Guys,I would like to keep this on the topic of the out of memory if we can please. This is a really interesting topic.Start another thread somewhere else for ranting only or take up your other issues offline. From a factual standpoint, PMDG seems to have done and is doing everything a reputable company should be doing.

Dave - my system is hardly the latest one out there (new games like the F.E.A.R. demo are a slideshow on it) and I see none of this stuttering and/or CTD thing happening. I recall a single thread where I told a customer that his GeForceFX 5200 was not a sufficient card for running *any* 3D gaming stuff well. That is completely true - go to any gaming/hardware review site and the benchmarks will tell you that. The card is made for budget office use, not gaming/simming. Nowhere did any of us say that you need the latest FX-57/2GB/GF7800GTX to run the plane well, what we said is that you cannot expect to not have FPS/stutter issues when you're running at or near the minimums.As I said before, PMDG cannot come to your house and run a debugger on your machine to find out where the CTD is coming from - we need to be able to see it in a reproduceable fashion that happens regardless of what particular system you're on. That's the definition of system specific - "I get a CTD flying from SFO-PHX" gives us no information whatsoever because all of us can go fly that flight right now and not see a CTD.

Ryan,Are you talking to Dave or me...lol. You quoted me so I'll respond again.Had I reported this as a bug I would have been specific, but as I CLEARLEY STATED, I am NOT SURE that this memory issue is even related to PMDG.There could be a translation problem here with my wording. I have no idea who you are. Let me know if this is the case and I'll re-phrase.I'm not trying to be mean here just making sure you understand what I'm saying. :)

You're on everyone's list DillionWonder what list Im on? After the 737 release I dont trust anything I hear about how great a PMDG product is. Especially after a few weeks. Perhaps Ill buy the 747 after the second FREE patch has been released for it. Or when it starts to get toothy and a hefty discount is applied. Until then thought Ive got all I need with Level-D and FSpassengers.RegardsDennis Waggoner

Ryan I wasn't talking about you per say but a few others I don't care to mention. For the record I've seen you go out of your way to support people even myself. I have no issue with PMDG, it's some of the beta testers and customers that can be difficult to deal with...Sorry for the misunderstanding as their are some really nice people in the PMDG camp...

Randy you can take my comments as being directly geared toward you and others like you. I hated people like Ryan got mixed up in this but people like you are ridicules. I could give a crap about a list or who claims to know my intentions. Your post along with your buddy Alex proves exactly the attitudes I stated above,"their (some PMDG beta testers & customers) loyal to a point of slamming every customer that reports issues they don't deem important. They can get down right ugly with you. Some even went as far as saying people needed to upgrade their hardware to resolve thisissue as they didn't see this in beta testing (I might have to go find some examples on this one but Randy I believe your one of the main culprits in telling people their hardware is crap). I'm glade the developers are trying to resolve these issues and hopefully will listen to various customer suggestions and input. You have allot of 'Jackals' out there ready to pounce on issues they don't deem important because they either have no problemsor they want the product to stay the way it is without furtherimprovement... :-boom"You had better be happy PMDG products (the 744 specifically) is worth talking about and/or discussing because if it weren't for that I wouldn't waist my time arguing with you (actually that's about to get cut as I write this)...

Jeff, I tried the EXACT flight plan as you with the same arrival, and behold, CTD. WTH! Very weird.:(

Randy:That post is in EXTREMELY bad form. I am aware that you are not an *official* PMDG employee, however, you are an OFFICIAL beta-tester and unfortuntaely, many don't distinguish between the two. With that said, PMDG is no freeware company and with you being one of those representing PMDG, what you are doing is INSULTING one of their PAYING CUSTOMERS. ALL PAYING CUSTOMERS have purchased the RIGHT to complain as much as they want. That is the nature of business. HOWEVER, when those who represent, or are perceived to represent, a company make comments such as those you just made, it reflects VERY BADLY on that company, in this case PMDG.PMDG would do very well to advise their beta testers to keep their comments restricted to TECH SUPPORT only and refrain from making off the cuff and insulting comments.Randy, the truth is that you HAVE been quite abrasive in many of your posts, and again, as one of the most vocal beta testers for PMDG many take what you say and hold it against PMDG. It is totally beyond me how PMDG can allow their beta testers to come here and call THEIR customers "whining" and "silly" and not immediately end any association with that person. I think that the community is getting tired with these antics of Be Quiet, Be nice, and give us your credit card. If the payware developers want no more "whining", "complaining", "requests" then they should go freeware where no one has the right to complain about a free product or service. BUT, when people are paying $50 a pop then we are talking about a business, and if you WANT a SUCCESSFUL BUSINESSS, then SHUT UP and start listening to and respecting your customers...right or wrong or you will soon find that you have no customers and that too will stop any associated whining!So Randy, while your technical opinions are often respected, and your help is often appreciated, I'd advise you to lay off the PMDG customers or YOU may singlehandedly be responsible for them being disappointed with the revenues from their next release because people WILL start voting with the wallets and refusing to pay to be flogged in public.Am I wrong here?Mike T.

Hmmm Cockpit Voice Recorder Message strikes again.The chappie used to have a signature a kangaroo dog couldn't jump over - adevertised PMDG like it were his own then boom!! not only did he stop frequenting the PMDG forum but his signature took on a Sherman T Potter look and it appeared he had disassociated himself from PMDG.Perhaps he was told to remove the advertising if he couldn'r refrain from attacking.product users.Hi !:-wave Andy b

Ryan,You really must make a point of reading my post, before you reply.........and what makes you think my system requires 'de-bugging'?My system is 2GHz,CPU, radeon 9800pro with 1024DDR and FS9 running on it's own exclusive HDD.More than enough to qualify to run the '744' I would say?

Maybe PMDG should employ different Beta-Testers for future product testing following the numerous reports of crashes and bugs in V1 of their "Queen Of The Skies". Doesn't look like they're doing their job properly;)Less time posting abusive messages on forums and more time flying by some beta-testers could have avoided some of the recent problems suffered by customers of their $55 "add-on".Pete

What is amazing to me, is the number of payware products that I have purchased in the last 2 years, that had bugs in them from the day one. I really find it hard to understand how I can fly an aircraft for 1/2 hour and come up with a couple of bugs, and then when you post it somewhere, the beta test people claim they have never seen the problem and act like you are a bit whacky... Then within a day or so, 5 or 10 more people post that they are having the same issue. I feel that some of the beta testers either don't fly enough, or are not as critical as they should be of finding faults in the product, or there are not enough of them to do the job. As a for instance, one payware aircraft a couple of months ago was released, and on the first takeoff I found a problem, that later everyone said that they also found. How on earth did the beta team miss that? I think the software developers should seek out "critical people" that fly alot, with middle of the road systems, and a few less than middle of the road systems. If a beta tester isn't finding many faults with your product, and after release, faults start popping up, I wouldn't use that Beta tester again.

Sorry but you don't understand the software industry. Just because you personally find a bug doesn't mean it was never found by the beta testers. Sure there might be a few that slip through them, but in general, almost all bugs are found and reported. Now the problem goes to the programmers to try to fix said bug, that can be complicated and sometimes they overlook issues that they think are smaller to fix the bigger ones if the project is on a limited budget. I use to work in the software industry, and we always got the blame for "why didn't these guys catch that?" when it was the programmers and producers who in the rush to get it out, overlooked as many reported issues as possible.

The 'long and short' of it is...............If you bought a new car and it kept breaking down, wouldn't you want your money back?If this software will not work with the minimum system that PMDG specified then, it should either be 'held back until it IS fixed or, released with a warning that it isn't FLYABLE!Releasing software that is not useable to the majority of users is unrealistic and fraudulent.I shal not be buying from PMDG again. This experience has soured my once, praising judgement.Level-D brought out a perfect package with their 767 and still rates the best in my mind.Buck for buck it's by far the best value and for them to offer your money back if not satisfied has really put them at the top in customer loyalty. I would not hesitate to buy more from them but, PMDG you really HAVE LYNCHED US THIS TIME.Dave T. .........On the lovely warm Devon Riviera and active 'FlightSim User's Group' member at http://www.flightsimgrpuk.free-online.co.uk/

Flight1's ATR-500 was one of the few complicated aircraft that hardly had any issues.Way to to Fight1 ATR-500 Team.Absolutely.. my fav..aircraft.. none has taken over this... Its the king of the Hill.