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F1 GTN Avionics Package for BE55 and C310 ?

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Hi Folks,

 

Proud new owner of the MilViz B55 and C310 - my introduction to MilViz - looking at the F1 GTN Avionics addons...

 

(now I'm really looking forward to the King Air as I'm pretty impressed with what I've seen)

 

If I only own a GTN650 - which plane can I install it in ??? Someone mentioned that only one of the two planes will support just that unit... I can't seem to find any pictures or a better description about the Avionics Packs... I've also surfed the MilViz forum on their site and it seems there were some bugs initially reported with the Avionics packs - have they all been resolved ??? 

 

If someone has a good screenshot of the F1 integrations - it would be greatly appreciated...

 

Thanks...

 

Regards,
Scott

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Hi Scott,

this is how my GTN 750 looks like in the B55 and 310R

 

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I have not the GTN 650, however I know from other threads that yes, it can be integrated as well. Once you installed the avionics pack, all you have to do is adding the following information to the desired variants (textures) in your aircraft.cfg file:

 

Cessna C310R:

model=GTN750_GNS430
panel=GTN750_GNS430

 

Beech B55:

model=GTN750
panel=GTN750

 

Replace GTN750 with GTN650 as needed.

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Hi Owl,

 

Thanks so much...

 

Kat from MilViz had sent me an email and stated the GTN650 only works in one - he/she did not mention which one - I am assuming from your images that it is the B55 that works however if I don't own the GTN750 - I'll have to stare at a blank screen... I'm not sure that will work for me... I was truly hoping that the MilViz addon pack would offer some options with various configurations especially due to the added expense... I'm not sure I'm into the GTN enough for $130.00 to purchase both... I haven't purchased any GTN yet - maybe I should consider Mindstar pack but as understand it - the Mindstar GPS is missing some features - like terrain and roads... In a perfect world RXP would update their product for P3D because in my book their unit was absolutely perfect...

 

I may just go Bert's route losing the 3D gauges...

 

Much to consider and really appreciate the input...

 

Regards,
Scott

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Kat from MilViz had sent me an email and stated the GTN650 only works in one - he/she did not mention which one - I am assuming from your images that it is the B55 that works however if I don't own the GTN750 - I'll have to stare at a blank screen... I'm not sure that will work for me... I was truly hoping that the MilViz addon pack would offer some options with various configurations especially due to the added expense... I'm not sure I'm into the GTN enough for $130.00 to purchase both... I haven't purchased any GTN yet - maybe I should consider Mindstar pack but as understand it - the Mindstar GPS is missing some features - like terrain and roads... In a perfect world RXP would update their product for P3D because in my book their unit was absolutely perfect...

 

Scott,

for what I have read, the GTN650 only works on the Cessna 310R and, if memory does not fail, only coupled to the GTN750, which obviously requires you to have both GTN versions. Instead, you can use only the GTN750 and the default GNS 430, as you can see in my shot above. Again, for this to happen, you need the GTN750, the optional avionics pack from Milviz and the following setting for the chosen repaint in your aircraft.cfg file:

 

model=GTN750_GNS430

panel=GTN750_GNS430

 

The B55 should only support the GTN750. Not 100% sure, however.

 

I'm not sure I'm into the GTN enough for $130.00 to purchase both... I haven't purchased any GTN yet - maybe I should consider Mindstar pack but as understand it - the Mindstar GPS is missing some features - like terrain and roads... In a perfect world RXP would update their product for P3D because in my book their unit was absolutely perfect...

If you decide to go for the GTN, but are uncomfortable to spend $ 130 for both (which was also my case), I definitely suggest you opt for the 750 version. I don't have the 650 and honestly I don't miss it nor plan to buy it anytime soon. Finally, as you probably know, you can have any GTN also as 2D panel on any aircraft you like.

 

Also, take a look to this thread:

http://www.avsim.com/topic/448319-addon-packs-for-the-mv-c310r-and-the-mv-b-55/page-3?hl=%2Bmilviz+%2Bcessna+%2Bgtn750#entry3049820

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I totally agree with Bert's comment--if you can swing it, get the 750 first. I guarantee you will not regret it at all. It opened up a whole new world of navigation and flying for me. I find it hard to go back to the "older" Garmins installed in my other aircraft.

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Absolutely, first & foremost the 650 doesn't have charts! Also the ICAO key-in will drive you batty.

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Hi Folks,

 

OK - thanks for all the feedback - much appreciated !!!

:smile:

 

Regards,

Scott

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Absolutely, first & foremost the 650 doesn't have charts! Also the ICAO key-in will drive you batty.

 

Absolutely right, but, for the sake of truth: charts in GTN750 only cover US, not the rest of the world. Also, no matter how updated your database is, many approaches are obsolete or, in some cases, inaccurate. I have countless examples of RNAV approaches, especially outside US, which are missing waypoints or other vital information if compared to the Navigraph counterpart.

That said, GTN750 is a great tool. I recommend it and I am sure Scott will enjoy it, provided he is aware of its limitations. I think it is a must have for all those who use GA aircraft. Instead, I have several objections about its integration in business jets.

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OK cap'n, I still maintain that the 650 doesn't have charts and the ICAO key-in is a PITA :smile:

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OK cap'n, I still maintain that the 650 doesn't have charts and the ICAO key-in is a PITA :smile:

 

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Ah, so much wonderful confusion. For the record:
 
1. C310R has three options:

  • GTN750 + GNS430 (coming in update soon)
  • GTN750 + GTN650
  • GTN650 + GTN650

2. B55/E55 has two options:

  • GTN750
  • GTN650 + GTN650

If you own the GTN650, you can have two for the price of one, COM1/NAV1 and COM2/NAV2.

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Hi Folks,

 

Thanks one and all !!! I truly appreciate the interest and help... I have a couple planes that will only fit the GTN650 (2D Mode) - hence my desire to get that unit - I understand it won't have the approach plates - but - is the data entry truly THAT bad ??? I'll have to see if I can find a video on the data entry for the 650 as I've never really seen it in action before... I'm working on my real world IR and all I have is a GNS430W and use my iPad with ForeFlight for the approach plates - which - fortunately has a connection to MSFS (not sure it works with P3D yet)...

 

Hi Bill,

 

If MilViz puts that on their web site for the product it would be a great deal of help to the customers - then again - it might be there and I just missed it... Big help there - sir - as the product page seemed a bit vague... Thanks as well...

:smile:

 

Regards,

Scott

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Hi Bert,

 

Hah - as in real life too...

 

I see Garmin has a free PC trainer for both the 650 and 750 - downloading now - for a little first hand experience before making my decision... Hopefully the F1 model is close...

 

Taking advantage of the last of the sales as well - just picked up the A2A Cherokee and a few ORBX scenery's... I've dropped a bundle over the last few weeks to finally migrate off of FS9... It's a whole new world...

 

Hi Jim,

 

Is that your Bonners Ferry ??? Just noticed it - looks superb and like your work...

 

Happy New Year eveyone...

 

Regards,
Scott

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Is that your Bonners Ferry ??? Just noticed it - looks superb and like your work...

 

I thought you knew that? The hazards of signing an NDA I guess... Thanks. I sold out almost 2 yrs ago, I actually bought my own GD airport if you can believe that! :smile:

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Hi Jim,

 

Hah - my head's been totally in FS9 until a few weeks ago - I knew you were doing some work for them but I didn't know what... I recognized your fuel pumps in a screenshot since we have discussed them at length before in the past... I also knew you built Bonners Ferry for FS9 and it was near your home... I only recently started looking at the ORBX site with real interest and noticed that scenery... Had to buy your own work - LOL - too funny...

 

Hi Folks,

 

Ahh - I see what you mean about data entry on the 650 now... It is much easier on the 750 - but still - as Bert mentioned the 650 is still considerably easier than the 430 that I'm used to... Still undecided - but - none of this stuff is on sale so there is no rush...

 

Thank you again - one and all... 

 

Regards,
Scott

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Data entry on the 650 is a good deal easier than the 430..

Yeah, entering data from a touch screen beats knob twiddling, that's for sure and certain! :dance:

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Yeah, entering data from a touch screen beats knob twiddling, that's for sure and certain! :dance:

 

Hi BIll,

 

Good to see you active here!

 

Any chance that this means an updated C310 is on the way?

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Updated in what way?  How do you improve on greatness?  (sorry... but I couldn't resist...)

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Updated in what way?  How do you improve on greatness?  (sorry... but I couldn't resist...)

 

Some more modern looking paint schemes?

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external?  Probably not going to happen.  We are looking at revisiting this model in the future to update it's systems and tech to our more modern systems...  (while optimizing it further...).

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I was actually hoping the existing engine gauge problems (posted on the support forum) would be fixed in an update. :wink:

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external?  Probably not going to happen.  We are looking at revisiting this model in the future to update it's systems and tech to our more modern systems...  (while optimizing it further...).

 

More appealing liveries produce greater sales penetration. And the 310 has some history behind it as well. Sky King's Songbird, made famous by TV. And the US Army and USAF U3s.  I had the pleasure of riding on several U3 flights, some Army, some Air Force. And check out the Wiki page for images of more modern looking liveries for the C310. Click on any photo you see there and you can use the right > and left < icons to scroll through some typical images.

 

Think increased sales....

 

I'd bet the liveries you provide are period correct to production, but to the demographics of FS aficionados I'd bet they look quite aged. Look at the recent Ron Attwood N286D repaint for the BE55 for sales inspiration!  Why are there not more user repaints? Perhaps I've only looked at repainting the BE55 and found the layered kit intimidating. For the C310 do you have a simplistic non-layered paint kit?  

 

Who in the real world would update the systems in a C310 to today's standards and keep the original paint?

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