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Guys,

I 'm looking into upgrading to P3D, and I was asking myself why they claim the sw is for training and not for gaming. In what way?

I would be using the sw for training only, but didn't understand what differences are there between, say, FSX and P3D in relation to training.

More customizable in terms of failures, weather...maybe?

I will use it to run PMDG 777

Anyone willing to explain this?

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I understand it's a matter of licence, but what does it change between the 2 in relation to training?

Nothing?

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From my point of view not much. P3D comes with others planes, has better graphics, shadows etc. all being effects not necessarily devoted to training (aside the fact they improve immersion). I don't see it being equipped with much more special training features in comparison to FSX. I use if for general GA simulation in much the same way as I used FSX before.

 

However, there are features like Sim director which I never touched, thus I would leave it to others with more experience in this respect to comment on this point.

 

Kind regards, Michael

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Basically, FSX is about 9 years old & has not been updated, apart from FSX: Steam

P3D is on version 2.5 & Version 3 is on the horizon. There have been about 8-9 versions of P3D so far, so a lot more updated than FSX. Have a look at their forums.

 

The 'not for entertainment' part of their EULA covers them, as they are working with the original 'pro' version of FSX, called ESP,  that was not available to hobbyists.

 

So, if you want a game, go to FSX: Steam. If you want to learn... P3D.

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Basically, FSX is about 9 years old & has not been updated, apart from FSX: Steam

P3D is on version 2.5 & Version 3 is on the horizon. There have been about 8-9 versions of P3D so far, so a lot more updated than FSX. Have a look at their forums.

 

The 'not for entertainment' part of their EULA covers them, as they are working with the original 'pro' version of FSX, called ESP,  that was not available to hobbyists.

 

So, if you want a game, go to FSX: Steam. If you want to learn... P3D.

 

I have been a licensed Pilot for almost 40 years, and there is always something to learn about aviation. P3D is the place for me to do that. 

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That's all well and good guys, but as far as I understand the question of the OP was which specific technical features P3D has compared FSX to better support its use as a training tool.

 

Kind regrdas, Michael

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Ok, I believe I haven't express myself in a clear way. English is not my first language so don't blame me for that. I already struggle with a language that is not mine..

I'll try to rephrase it, hoping it comes across more clearly this time.

What are the features that make P3D better for training than FSX?

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Go to their web site & read what they say!

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Wobbie, thank you!!!! You are my light!

And you must have A LOT of free time if you spend it writing such useful things on the forum.

Good on you!

I only wish I had the time you have to say NOTHING on the web.

Oh, wait a minute... maybe not.... :fool:

 

Oh, I forgot: STEAM!!

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Wobbie, thank you!!!! You are my light!

And you must have A LOT of free time if you spend it writing such useful things on the forum.

Good on you!

I only wish I had the time you have to say NOTHING on the web.

Oh, wait a minute... maybe not.... :fool:

HUH?????

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Wobbie, thank you!!!! You are my light!

And you must have A LOT of free time if you spend it writing such useful things on the forum.

Good on you!

I only wish I had the time you have to say NOTHING on the web.

Oh, wait a minute... maybe not.... :fool:

 

Oh, I forgot: STEAM!!

Native language or not, that is still a rude reply.

 

I'll put it differently - stop asking questions when you CAN FIND THE ANSWER YOURSELF by simply READING the LM website.

 

Is that CLEAR enough?

 

Vic

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Neither is approved for training. 

Either may be used as part of a device that is approved for training.

So now you can stop looking.

 

Not only that, the L-M website contains specific examples of how. So now you should apologise to the person who gave you the best advice in this topic.

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Go to their web site & read what they say!

Vic, Nobody with an honest question should have to put up with smart &@($* comments like this. This is a forum, he came for an answer to his question. He was basically told to ********** off. You tell him to quit asking questions. Who gave YOU that right. Heck, many of the questions on these forums have an answer elsewhere. That doesn't imply that they cannot be asked here. This type of response happens far too often here. I think that it's time that the moderators put an end to it. I don't blame the OP for his reply.

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I agree to you, Jimmi. Even more, as the OP obviously is new to P3D and, honestly, the Prepar3d Website is not that well-organized that the answer is obvious. You certainly can find an answer there, but then we don't need fora at all as 95 % of all question have been answered *somewhere* before.

 

To return to track, I still think Simdirector

 

http://www.prepar3d.com/product-overview/

 

(on the bottom of that page) is one of the answers as it allows setting up training scenarios. However, never having used it myself I am not in a position to comment on its use. From what I am reading on the LM forums now and then it's no much used by general users, but rather by LMs industrial customers, which is why they are quite actively developing it. The Learning Center under

 

http://www.prepar3d.com/SDKv2/LearningCenter/LearningCenter.php

 

has more info on its use.

 

Kind regards, Michael

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Vic, Nobody with an honest question should have to put up with smart &@($* comments like this. This is a forum, he came for an answer to his question. He was basically told to ********** off. You tell him to quit asking questions. Who gave YOU that right. Heck, many of the questions on these forums have an answer elsewhere. That doesn't imply that they cannot be asked here. This type of response happens far too often here. I think that it's time that the moderators put an end to it. I don't blame the OP for his reply.

Jimmy - I don't consider the answer as "smart-&@($*" - he provided an answer - the BEST answer. Who better to answer than LM - surely NONE of us here can provide a "correct" answer to the OP - only OUR opinions. So the ONLY correct answer to his question is "Go TO THE WEBSITE AND READ FOR YOURSELF". Perhaps he could have posted a link but I feel the OP's answer was the only smart-&@($* response here.

 

As to telling him not to ask questions - that was in the heat of the moment - questions are always welcomed of course.

 

Vic

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http://www.prepar3d....rningCenter.php

 

 

 

 

has more info on its use.

Michael I was just about to provide to same info but you beat me to it. To the OP. IMHO, training is most effective when the environment is simulated in the most realistic way possible. P3D has an immersion factor that is not present in FSX. Welcome to the platform sir and feel free to ask as many questions as you like.

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In reality they are both the same device,software,game call it what you will.However some are of the illusion that P3D and it's non entertainment licence gives it more kudos and are, well, living in fantasy land.I have seen one reply recently telling a poster to go "play" with his FSX and leave the serious stuff like P3D to the pros' codswallop.They are the same thing and outwith the obvious improvements in graphics etc then there is really no big difference.Those who think like this are really suffering from "emperors new clothes" syndrome.I feel the  licensing issue was purely what was on offer to Lockheed at the time,I mean were Microsoft ever going to allow another company to piggyback their product at the time when FSX was still being developed?

So train all you like in P3D,FSX,or FSX steam it's all the same.Also play all you like in any of the aforementioned, it is ALL the same.One caveat if you use P3D don't own up to enjoying/Playing it or you might lose some credibility.

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Jimmy - I don't consider the answer as "smart-&@($*" - he provided an answer - the BEST answer. Who better to answer than LM - surely NONE of us here can provide a "correct" answer to the OP - only OUR opinions. So the ONLY correct answer to his question is "Go TO THE WEBSITE AND READ FOR YOURSELF". Perhaps he could have posted a link but I feel the OP's answer was the only smart-&@($* response here.As to telling him not to ask questions - that was in the heat of the moment - questions are always welcomed of course

I agree that the best way to answer his question was to direct him to LM's site, as Michael did. I just objected to the tone of the answer. Wobbie may not have even realized how it came across. Thanks for retracting your comment.

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I agree to you, Jimmi. Even more, as the OP obviously is new to P3D and, honestly, the Prepar3d Website is not that well-organized that the answer is obvious. You certainly can find an answer there, but then we don't need fora at all as 95 % of all question have been answered *somewhere* before.

 

To return to track, I still think Simdirector

 

http://www.prepar3d.com/product-overview/

 

(on the bottom of that page) is one of the answers as it allows setting up training scenarios. However, never having used it myself I am not in a position to comment on its use. From what I am reading on the LM forums now and then it's no much used by general users, but rather by LMs industrial customers, which is why they are quite actively developing it. The Learning Center under

 

http://www.prepar3d.com/SDKv2/LearningCenter/LearningCenter.php

 

has more info on its use.

 

Kind regards, Michael

To add to what Michael mentioned, I think the snide and insensitive comments stem from those who are tired of seeing the same questions come up so often.  Granted, I am neither defending or siding with anyone here as this type of thread has been seen way too many times.  AVSIM has been around for so long, I can sympathize with new people that doing searches within AVSIM can be daunting if they don't know the right keywords to ask.  I have been on the receiving end of such rude comments in the past as well, and while I took the advice (shedding off the negative emotions that accompanied said advice), I still couldn't find clear, definitive answers so again, the new folks tend to gravitate towards just opening up a new thread and asking the question.  To be honest, there is no harm as we are all here to help out, right?

 

I am sure you could ask any vet of this forum how many times they have had to answer the same question over and over and I am sure they wouldn't be able to nail down a specific number but I am sure it's more than one and less than a bazillion.  Good advice always comes from those who are patient and willing to help, despite having to field the same questions over and over.  There are always new people joining so cut them a little slack.  If they came here, joined and asked questions, they genuinely want to hear from us and I for one would be flattered and it would only make me feel better knowing I helped someone.

 

Also consider this place as one giant "pay it forward".  We once came here with questions and we got answers, so pay it forward and do the same for those new people who ask, but at the same time, a little patience goes a long way. :)

 

-Jim

I agree to you, Jimmi. Even more, as the OP obviously is new to P3D and, honestly, the Prepar3d Website is not that well-organized that the answer is obvious. You certainly can find an answer there, but then we don't need fora at all as 95 % of all question have been answered *somewhere* before.

 

To return to track, I still think Simdirector

 

http://www.prepar3d.com/product-overview/

 

(on the bottom of that page) is one of the answers as it allows setting up training scenarios. However, never having used it myself I am not in a position to comment on its use. From what I am reading on the LM forums now and then it's no much used by general users, but rather by LMs industrial customers, which is why they are quite actively developing it. The Learning Center under

 

http://www.prepar3d.com/SDKv2/LearningCenter/LearningCenter.php

 

has more info on its use.

 

Kind regards, Michael

To add to what Michael mentioned, I think the snide and insensitive comments stem from those who are tired of seeing the same questions come up so often.  Granted, I am neither defending or siding with anyone here as this type of thread has been seen way too many times.  AVSIM has been around for so long, I can sympathize with new people that doing searches within AVSIM can be daunting if they don't know the right keywords to ask.  I have been on the receiving end of such rude comments in the past as well, and while I took the advice (shedding off the negative emotions that accompanied said advice), I still couldn't find clear, definitive answers so again, the new folks tend to gravitate towards just opening up a new thread and asking the question.  To be honest, there is no harm as we are all here to help out, right?

 

I am sure you could ask any vet of this forum how many times they have had to answer the same question over and over and I am sure they wouldn't be able to nail down a specific number but I am sure it's more than one and less than a bazillion.  Good advice always comes from those who are patient and willing to help, despite having to field the same questions over and over.  There are always new people joining so cut them a little slack.  If they came here, joined and asked questions, they genuinely want to hear from us and I for one would be flattered and it would only make me feel better knowing I helped someone.

 

Also consider this place as one giant "pay it forward".  We once came here with questions and we got answers, so pay it forward and do the same for those new people who ask, but at the same time, a little patience goes a long way. :)

 

-Jim

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I can sympathize with new people that doing searches within AVSIM can be daunting if they don't know the right keywords to ask.

Not to mention that you can't even search for P3D or FSX as they not 4 characters! lol

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I would be using the sw for training only, but didn't understand what differences are there between, say, FSX and P3D in relation to training.

 

SimDirector is a VERY powerful tool for training and more things are being developed that will further increase what one can do on the training front.

 

From the P3D learning center document:

 

 

 

SimDirector is Prepar3D's scenario creation tool designed to provide a premiere scenario creation experience from start to finish.

With SimDirector, users can now rapidly and easily create and share structured learning experiences. Teachers, instructors, and students can create lessons, instructions, and scenarios, all with dynamic feedback to the user. Developers of complex add-ons can now record and save virtual instructor lessons with their aircraft to show their users how to operate the aircraft or perform complex procedures, instead of having them refer to flight manuals or pre-flight checklists.

SimDirector has three distinct modes that play a role in the overall scenario creation workflow. These three modes are:

 

  • Virtual Instructor Mode: This mode is used to create virtual cockpit instruction (e.g. checklist procedures and annotating cockpit instrumentation).
  • Flight Instructor Mode: This mode is used to record maneuvers that can be used in the scenario for grading or demonstration purposes.
  • Preview Mode: This mode is used to preview the scenario and provides insightful debug tools that allow for monitoring the simulation and scenario's flow of execution in real-time. 

 

Cheers, Rob.

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I have found SimDirector to be most useful in a classroom/instructor based setting. It is really intended for live scoring of a predefined scenario set by an instructional designer. It is simply easy to use but doesnt have much application for a single user or pilot looking to remain proficient on systems, navigation, etc unless you are using it to self assess your skills such as on an IFR flight or advanced maneuver. 

 

To answer the OP, in my opinion, there is little to no difference in terms of single user training on P3D from FSX. It has greater capability for commercial users, but if you are looking to fly for proficiency and familiarity, it is the same thing. 

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I do apologise for being so short & gruff with my comment directing the OP to the Prepar3d site for further information. Maybe he was not aware of there being a site that could possibly answer his questions & also give him more info?

 

I was certainly not telling him that he was unwelcome here. 

As they say.... Read the manual.

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Laminar's website is but one point of reference . The OP is entitled to canvas opinions from others  who use P3D for training purposes, whatever they maybe . Not unexpectedly, the LM website promotes it's products virtues  not so much its weaknesses.

 

In my opinion OP,   P3D is not great as an IFR trainer ,as an example, no matter what the website says.

 

Reason;  the ability to reproduce side view traces of the flight path to determine how well an approach was made , how altitude was maintained what the trace of the holding pattern looks like are not as well done as Xplane.

 

OP keep asking your questions , someone sooner or later will have the good grace to reply with a useful answer.

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