geez,all that over some sim sounds?get a life Sir,please.cheersJP.

Your right JP maybe me and you could start a band... :-badteeth

>geez,all that over some sim sounds?>get a life Sir,please.>>cheers>>JP.Indeed - you must not enjoy the day as much as you could!When simulating an experience, the most logical and realistic options to have would be all senses.Most of us using FS only have the luxury of 2 available senses... sight and sound. Without the smell (oh would I lOVE to smell the jet fuel burning! :), without the touch, without taste (YUK!), all we have is SIGHT and SOUND. Therefore, to convince me better the most realistic sight and sound would greatly enhance the simulation at hand.To fuss over a simulated toliet seat (and without the SMELL sense available to us what's the point?) is probably someones desperate need for a life or an hour or so of it anyhow - but don't judge the importance of sounds for all of us in a summing statement like that, Sir!

I could agree about the sounds being loud... I'd probably lower the engine sound volume a bit. But think about it: You're PMDG. You have test pilots telling you your sounds are accurate. Who would you believe, pilots who have many hours in the real plane, or John Doe who claims he flew a few hours on a SIMULATOR of a 747? It's a matter of credibility, really. Not saying you're wrong, Dillon... But if I were you I'd do the mods myself without publicly stating the sounds are crap in every forum I can get into. Sound editing isn't rocket science. It's like the debate over Drac's opinion of the Alphasim B-52... It comes down to credibility. I'd rather believe a pilot with thousands of hours regarding what things should look/sound/act like. And if you just don't LIKE how the 747 sounds, the changes are real easy to make.Just my 2 cents.Daniel P.http://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/747400.jpgMember of SJU Photography. [A HREF=http://www.jetphotos.net/showphotos.php?userid=9004]Click Here[/A] to view my aircraft photos at JetPhotos.Net!The official psychotic AA painter. :)

Dillon, Ok, I contend that the 747 sound package sounds pretty realistic to me, and yes I have been in a real 747 cockpit during flight so I know, but this has got me thinking. Could it be that with all of the differences in hardware and software that you may not be hearing the same thing that I am hearing? Let's face it we probably have different sound cards, different speakers, different sound settings in FS itself, different software driving the sound card, different bass and treble settings, everything is probably different. I also have never thought that MSFS is very good at recreating realistic sounds anyway but in my case on my rig the PMDG sounds very much like the real thing. I have changed the sounds settings in my FS9.cfg file, I have an Audigy 2 sound card, Klipsch ProMedia 5.1 500 watt speaker system, I have the bass up fairly high so I really get the rumble of the jet engines so my FS sounds fairly good now. What do you have for your sound system just as a comparison? In my original post I was not really going after you, in general I find it funny that people will say that something is unrealistic but they have nothing to base that statement on in the real world. In this case at least you seem to have some knowledge of what you are saying. I still stand by my statement that to me it sounds fairly accurate so now I am curious as to why we have different opinions. Is it a hardware software difference, is it that you base your opinion on a level D sim and mine is based on a real flight deck, or is it that in my head I am willing to dismiss the differences and accept the PMDG's sounds as accurate? So what do you say that we discuss this and try to find out, I am curious? Philip Olsonhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/supporter.jpg

>Indeed - you must not enjoy the day as much as you could!>>When simulating an experience, the most logical and realistic>options to have would be all senses.>>Most of us using FS only have the luxury of 2 available>senses... sight and sound. Without the smell (oh would I lOVE>to smell the jet fuel burning! :), without the touch, without>taste (YUK!), all we have is SIGHT and SOUND. Therefore, to>convince me better the most realistic sight and sound would>greatly enhance the simulation at hand.>>To fuss over a simulated toliet seat (and without the SMELL>sense available to us what's the point?) is probably someones>desperate need for a life or an hour or so of it anyhow - but>don't judge the importance of sounds for all of us in a>summing statement like that, Sir! my day is still fine Sir,no need for you to worry about that.i was merely referring to the last paragraph of mr Dillollo's post,which i shall quote here for your convenience:"begin quote">In the real world I might cancel any flights on a 744 and opt>for an airline that flies the 777 for my overseas flights. If>the plane realistically is this loud that would not be a good>flight from say KMSP to London

JP I think he meant his post for me... :-lol Maybe I have run a little long on the sound issue, oh well, My statement:"In the real world I might cancel any flights on a 744 and optfor an airline that flies the 777 for my overseas flights. Ifthe plane realistically is this loud that would not be a goodflight from say KMSP to London

If the sounds are too loud, then adjust the sound slider settings in the game to what PMDG recommends. 30% engines, 50% everything else.It sounds perfect

I know about what the manual states Al but you shouldn't have to adjust your default settings for one add-on...I'm done, if you guys like it I love it. I have a few 744 DVD's, some extra money for some simulator time, and a few buddies that fly for Northwest. I'll figure this out myself. If there was more support I'd post an update but at this point I'll stick with the various FS projects I'm working on. I'll make sure a few heavies you guys will see in the near future won't have you adjusting your default setup to accommodate one add-on without a thought of anything else you might have installed... ;-)

Philip I'm basically done with this issue as it seems I'm out voted here. I'd love to discuss this further with you but what's the point. If there was more support I'd do a sound set based on my findings and find a proper mesh that would first not require you to adjust your default settings and second make it so you can clearly hear the default ATC among other things.One major thing I see different between you and me is your using speakers and I'm using headphones. I always liked using headphones when putting sound packages together as you can hear really well if there's a problem with any sound file. Speakers do a good job in covering up imperfections. If you have headphones ware them and tell me is there any difference in the loudness (the headphone speaker are right against your ears and it

I find nothing wrong with having to adjust your sound settings only when flying the queen. If thats the only way PMDG could make the sounds more realistic, then fine. I'm not stubborn.

Jeez Ted,The poor old horse died a few posts ago .... hehehehe ...On its way to the glue factory I hopeCheers,Paul BenoitKSAN

I have a question, why is it that you make it a habit to mention LDS in alomst every single post of yours when talking about sounds? What does a 767 have to do with PMDG's 747? Why not mention a 737 or even PSS's 747? Why bring up another, just talk about this sound. We all know LDS but few of us have any clue on what a real one sounds like. I will say that crx on LDS @ FL 330 is more quite than the PMDG bird by far but this means nothing does it?[h4]Randy J. Smith[/h4]

Dillon- I tend to remember (maybe) that you said you beta tested the queen no? I imagine you probably mentioned the sound "problem" to them if you did test the plane. What did they say?If you didn't beta the plane then I apologize for thinking you did- I'm just going by memory and was too lazy to do a search :)

>All I got was a sound file??>>>Dave T. .........On the lovely warm Devon Riviera and active>'FlightSim User's Group' member at>http://www.flightsimgrpuk.free-online.co.uk/You need DIVX video codec for the video http://www.divx.com