon. REX are planning such an Addon, so if you want weather radar data extracted from the sim you could either wait for that or purchase ASN. But yes, if you want to use ASNs weather radar feature you will need to purchase it.

 

Stephen

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So Stephen is there an option you guys build a similar wx engine? Now i have to buy ASN too?

 

That wasn't what i had in mind!

 

Thanks

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I tested yesterday the weather radar with Opus (I own both full versions of ASN and Opus) in an area that had -SHRA reported in their metar (specifically in ZUGY and ZUUU around 2100z yesterday). And while ASN showed patches of green here and there - what would be expected, opus depicted an armageddon up in the air - the weather radar was 70% in magenta. So it seems that the source of the weather matters very much contrary to what Stephen is saying and unfortunately for the simmers - as greater competition means better quality of products. The 777 weather radar seems to be calibrated towards ASN and otherwise shows gibberish results. 

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Of course you can get different weather or cloud formations, cloud precipitation levels etc. injected with different weather engines, pretty obvious really.

 

Once again the data is NOT tuned to anything, it just reflects the actual weather inside the sim at that moment. Please stop interpreting or believing things are any different. The data is totally independent of the source of the weather, not tuned to anything, the weather data in the sim provides the same type of data no matter what engine is used. All this is pretty clear ... FSX internal data is the same no matter what other software is running.

 

The weather radar data has NOTHING to do with the weather engine ... It is extracted from the current cloud and precipitation data inside the sim. Simple as that. Please guys, I hope I don't have to keep stating the obvious for many more months.

 

Stephen

 

You WILL get weather radar data (dependent on the current cloud formations and precipitation levels in those clouds) no matter what the source of the weather.

 

The data inside the sim is NO different in each case.

 

You will even get weather radar data with FSX or P3D weather, or even static weather themes.

 

It is not possible to 'tune' the internal weather data ... It simply represents the current cloud formations and the precipitation levels defined in those clouds ... This will obviously be different with different weather engines.

 

The same arguments will apply to the REX Weather Radar Addon when that is released. The internal Wx radar data does not care what source of the weather is, it reflects what is surrounding your aircraft. All pretty simple and obvious. So if you want WX radar either purchase ASN or the new REX Addon. When LM fixes the SimConnect RequestCloudState function none of these Addons will be needed but will all still function.

 

Stephen

 

And here's a link showing the 777 WX radar with the OpusFSX weather engine ... Showing perfect WX radar echoes and graduate radar intensities ... Which obviously depend on the current weather ... And NOTHING else ... NO tuning to this or that engine.

 

http://www.simforums.com/forums/adverse-weather-condition-over-northern-india_topic49734&SID=724522834b9c73a86b9e9642162f52449537037.html

 

Please no more assumptions .. The internal weather data inside the sim does not change depending on the engine, it is what it is and reflects nothing more than the current weather, cloud formations, and precipitation.

 

Stephen

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Dear Stephen,

 

I bought the upgrade to OpusFSI but I didn't find the proper information regarding the upgrade process itself.

I have questions like:

 

1) Where should I install the upgrade? Same directory of OpusFSX? New directory? Will it take my camera definitions of OpusFSX?

2) I found no Start Menu program folders nor icons, is this correct?

3) Related to the previous questions, should I run manually FSISERVER.EXE prior to running FSX.EXE? Any way to make it automatic?

...

 

One more question, does OpusFSI solve that DHM issue associated with the flight model/flight dynamics of some aircraft?

 

Thanks.

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You can find information in our Getting Started guide. http://www.opussoftware.co.uk/opusfsi/opusfsi_getting_started.htm

Run the OpusFSI_Upgrade_Purchase.exe file. You will now find the OpusFSI.msi installation file in your 'unwrapped' C:\Opus Software folder. N.B. You need to keep both your OpusFSX and OpusFSI Flight1 key and licence files on drive C in the C:\Opus Software folder but can move the msi file to another drive. You can keep OpusFSX installed if you wish.

Double click on the OpusFSI.msi file and follow the instructions to install the software into the OpusFSI directory. You may install the software onto any drive provided its folder name is OpusFSI with the exception that you must not install OpusFSI in the Opus Software, FSX or Program Files folders, and don't install in more than one folder on your PC.

 

Yes you can reuse your cameras. Just copy your camera (CAM) files from the OpusFSX folder to the OpusFSI folder. The FSXSERVER.CAM file stores all cameras created on your main server system for use with the Microsoft FSX Flight Simulator. The P3DSERVER.CAM file stores all cameras created on your main server system for use with the Lockheed Martin Prepar3D Flight Simulator. Note also that you can reuse your opus 'FSX configured' cameras in P3D by copying FSXSERVER.CAM to P3DSERVER.CAM and vice versa.

 

Follow the Getting Started guide which shows you how to create the relevant icons if required. http://www.opussoftware.co.uk/opusfsi/opusfsx_getting_started.htm#_Toc345576859

 

Run the sim prior to OpusFSI, or you can start it automatically as described in the Getting Started guide,

http://www.opussoftware.co.uk/opusfsi/opusfsi_getting_started2.htm#_Toc345576867

 

If you have problems with the DHM in certain aircraft then you should set an appropriate DOF to suit your preference and capabilities of the aircraft sim. Set the lower value options if your aircraft sim has trouble maintaining a heading. You can also set a Delay factor (0..10 = Fastest to Slowest, default 0) which adjusts the Bump Aircraft frequency, or just turn off Aircraft Bump altogether if you still have problems. You will just have to try it on your system to see how it handles. Disable the turbulence effects within 3rd party packages since they may conflict with OpusFSI.

 

Cheryl

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Thank you Cheryl.

Even though I could use the previous camera definitions, I had to redo from scratch all the configuration for the "camera movements", using a second joystick (which looks like a modern videogame controller). Fortunately it was quite an easy task, not taking much time to redo all configs.

I noticed that the "recommended practices" texts and help files (maybe not all of them) look a bit outdated, is that right? Do you plan to update them so that they become applicable to the program's latest version? For sure that would be desirable, since it's a bit complicated reading something that can't be applied the way it was explained.

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Hi Wanthuyr

 

Some of the dialog help text files are slightly out of date so I will update them, thanks for the heads up. The PDFs installed with your software should be relevant to that version but I admit that the documentation for the betas may not always describe the latest feature since Stephen is too eager to post a new version without waiting for me to catch up on the documentation. The online versions of the help relate to the very latest version available.

 

The release notes in your Opus folder will always be up to date and also our announcements of new versions on SimForums http://www.simforums.com/forums/announcements_topic42608_post316136.html#316136

 

Cheryl

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Hi Stephen,

 

As a huge fan of OPUS FSI I am little confused now about weather radar in the newly released PMDG B737NGX for P3d. I found this in the Introduction Manual (paraphrased) ...

 

It is in the Troubleshooting section ... about weather radar not working.
 

They tells us that a Collins WXR-2100 simulation in installed in the PMDG 737NGX (SP1d and later). I says it requires the Active Sky Next or later weather engine software from HiFi Technologies Inc. They state that the reason reason for this is that they are the only weather addon on the market at the time of writing that outputs a '3D precipitation dataset' that PMDG devs can use to realistically simulate 'radar physics'.

 

They point out that this is not possible at the moment with the P3D default weather or any other weather addon, but that they will be working with other weather addon developers to integrate similar technology if they provide it within their program.

 

Are we all at cross -purposes Stephen or are there any grounds for us to look forward to wx radar in the P3d NXG courtesy of our OPUSFSI some time in the future?

 

Regards,

 

Gareth?

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Hi Gareth,

 

Firstly, the Wx Radar data is TOTALLY independent of the actual source of weather, so ANY Wx Radar feature or Addon will work with any weather engine or source of weather data, including our OpusFSI Live Weather, OpusFSI World Weather Themes, or even the sim's own weather or static themes.

 

OpusFSI does not provide a Wx radar addon feature. The data for which must extracted directly from within the sims own memory map as the RequestCloudState SimConnect function has never worked. Wx radar data is totally independent of the source of the weather or the weather engine that injects the weather. Weather engines cannot create Wx radar data as the exact cloud density or cloud state data is needed and it's the sim that positions clouds using the limited number of installed cloud bitmaps.

We will consider implementing such a feature for P3D only when LM repair the RequestCloudState function (as the announced they would some time ago) or provide an alternate means to read the cloud state data via its new PDK interface. However, we would much prefer it if other Addons providing Wx Radar data would cater for any source of weather, as will the REX Wx Radar addon. If not we may be forced to do our own feature or develop our own DLL.

 

If you want Wx Radar in your PMDG aircraft you should purchase the ASN product and use their Wx Radar feature. The latest release of ASN does attempt to force users to enable the ASN weather.

 

However, it is a very simple process to circumvent this by,

 

1. Running ASN and allowing it to validate its licence and enable its Wx Radar data, then

2. KILL the ASN process using Task Manager to prevent it from disabling the Wx Radar feature you have purchased.

 

This will prevent ASN ruining your sim experience by disabling the Wx Radar data, or preventing you from enjoying whatever source of weather you desire, including your saved OpusFSI World Weather Themes. Again, the actual source of weather or weather engine is totally irrelevant with this data.

 

Sorry for the delay in answering you but we've just returned from our holidays. Thanks for your kind comments, very much appreciated.

Stephen :-)

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Stephen, I'm not a lover of hacks or paying full whack for a product I am unlikely to use fully or very often (ASN for me would be wxr in NGX only), so I would vote for opus producing a dll of your own to enable wxr capabilitles please.

 

Happy to pay a bit extra for that (yes even to hifi if they sold wxr dll separately, but we know thars not going to happen!)

 

Cheers K

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Just not worth the cost and lengthy time for developing a DLL which is going to hack into the memory map of the sim when first, there are already addons (developers who have developed this already, another one added to the list would mean no developer makes a profit), and second any such development will always be totally incompatible with active products such as FSX-SE and P3D).

 

Kevin you should bare in mind REX have already spent considerable time (as did ASN) to develop there 'invasive' and unsupported Addon. With Opus doing it, by the time we completed the costly development most users would already have purchased a Wx Radar addon already (it would never be cost effective). Also LM have already announced they are going to fix the RequestCloudState function which would make all these invasive unofficial Wx Radar addons completely obsolete. We will also be asking Steam to look at repairing this function as well.

 

My work around above is no hack though. It allows the addon to validate its licence and enable a feature the user has paid for already. It just allows the user to decide what source of weather data they want to use, even the sims own weather, or our OpusFSI World Weather Themes (doesn't have to be live weather or weather from an addon , just weather).

 

Stephen :-)

 

If you still want the detailed and real world OpusFSI Live Weather, or want to enjoy your OpusFSI World Weather Themes, or want to enjoy any other source of weather, you can use the following simple procedure,

 

1. Start ASN, allow it to validate its licence and enable its WX Radar feature.

2. Open the Windows Task Manager.

3. Highlight the ASN process and click on the End Process option.

4. Start FSISERVER and update its weather in the usual manner.

 

Hopefully AS will soon provide an option to disable their weather injection (as we do). This will then allow people to purchase ASN and make use of their textures and Wx radar features whilst still having the free choice of what source of weather they want to fly in.

 

As a further precaution, I would advise, if you wish to use OpusFSI Live Weather (or any other source of weather injection for that matter including static themes) I would advise you to take a copy of this latest ASN version. That way you can always restore it should an update try and spoil things for you.

 

As you know we have always encouraged people to purchase a copy of ASN if they wish to enjoy their Wx Radar feature. Nothing has changed with this latest update although it would have been better if the above procedure was unnecessary each time users want to enjoy a different source of weather.

 

Stephen :-)

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Hi Stephen,

 

Thank you for your comprehensive reply!  Excellent. This depth of explanation is precisely why I am with Opus. As for me I will wait. Besides in another thread I picked this up ... if I may quote you here ...

 

Personally I don't bother with Wx radar (for airliner flying) and find its better to plan my route using the OpusFSI LWA Map with weather data overlays, by considering the precipitation data overlay, cruise level winds or wind arrows, and cruise or upper level turbulence overlays. The above is always much better when flying IFR with the Lancair Legacy or similar aircraft anyway.

 

I thought this comment added some useful perspective to all of this. But of course weather radar is still fun and I have enjoyed it in the Aerosoft Airbus. 

 

I'm please LM are playing ball over the RequestCloudState function. They really do want to please. 

 

Thanks for everything you do for us.

 

Gareth 

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Just install the ASN demo and PMDG's weather radar will also work with Opus  :smile:

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Hiya Tim,

 

Thanks for the tip!

 

I did the ASN 7-day trial some months ago and chose to stick with Stephen and FSI. Anyway, I decided to request a new Trial today but got turned down by their auto registering system!

 

Ha! How precious! As a marketing specialist for many years I find that un-enlightened! Especially when someone goes through the rigmarole of having to download the programme, then register on their system and almost beg for it!  If I was selling a product (and I've had some) and someone wanted to try it out - good grief I'd at least let them have a decent crack at it. Either a longer trial or multiple opportunities... there are lots of ways. Things change, people change. Let's not forget either its a premium-priced product in the flightsim order of things. 

 

So that's a shame! But being a man of integrity I won't go seeking a workaround I don't know of :) 

   

Cheers,

 

Gareth

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Hi Gareth,

it should work as long as you have ASN installed...even if your trial period has expired...

At least that was my experience before I bought ASN.

 

Greetings

Tim

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The data for which must extracted directly from within the sims own memory map as the RequestCloudState SimConnect function has never worked.

 

This does cause issues and is risky (technically it's reverse engineering to work around missing SDK/PDK functionality) ... I'm hoping LM will provide the necessary support that would provide a level playing field such that all developers (not just REX, ASN, Opus, FSGRW) can leverage the SDK/PDK features.

 

Realistically, everyone and anyone can be a 3rd party content provider ... that's how this all got started and should continue to be encouraged.

 

I have REX, Opus, ASN, FSGRW and frequently switch between them and find it interesting how each product interprets the weather (never exactly the same) which adds a level a variance that I frankly like.

 

LM do listen to reasonable requests and making SDK/PDK features work seems like a reasonable request.

 

Cheers, Rob.

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