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So I just bought P3D and am currently downloading.  I'll install later and give this a try on my somewhat "old" system.  Hoping to run at least smooth with visuals comparable to FSX now.  Would be really nice to get to throw in cloud shadows.  Anything above that would be icing on the cake.

 

Anyway, I'll post my experience later then for any of you still out there that are curious how it'd run on a system similar to mine.  I have an i5 2500k(OC'd to 4.2>), GTX 560Ti 1G, 8G RAM on Win7 64-bit.

 

Fingers crossed...hoping this doesn't lead me to "need" to upgrade my hardware prior to the planned 1Q2015 that I have now.  :)  It wasn't really a 'if' I got P3D but just a when.  With PMDG announcing their products coming over and the prospect of a 64-bit version somewhere down the line, I finally figure that this is the future of flight simming.  X-Plane looks great and I was debating for so long which to choose.  But, with being able to use most of my FSX add ons and not lose that investment, P3D became the winner.

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You should get "acceptable" results with that system. The video card is the weak link, the 560 is considered barely passable as far as P3D goes.

 

Enjoy!

 

Vic

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You should get "acceptable" results with that system. The video card is the weak link, the 560 is considered barely passable as far as P3D goes.

 

Enjoy!

 

Vic

Yep.  That's my biggest worry, I know.  Like I said, hoping it will be good enough for now and not cause me to salivate too much at the latest video cards out there.  LOL

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I understand!  I don't want to offend any serious FSX fans out there but even at reduced settings on a so-so video card - P3D blows FSX away. Setting the same as FSX will be like kicking FSX up at least one notch in sliders so start with the default that P3D assigns.

 

It will probably start you at 20FPS - resist the urge to change that at first. Start increasing the settings slowly to get the look you want. When you get that, you can try kicking up the FPS but you might find that you do not need high FPS, except for bragging rights. If you overload the GPU it will bleed off onto the CPU and your FPS will suffer. Find those sweet spots and adjust around them.

 

Autogen and AI traffic are major fps killers.

 

Use no tweaks. P3D really doesn't need them and many are either disabled or not needed.

 

As I said - Enjoy!

 

Vic

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Kevin,

 

Your system is almost identical to the PC that I replaced at the end of July (when the motherboard and GPU failed). I am curious to find out how well P3D performs on that system. My decision to "upgrade" to P3D was effectively made for me when I decided to purchase a completely new PC (i5 4690k @ 4.6Ghz/2GB GTX 770/16GB Hyper X Fury RAM), and I am glad to say that it runs very well indeed at high detail levels with lots of FSX addons installed.

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I understand!  I don't want to offend any serious FSX fans out there but even at reduced settings on a so-so video card - P3D blows FSX away. Setting the same as FSX will be like kicking FSX up at least one notch in sliders so start with the default that P3D assigns.

 

It will probably start you at 20FPS - resist the urge to change that at first. Start increasing the settings slowly to get the look you want. When you get that, you can try kicking up the FPS but you might find that you do not need high FPS, except for bragging rights. If you overload the GPU it will bleed off onto the CPU and your FPS will suffer. Find those sweet spots and adjust around them.

 

Autogen and AI traffic are major fps killers.

 

Use no tweaks. P3D really doesn't need them and many are either disabled or not needed.

 

As I said - Enjoy!

 

Vic

Thanks a lot for the advice, Vic.  I will do what you suggested.

 

Yeah, if I can just get smooth performance along with adding some of the P3D benefits, I will be happy.  I don't care what my FPS number is.  Never have.  Even in FSX.  I just strive for "smooth".  Just hoping for some cloud shadows and no more "autogen popping" at the same time and this will be a very worthy upgrade.

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Be careful with the cloud density, Kevin. That can significantly impact performance.

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Be careful with the cloud density, Kevin. That can significantly impact performance.

 

+1

 

Volumetric Fog can also kill FPS on older systems.

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Ok, thanks for the suggestions everyone.  Time to embark on my first ever P3D flight.  Aerosoft ENGM - FlyTampa EKCH in the Airbus X A319.  I'll be posting my first impressions soon...

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Ok, so just arrived at EKCH.  First impressions:

 

Well, I'm happy to report that I can run P3D with my current hardware at acceptable levels.  I can't say however that the flight was entirely smooth.  Overall, it was better than FSX but still not completely smooth.  Maybe it's not possible with my hardware.

 

In defense of P3D though, I have ASN drawing 90nm minimum distance vs the 60nm min I had set in FSX(It is what ASN defaults to so I left it there just to see).  Not sure to what effect that would have.  I took all of P3D's defaults with the exception of setting cloud shadows to 10000m I believe was the setting(not sure, still getting used to all these new options/terminology vs what they are in FSX, if at all).  Oh, and P3D by default enabled volumetric fog(not sure if it does on all systems by default?) so I left it there for now.  This may sound stupid, but I don't really know that I actually was in weather conditions that would cause volumetric fog though - so I noticed no hit there.  On approach into EKCH, visibility did drop but I think that's not the same as volumetric fog, right?

 

In defense of FSX, I still do not have any mesh installed, Ultimate Traffic, or Vector(had UT in FSX but will be getting FTX Vector for P3D real soon).  So, I'm not sure what adding that to P3D will do. 

 

Overall, it's just one flight, but I think I can safely say that even with my current system, P3D is my new sim.  Visually, the overall experience was just more "real" looking than FSX.  I have REX4 for textures and the water on approach to EKCH was just stunning.  I'm not sure if my cloud shadows setting showed much or not due to the late afternoon arrival into EKCH and the sun being so low in the sky this time of year up there.  So maybe too low of an angle to really notice ground shadows and/or too dark to see them.  I did appear to have shadowing from the clouds in my cockpit which was really cool!  Oh, yeah, and no autogen popping - at least inside the LOD radius anyway.  I could see it sort of "pop" or be added as my LOD kept moving w/ my aircraft.  Not sure if I'll be able to bump that up to not notice that or not w/ my hardware but we'll see.

 

Oh, I haven't been able to get FS2Crew for the AirbusX to install.  Get the "host aircraft cannot be found".  The fix supposedly was to download the latest installer according to posts in the past week.  So, I did that.  Downloaded new installer today and could not install it.  Anyone have any help there?

 

Also, for mesh, I assume FSGenesis mesh will work out of the box in P3D, correct? believe I read that somewhere.  Other than that, I just need Vector and to re-install all my scenery into P3D and I'm all set.  One more thing, do you really need the migration tool for all that?  Can you not just install scenery to anywhere(temp folder or whatever) and copy it over to P3D and add proper cfg entries?  Or, even copy it straight from FSX install?

 

Thanks so far for all the help.

 

-A new happy P3D user!  :)

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I have the same system except Im OC to 4.8g and run fsx very nicely so I was curious about your feedback. What I see is you swapped but still have problems. Why don't you try to OC higher? I mean you have nothing to lose be trying it even though P3D is GPU intensive it wont hurt to OC the CPU

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I have the same system except Im OC to 4.8g and run fsx very nicely so I was curious about your feedback. What I see is you swapped but still have problems. Why don't you try to OC higher? I mean you have nothing to lose be trying it even though P3D is GPU intensive it wont hurt to OC the CPU

I wouldn't say I still have problems...at least not in such a way that I'm not happy about the switch.  Yes, it's still wasn't butter smooth for the entire flight, but it was overall a better experience than FSX.  It was smoother than FSX.  It was definitely "prettier" than FSX.  I feel that I have more of those immersion effects with P3D than I did with FSX.  Overall, I am happy with the switch.  And, that's also with no tweaking or changing much.  So, there may be wiggle room yet to either make it butter smooth, or drop dead gorgeous too.  :)

 

Yeah, I'm also not sure what higher OC would really get me.  I think it's pretty obvious that with P3D, my GPU is going to be the biggest thing holding me back now.  A completely new system is in the plans as I said for early next year.  In the mean time, I'm happy to be able to run it where it's at now settings wise on my current system.

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Also, for mesh, I assume FSGenesis mesh will work out of the box in P3D, correct? believe I read that somewhere.  Other than that, I just need Vector and to re-install all my scenery into P3D and I'm all set.  One more thing, do you really need the migration tool for all that?  Can you not just install scenery to anywhere(temp folder or whatever) and copy it over to P3D and add proper cfg entries?  Or, even copy it straight from FSX install?

 

I use FSGenesis and I use the EMT for all non P3D ready installs even some of those the tool is needed - I can not install that mesh without it - get the tool you need it - dont ask just get it - you will thank me later 

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On the topic of video cards I used a 570 for the first year, recently upgraded to a 970 and it's night and day difference.  

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Kevin - Looks like you are on your way! A couple of suggestions

 

Reduce the cloud draw distance to 80 in ASN

 

Reduce cloud layers to 3

 

Strange as it may seem, set cloud shadows to 80000 - don't know why but it appears the hit on the system is LESS with the higher setting.

 

Terrain shadows can be a killer.

 

Enjoy!

 

Vic

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Kevin - Looks like you are on your way! A couple of suggestions

 

Reduce the cloud draw distance to 80 in ASN

 

Reduce cloud layers to 3

 

Strange as it may seem, set cloud shadows to 80000 - don't know why but it appears the hit on the system is LESS with the higher setting.

 

Terrain shadows can be a killer.

 

Enjoy!

 

Vic

Thanks, Vic.  I'll give those settings a shot on the next flight.  I did bump up my cloud shadows(can't remember to what they are at right now but they are higher than my initial post of 10000) and there seems to be no impact that I can tell.  That alone is a huge benefit in making the switch to me.  The weather overall, with the shadows, ASN, in P3D, just seems even more "immersive".  Hard to really describe but it just feels even more real than FSX to me.

 

I don't have terrain shadows on at all.

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I only have user aircraft and cloud shadows switched on. I don't touch the rest.

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Ok, after a couple days now of being in P3D and I can just say that I have absolutely no regrets!!!  This sim is simply beautiful!!  I still am trying to cure a small case of the stutters and I am still messing around with what settings do what to my overall experience and to the stutters/smoothness, but OMG, it is amazing how the lighting, the cloud shadows, the water, etc add to the immersion.

 

I've been contemplating this switch for a long time.  I remember being on the other side of the fence and seeing the posts about this stuff and the youtube videos saying "yeah, looks nice.  But, really?  Is it really worth it?".  Well, it's one of those things again that until you experience it, you don't know what you're missing.  And, once you do, you'll wonder how you've ever lived without and can never go back to life before.

 

I know what I'm getting for Xmas...a GTX970.  Can't wait to see what this sim can do w/ a better GPU and ultimately on a complete new system!

 

Until then though, I was afraid this move would be $$ spent on software I wouldn't be able to use until I did get that new system.  But, my performance is at least as good as FSX, if not better and the visuals/immersion factor that I have gained just blows FSX/DX10 out of the water.  Very glad I had no more patience!  :)

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Also worth mentioning how easy P3D is to install compared to FSX - the difference is huge

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Also worth mentioning how easy P3D is to install compared to FSX - the difference is huge

You know, that's been another thing I haven't mentioned in this move...Install was really easy.  Yes.  What's even better, I just imported button and key assignments from FSX too and all my hardware(MS Sidewinder Pro and Saitek yoke/throttles) all just worked.  I was expected some bumps in the road with that too but it's been a breeze.  Everything has just worked.

 

I still haven't gotten EMT(I know, I know.  What am I waiting for? :)).  So, at the moment, that's my only "hardship" is installing scenery from FSX.  I have a second machine that I have a fake install of FSX on already for making photoreal scenery with the SDK so I've been using that to install my scenery on and then copy over to my P3D machine.  So, it's not been that bad.  But, it's time consuming.  So it's again just a matter of time before I get the tool, I think.

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Your attitude is a big plus too Kevin. A lot of people got P3D and the minute they had any issues would give up. Actually, I was one of those. My first install of P3D was a disaster of my OWN doing. I consider myself pretty computer savvy so when I for P3D I immediately applied all the custom tweaks that I had applied to FSX. WRONG! I got so frustrated with the blurry stutter mess that I deleted it. After reading more and more of the success of others, I tried again only this time, I was patient and took it step by step.

 

Haven't looked back since!

 

Vic

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You know, that's been another thing I haven't mentioned in this move...Install was really easy.  Yes.  What's even better, I just imported button and key assignments from FSX too and all my hardware(MS Sidewinder Pro and Saitek yoke/throttles) all just worked.  I was expected some bumps 

 

Be careful not using the tool as it is doing things your not aware of and manually doing things may mess up your install and you would have to start over - not worth it imo

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Be careful not using the tool as it is doing things your not aware of and manually doing things may mess up your install and you would have to start over - not worth it imo

Not totally correct IMHO Richard. The tool just automates a process that can be done manually IF one has the skill. Some add-ons are more complex but most can easily be ported over. 

 

Vic

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I've been contemplating this switch for a long time.  I remember being on the other side of the fence and seeing the posts about this stuff and the youtube videos saying "yeah, looks nice.  But, really?  Is it really worth it?".  Well, it's one of those things again that until you experience it, you don't know what you're missing.  And, once you do, you'll wonder how you've ever lived without and can never go back to life before.

 

This is a very good point.  One really does have to experience the sim.  Pics and videos just cannot capture the immersive sensation.  It is a shame that too many get scared off from trying this platform, but on the bright side every release brings more people to P3D and the more P3D users, the more innovation that can come from third party vendors that can take advantage of the modern tech in P3D.

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