>If you are speaking of the DreamFleet A36, Jason (only>published by F1), which comes standard with Reality XP>avionics, the price is actually $24.95 US, and that works out>to only

Ah well, can't blame a guy for trying can you, Lou..?Just remember you owe me one when the 737 classics arrive ;). The original DF 737 is my flightsim equivalent of a childhood sweetheart.Kindest regards,

Hello everyone. I E-mailed the owner. His name is Roger. He was VERY helpful. I took the leap. I got my key within 15mins of purchase. I will let you all know how the sim is. I might get some flying time in tonight. The following, I hope will help anyone else out there that has questions. E-mail him, he will reply quicker than you think.(Time zone permitting) That alone showed good customer service and that is why I took a chance at spending this much.I am not trying to start any wars here, I just want to contribute to my fellow simmers.I will report back with a so called review for those that are interested. Here are my E-mail exchanges:Hello, I saw your new product on AVSIM and wanted to write and get more info#1 How is your customer service?#2 Why so much money?#3 What makes this product any different form other top notch sims costing half as much?#4 do you have a return policy for your products#5 How long does it take to get the reg key by mail after purchase? These are just a few questions I had due to the fact I never heard of you. There is a post on AVSIM under the gen microsoft flight sim discussion area. I don't think that too many people will buy because of the price. I spend alot of money on flight simulation, however this is something I had to address. I hope you will be kind enough to respond, showing how good your customer service is #1 to me before I spend anything. Thank you for your time. Best regards, J.MossDear Jeff My name is Roger-Alain JEDIKIAN. Neuroflight is my registered mark. You can find my name in the basis of Flightsim.com for example because I am Fligt Simulator programmer since more than 10 years. (C130 FULL COCKPIT on CD in 1998) #1 the customer service is assured normally at the latest in the 12 hours that follow the message. #2 this addon is REALLY more 10 months of work full. The price is very reasonable with regard to the cost of work in the developed countries (I am French) and to the foreseeable sales for this type of software. The problem also comes from the Dollar/Euro parity. #3 the difference is the quality and the conformity of the virtual plane with regard to the real. Look real at www.airliners.net. The totality of components has especially been created (more than 100 gauges programmed). I worked in relation with the manufacturer of this aircraft (REIMS-CESSNA) and the professional pilots of the real aircraft (Customs and Army French). #4 if the demand is justified the product is refund. #5 the key is sent in the hour that follows the purchase. There are a lot of false things that are written in the topic of the AVSIM Forum. I will take the time to answer. Thank you for your interrestKind RegardsRogerHi Roger, I want to thank you for getting back to me. The dollar / Euro > thing does hurt. Anyway, I think I will try it out. It is ashame that > negative statements fly around the forums now and then. Most I have read > have been price related in regard to your new product. I wish you and your > company best wishes for success and long term involvement in the flight > sim community.> Best regards, Jeff MossDer JeffI think the price in US Dollar is wrong. This error is caused by the paymentsite who uses a wrong currency conversion.I was going to ask it explanations and if there is a error all dollarcustomers will be refund for the difference. For me 31 euros are 39.6815$.It's not my intention to sell a product at 47$. Im very very sorry and angrytoo against my payment site. You can write this in the topic.To lateKind regardsRoger JEDIKIANParis

>Lou, according to>http://www.eu.microsoft.com/typography/EuroSymbolFAQ.mspx on>US keyboards it's AltGr+5.Er, on US keyboards, there is no AltGr key:2 On standard US keyboards, hold down either the Alt key and type 0128 on the numeric keypad part of your keyboard. The AltGr combinations listed are not implemented on US keyboard, as users expect both right and left Alt keys to have the same effect.

JeffLooking forward to your impressions. I think the owners comments about Avsim are a little unfair as no one here has posted a negative comment about his aircraft.We do not have a track record on this flight sim company and the charges are at the top end of the scale meaning that users will expect something pretty special for the bucks.Hence the caution until some rave comments arise.Peter

Hah! Peter and I were typing at the same time.Yep, never mind the price, lets hear about the quality. And the support, AND the dedicated forum. We've already got `professional` developers with a reputation who hide behind anonymity and personal e-mails. They serve as a salutary lesson to those who wish to enter the market. And while I welcome the developers comments, am I the only one who thinks his justifcation for his aircraft based on a C130 he did in 1998 to be a little `over-reaching` on the qualification front? Still, 47 or 39 bucks, it's still too rich for my taste just on what I've seen in the developers own shots. And if there were `hidden` features such as failure modes, don't you think it would have made the features list at the outset?OK, maybe it's a Euro thing, but even 39 bucks is 100% MORE than I paid for the DF Bonanza A36, and that has a working weather radar, in-game alterable configuration menu, two different soundsets, detailed and open technical support from a dedicated forum, and a developer `history` that spans many years and many different versions of FS.If price is this developers main issue, then perhaps it should not be done at all. Never mind these pathetic `race` or `developer bashing` comments. This developer has chosen to enter the payware arena. Commerce is commerce.Allcott

To a prospective buyer it shouldn't matter where the developer is from or how many people worked for how long on the project. In the end, the product itself is all that counts.There are quite a number of twins available already, most from developers who are well established, well known, and well respected; FSD, Flight1, Dreamfleet, and Aeroworx to name but a few. All these products are significantly less expensive, even if you look at the lowest quoted price which is

Well, if you don't think $47 is a bit on the high side, go ahead and make the purchase and tell us all how the plane actually is. That's all most of us are saying - we aren't willing to take that plunge without knowing it's worth the money. See, that's called "making intelligent purchasing decisions." I don't instantly open my wallet every time some new release is announced - not even for devs that I've purchased from before and who's reputations are already solid. [and the suggestion that it has anything to do with the country of origin of the dev is of course patently absurd.]

Ahhh, ok I get it this whole post is about criticising a company for poor marketing tactics...Everyone forgets that FS9 add-on market is a niche and that normal pricing rules do not always apply here. I haven't heard of other niche products were potential customers cry to mummy when they see an ad for something which is priced higher than their budget. All we have to do is wait and see if this plane is any good or not. But, I guess that this is way too much logic and level-headedness required from some people...In principle I don't think that 31 Euros is too much, but I have limited interest in these types of planes (edited to say that if it was, say, a Do228 or Fokker 50 I would have dived in already), so I will just wait for some further analysis on the merits of the product before I speak with my wallet. Like any reasonable person would do.Think about it. If noone buys it then either the price will drop, they will stop offering it or they hand out a copy to someone to do a review. In any case we will all find out sooner or later whether it is worth it or not. Some in here behave as if all they ever needed in their lives was a Cessna F406 for FS9. And now that its here it is too expensive to grab and that makes them feel in some way cheated or fooled...Regards,

>Ahhh, ok I get it this whole post is about criticising a>company for poor marketing tactics...>>Everyone forgets that FS9 add-on market is a niche and that>normal pricing rules do not always apply here. I haven't heard>of other niche products were potential customers cry to mummy>when they see an ad for something which is priced higher than>their budget. And yet you're not buying it either ;-) For a commercial developer it IS about the marketing tactics. Yes, and product quality too. The simple fact that we've been able to establish to most peoples' satisfaction here - even yours - is that it IS priced too high. Unless it offers something really special. But how will we know that it does if it is priced so high no-one buys it to tell us?Yes, it definitely IS about the marketing tactics.:-violinAllcott

You are the guy who said that comments about developer bashing are pathetic aren't you? To be honest, then, my perception of pathetic posting is the one which uses selective quotes to make a point. Which point, in addition, your post actually failed to make... Furthermore, you disregarded all the things I said which already answer your questions.Anyway, I said quite the opposite about the price and myself not bying it, so I'll just quote myself for your convenience: "In principle I don't think that 31 Euros is too much, but I have limited interest in these types of planes (edited to say that if it was, say, a Do228 or Fokker 50 I would have dived in already), so I will just wait for some further analysis on the merits of the product before I speak with my wallet. Like any reasonable person would do".So...to flesh it out a bit simpler for you, if it was some other plane which inherently interests me I would have bought it. It isn't, so I will have to base my purchase on other criteria, which are not necessarily value driven. The criteria could be , for example, some advancements in the plane which could place it well ahead of anything else and which I would like to witness, out of general interest in flight simulators. So...If it is not a plane I like to drive and it does not advance the state-of-the-art why should I waste, not merely my money, but, far more importantly, my time?I explained exactly how I imagine this whole thing will work. You ask: "But how will we know that it does if it is priced so high no-one buys it to tell us?". And I quote my PREVIOUS post: "If noone buys it then either the price will drop, they will stop offering it or they hand out a copy to someone to do a review. In any case we will all find out sooner or later whether it is worth it or not". You will know by exercising the virtue known as patience. ;)You act exactly how I described some people do. I.e. "Some in here behave as if all they ever needed in their lives was a Cessna F406 for FS9. And now that its here it is too expensive to grab and that makes them feel in some way cheated or fooled..". What do you care If this thing flops after all? And why do you HAVE to find out about it a few hours after being announced?On the one hand you make it sound as if it is reasonable for all millionaires to buy all the new Ferraris and Lamborghinis etc as soon as they hit the streets and on the other hand as if they would stage a protest when they hear about the price of a Spyker (look it up), because they never heard it before. Neither of these statements are true you know...Anyway, look at me making making comments about the value of time and having wasted to much thereof in forum ethics talks, which are, by nature, a waste of time...I say, instead, just read this into my answer: " Yeah man, the bl@#!y thing is too d#$@n expensive! I say S#$@w 'em those pathetic loosers and their a##$d marketing tactics! Where is my copy of FSX for good old XBOX?"Happy now?

OK, it looked cool and there was something inside me that wanted to know what a $47 GA addon would be like. It's pretty sweet in that it is almost impossible to tell the VC view from the 2D panel - it's probably the clearest I've ever seen (and I have most payware aircraft!). The shadows on the panel are a little dark. The sounds are very good as well. It really sounds like I am firing up a turbine. It flies very well too. Some may not like the model that much. It looks fine to me but I seldom fly from outside the plane anyway. It does seem to need a coat of wax though! There are a couple of dll files that require a modification to the cfg file to accept "old modules". Kind of annoying that we still have to deal with that. Overall, though, a pretty solid plane on par, IMO, with anything out of FDS or nonDreamfleet Flight1. A more realistic price would be between $25-$30. Still, I've spent far more on a mediocre dinner and movie. I will use this bird a lot but wish it were pressurized in the RW because I live and fly in Colorado.David

47 dollars really is getting rediculous. I cant afford that.Eric