Oom Are Now Worse Than Before

[Nyxx 6,993]

You need to turn off your addon scenery like the guy said.

No AI traffic and use low res sounds and cockpit.

All add-ons are OFF apart from global and two airports.

 

No Ai and use low res sounds, WOW what a great aircraft this is. Seems to me its more build to show is what we could use if it ran on 64bit not fsx as we know it.

 

I don't mind turning scenery OFF but when you get down to just global and two airports with AI@ 8% and it still OOM's every time....come on!!!

 

@Robert

Thanks you for your help.

Done what your said about Vector, does that make OOM's I did what you said there where a lot moved to right side, would that make OOM's happen?

Yes I use my traffic. No idea how you look at bgl files with in MT will have a look.

 

It's very frustrating when you load up the NGX and all is perfect. The one wish above all with SP1 was the VAS and it seems SP1 has made it worse.

[Beardyman 604]

I have old i7 rig on Win7 64, few Tampa airports, all freeware UK2000, ORBX Global, UT2 set for 40%, ASN, RC4, FS Real Time - and have never ever experienced any OOM.

I even do not know how OOM warning sound sounds like.

Before I was flying NGX, now extensively checking 777 doing 11 hours flights.

Those computers are really strange...

[devgrp 1,233]

Makes no difference at all. So long as you have over 4Gb a GFX card from around 2010 and a I5 you are set. FSX can't use more than 4Gb, doesn't make use of SLI, barely makes use of new GFX cards, doesn't really understand multi-core, it was released 8 years ago.

 

 

It does make a difference, albeit slight.

 

I find the 777 uses about 800mb, you aren't going to run that from UK2000 EGLL V3 with ORBX England, it's more than FSX can handle. I have found you need to reduce AI traffic mines around 15%, turn off all addon scenery other than the departure and destination airports, LOD around 3.5.

 

The (unfortunately) short answer is that we need a new sim.

I don't know what you guys are doing wrong but I just flew from Drzewiecki JFK to uk2000 egll with orbx England ut2 at 35% and landed with 3.6 on the VAS meter lol.

 

Setting are as follows. My tml is 4096, autogen is normal, scene complexity is very dense, lod is 4.5, water low 2x, everything else in the scenery tab is all the way right. Maybe I'm just lucky but I I'm always monitoring my VAS usage with process Explorer.

 

When I started out at JFK my VAS was 3.4. It topped out at 3.6 because of me changing views couple times. Back in the very I watch it settle back to 3.4. If you change vc alot where you have detail scenery in view that increases your VAS.

 

Pierre W

[Jim Young 2,356]

I hope everyone who has had an OOM read the Intro Guide to the 777 regarding OOM's and/or followed the guidance at the following link - http://support.preci...mory-oom-errors. AVSIM has a nice CTD Guide too which provides further guidance and things you can do to diagnose/investigate your problem.

Best regards

Edited July 26, 2014 by firehawk44
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[Nyxx 6,993]

Link is not working Jim

As I write this the top 3 topic here are all OOM.

Properly like most never had them until the 777.

 

This link Jim?

http://support.precisionmanuals.com/kb/a108/vas-management-stopping-out-of-memory-oom-errors

 

Funny that it start with blar blar 777....read it and double now read the SP1 stuff.

Bottom line is run fsx on bear bonds and you might get a flight in.

I will over weekend turn of detail 3d VC (lol) and turn off exterior model.

 

Funny that PMDG seem to miss the point that they have pushed VAS to far on the 777 or like in other posts, it might have a memory leak?

 

I would take a big chunk less VAS over even the wonderful new WX. If you cannot do a flight the WX and the 777 become pointless. Doing a 2hour flight with setting set for light VAS with just two addon airports should not be asking to much.

[WotanUK 289]

 

 

it might have a memory leak?

 

Not this again...PMDG have repeatedly said that there is no memory leak.  It's a big complex add-on, it uses about 800mb, that stays pretty continuous, what does change are the scenery add-ons, FSX doesn't appear to release memory once you have moved away from the scenery area.  To illustrate this if i take the A2A C172 from Goodwood and fly over UK2000 EGLL V3 the available VAS can drop by over 1Gb, this does not entirely return to the pool even when i am back at Goodwood...not to mention what this particular airport does to my FPS. 

 

If you disable all extraneous scenery it's just about capable of a long flight, but yes it does bounce very close to the limit.  I think that the aircraft is probably right on the limit of what FSX is capable of supporting. 

[Big_Duke 11]

 or like in other posts, it might have a memory leak?

If there was a memory leak, it would leak for everyone. I'm on my third 300ER/SP1 flight now and free VAS is holding steady at 2.2GB available two hours in - totally stable and no fluctuation. Yes, the 777 and SP1 are VAS-heavy, but I've flown 80 flights, most in the 8-12 hour range with NO OOMs. Yes, I've flown into UK2K's EGLL as well as all FSDT's and Fly Tampa's sceneries without problem. As repeated numerous times, you can't have it all with FSX; choices and compromises need to be made. You'll never get all the scenery eye-candy you'd like, but that's understandable. The biggest offenders seem almost always to be Autogen, LOD, and AI traffic. I fly with Autogen set to sparse (1) which still gives plenty of it, and LOD set to 4.0 which satisfies my eyes (I'm concentrating on the runway during approach, not gawking at the far horizon), and I run MTX 5.4c at 50% traffic. I can still land at most complex airports with about 1.2GB free VAS.

[Gabriel Teles 172]

You guys with OOM problems... have you already run that DXT Fixer X that an AVSIM user created some time ago? His nickname was "neumanix"...

If you haven't, give it a try.

[JRBarrett 3,075]

It really seems very system dependent. I have an almost 3-year old Sandy Bridge system, with 8GB of system memory, and a GTX-770 4GB GPU. I use dual 27-inch monitors, running in DX10 mode with the Fixer program.

 

I am surprised at many users reporting that they START with as much as 3.2 GB VAS used - just loading initially on the ramp, before even beginning their flight. My initial VAS useage with the 300 is typically 2.2 GB, and that is with Pilot's Global Ultimate mesh, ORBX FS Global textures, and Vector. I also have the new ORBX European OpenLC, though that should not come into play, as my initial flights with the 300 have been within the U.S.

 

I run ASN weather, with cloud draw distance set to 90 miles. I have AI set to zero, but I do have the full set of MyTrafficX AI models loaded, as I use them for generating other-player models when flying on Vatsim with VPilot.

 

I always display free VAS remaining in the FS window using FSUIPC, so I know my exact VAS situation at any given moment.

 

I just did an American Airlines flight from FSDT DFW to FSDT LAX 2.0 in the 300. My total VAS useage on takeoff was 2.3 GB. It reduced to 2.1 GB once up at cruise. I flew into an area of thunderstorms over Arizona, which resulted in the generation of multiple layers of broken clouds, and my VAS useage went up to 2.9 GB.

 

On descent to LAX, as more ground detail began to generate as I decreased altitude, my VAS went up to 3.1 GB. On touchdown at LAX, and during the taxi to the gate the VAS peaked at 3.3 GB, which still left almost 700MB VAS "breathing room" before entering OOM territory.

 

Mind you, my total VAS used, after an almost 3 hour flight through heavy clouds, was less than some users START with when initially loading the 300. Since my VAS consumption increased by just about 1.2 GB from initial load to completion of the flight, I would say that anyone STARTING with over 3GB VAS already in use is certainly doomed to OOM.

 

Not at all sure why this would be the case for those starting with so little free VAS. I run textures set at 2048, stock LOD of 4.5, and most graphics settings pretty far to the right with the exception of Autogen, which I keep at the center "normal" setting. I do not disable any scenery or add-on airports, and even with ASN loading weather, and starting at a graphically intense add-on airport, I never have less than about 2GB free VAS headroom when loading a flight with the 300.

 

My recommendation for those having OOM issues, would be to pay close attention to the total VAS in use when initially loading the 300, and to experiment with changing graphics settings, weather, AI and/or ground/sea traffic etc., (exiting and reloading FSX as necessary) to try to achieve the maximum amount of free VAS remaining when initially loading a flight.

[RudiJG1 172]

It really seems very system dependent. I have an almost 3-year old Sandy Bridge system, with 8GB of system memory, and a GTX-770 4GB GPU. I use dual 27-inch monitors, running in DX10 mode with the Fixer program.

 

I am surprised at many users reporting that they START with as much as 3.2 GB VAS used - just loading initially on the ramp, before even beginning their flight. My initial VAS useage with the 300 is typically 2.2 GB, and that is with Pilot's Global Ultimate mesh, ORBX FS Global textures, and Vector. I also have the new ORBX European OpenLC, though that should not come into play, as my initial flights with the 300 have been within the U.S.

 

My hardware specs, addons, FSX settings, and experiences with the PMDG 777 are almost exactly like Jim's...and I've yet to see a OOM. I do turn off any scenery addons I won't be flying into, out of, or over. And unlike Jim, I run Ultimate Traffic 2 at modest levels all of the time.

 

I can imagine that OOMs are enormously frustrating, but it's hard to see how one can provide any advice to address them, given the huge variability in each user's system, settings, and operating system environment. Talk about the need for a multivariate analysis...

[ger 2]

HI all ,

 

i never had any OOM problems , installed the seperate sp1 over the 777RTM , installed the 777-300  and made some long flights , OMDB KIAH OMDB without shutting down fsx NAZZ KLAX NZAA , you name it  no problems at all until 2 days ago , .I departed EHAM    , destination KIAH , 2 - 3 hours in flight ding ding ...OOM , i was cruising over the Atlantic at 34000 feet , no scenery or whatever in sight .

 Every flight since then ends in OOM.

 

Yesterday i made a fresh windows 7 64 bit install  with a fresh fsx   on DX10 and the only addon installed is the pmdg 777 .

 

5 Hours ago departed EHAM , VAS was 2.3 GB at the runway ,  at this moment about 5 hours into flight at the end of the Atlantic  i hit 3.8 GB according to proces explorer .

Every 15 minutes i looked at proces explorer and noticed the VAS was building up , even above the Atlantic and even with no scenery in sight .

 

I have a fresh FSX on DX10  only the 777 installed , no ASN , no airport scenery no ftx global just FSX DX10 with the 777  .Settings are not even half  ,in  the beginning of the week i could run fsx with all settings maxed out with heavy airport scenery , KIAH CYVR KLAX no problem at all .The only thing i changed was uninstalling the 777RTM with seperate sp1  and installing a fresh new downloaded file from the pmdg website wich included the sp1 .Why did i changed it , i don't know maybe thought that a file with sp1 included would be better than a sp1 file over the RTM , wish i would never had done that , .If i get another oom i m gonne uninstall the complete file and install the RTM file with seperate SP1 file , maybe it will work  , like i said , wish i never had changed it ...i think something is wrong with this plane ...if i have a lot of heavy scenery or high settings  then i understand that i would get  OOm but a fress DX10 FSX  , no addons except pmdg 777 i find it strange .

 

Best regards ,

 

Gérard

[davidzill 8]

Phil, doing all that would take all the fun out of the aircraft, just to be able to fly it.

 

I don't think it's OOM or people's settings too high. I have a high end computer with a 4.6ghz CPU, and my crashes all occurred at times of very low memory usage. And this issue only happens with 777 SP1, no other aircraft ever. I think PMDG was being pushed by impatient customers to release SP1, when in fact it may have needed another month or two of development. You would think the beta testers would have picked up on the issue...

[WotanUK 289]

 

 

You would think the beta testers would have picked up on the issue...

 

Assuming of course that EVERYBODY has the issue, which they don't.  Personally i have never experienced a crash in the 777, i have had OOM's, but i have also had an OOM in the A2A 172, seems to have been caused by UK2000 EGLL and ORBX England.

 

Given your highly overclocked system i would probably start with that for crashes.  I have a Water Cooled 4770K and i can't get it stable at 4.6Ghz, I can get it too 4.6 it'll run Windows fine but i'll start seeing crashes about 30mins into any application or game.  Now obviously, your chip could be better than mine for overclocking, perhaps you are more knowledgeable at overclocking, but it could still be an issue.

[davidzill 8]

Wotan, I have considered my CPU, but it is a well tested Sandybridge, 2600K, stable 24/7 under stress testing for stability. I think the big question is, what do those who have the issue have in common as far as their computer hardware and software, vs those who don't. That little equation would probably provide some very useful information to the PMDG developers

[Gabriel Teles 172]

Guys, in my humble opinion, there's something to be made clear here:

We would need just one simmer flying the 777 with some autogen, custom mesh, third-party airports etc. without OOM issues to prove that the 777 isn't inherently flawed. 

But we don't have just one simmer; we have plenty of them. Hundreds of them. Maybe thousands of them. 

Keep this in mind -- or else I have a serious miracle happening in my PC everytime I fly my 777. 

 

And again -- folks with OOM problems, have you tried to run DXT Fixer X? It may help.