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I76700k OC - ASUS 5 ways optimization or Old School BIOS digging?

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There are plenty of videos on YouTube that show how to OC z170 motherboards with 5WO by ASUS. Has anyone had a success with this software or doing OC old way via Bios is a still way to go?

 

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Its work very good but you need a very good CPU to get nice results.

But anyway Its the best atoumatic overclocking tool out there.

The Old school bios optimation is the way to go if you ar experianced , start with the 5way you get a good base to work with , there is some drawbacks like mem and bclk that the 5way not deal with

It dont test the best bclk strap contra mem strap for example .

I have playing with differnt setups, best so far is around bclk 120 for the mems.

I good sim base is 4.8ghz and 3600 to 3900 cl16 uncore 4.6.

After 4000mhz the memcontroller get very loaded, mostly the Skylake manage up to 4300mhz but not strong.

 

Keep in mind that Its only approx 10 % that get 4.8ghz or higher with 5way less then 1.4v vcore, if you ar unlucky to get a bad CPU the 5way have no mercy.

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I have used it for over a year or more without any problems. Clocked my 5930k to 4.4 easily and safely.

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I would say I am happy with my result. 4.7 ghz rock stable. Peaks at 50 degrees C. Could probably get a bit more out of it with more efficient cooling (air cooled). Impressed with the result using the 5-way method.

 

Edit: using a 6700k.

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I'd agree with the rest of the lads. My Skylake system is still in boxes at the moment, so I may be being premature, but I'd say Asus auto overclocking has really come of age.

 

In regard to my old Ivy Bridge system, what put me off the auto overclocking was the fact that it would overclock too far. At the time, it occurred to me that Asus should introduce more control over the process.

 

The great news is that Asus have done just that with 5 way optimization. You can set a temperature limit, a frequency limit or a voltage limit. You can opt for all cores the same, or per core overcloking. In addition, you have control over the stress tests run. You can enable AVX and also increase the time the stress tests are run for.

 

Sounds perfect to me. If of course you're an enthusiast like Westman, with a great deal of expertise in regard to overcloking, then yes you will dive in and tweak manually, but for the rest of us 5 way optimisation is all we need I'd say. 

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My ASUS/I7 system overclocked to 4.7GHz with a couple of clicks. I've never looked back and never had any trouble with the system.

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I just bought the i76700k with the Asus 170 PRO board, does OCing make much a difference these days in P3D when the boost is 4.2 and? If I jack it up too 4.7 (have a Corsair 110 GTX Rad) make a huge difference?

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I just bought the i76700k with the Asus 170 PRO board, does OCing make much a difference these days in P3D when the boost is 4.2 and? If I jack it up too 4.7 (have a Corsair 110 GTX Rad) make a huge difference?

Well that's 12% and given that overclocking is pretty much linear you would see a 12% increase in performance. Not a simple as that though, you may see an increase in smoothness. So at 27 frames per second you'd get 30.

 

Up to you to decide if you'd like that. Point is it's free performance though, and relatively easy to achieve.

 

Also... there's no point buying and installing a Corsair H110 if you aren't intending to overclock. There are numerous cheaper solutions on the market that can handle stock frequencies with ease. You have installed an expensive and very capable H110 though, so why not grab that free perfomance? :smile:

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Late to the party as usual.  I tried the 5-way and it worked well however I was a little uncomfortable with two things: 1. It ran cpu voltage higher than I like pushing, it ran at or near 1.4v  2. it was a variable overclock like a turbo boost as opposed to a steady clock.  The 5-way did take my i7-6700k to 4.7ghz however.  I opted to just set 4.5Ghzs manually and constant and I do this with 1.28v  I may play with the 5-way again, not sure.  The other thing the 5-way does is run 1.31v steady even at low clock, I rather run my 1.28v.

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Late to the party as usual.  I tried the 5-way and it worked well however I was a little uncomfortable with two things: 1. It ran cpu voltage higher than I like pushing, it ran at or near 1.4v  2. it was a variable overclock like a turbo boost as opposed to a steady clock.  The 5-way did take my i7-6700k to 4.7ghz however.  I opted to just set 4.5Ghzs manually and constant and I do this with 1.28v  I may play with the 5-way again, not sure.  The other thing the 5-way does is run 1.31v steady even at low clock, I rather run my 1.28v.

 

 

Hi Gary, you do know that if you don't like the CPU voltage, if it's too high for your tastes, that you can set a voltage limit. Set the voltage to the max you are comfortable with and the auto overclock won't go above.you can set a temp limit if you like as an alternative.

 

1.42 is I believe the max that Asus regard as safe. Intel say 1.45 I recall. Don't quote me.

 

It will be variable, as it's with adaptive voltage. Run something demanding and it'll clock to the max, potter around the desktop and it'll throttle back to save power.

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It will be variable, as it's with adaptive voltage. Run something demanding and it'll clock to the max, potter around the desktop and it'll throttle back to save power.


 

Thanks Martin, I am  getting too old and too lazy  to fart around with this stuff.  PC tweaking was fun for me the first  8-years or so but now I find it mostly a bother.  I would not sleep at night at 1.4v, call me a wimp.

 

I tried the 5-way again after posting yesterday.  It gave me 4.5Ghzs at 1.41v.  That was after the second round, first round it gave 4.3Ghzs.  My sense is the bios is finicky on this board.  I uninstalled Ai3, reset optimal bios and manually tuned back to 4.5Ghzs at 1.28v

 

I should probably have reset the CMOS before tweaking but as I say, old and tired.  Taking the side off my case and pushing a button sounds like work. :>)

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 It gave me 4.5Ghzs at 1.41v.

 

 

That is high for 4.5. I'd expect 4.7 - 4.8 at that voltage.

 

Have you tried updating the BIOS? There are usually tweaks in this regard with each release. After all, Skylake is a very new platform.

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Have you tried updating the BIOS? There are usually tweaks in this regard with each release. After all, Skylake is a very new platform.



 

I've read lots of problems with this board relating to memory errors. Then there is the whole Skylake bug thingy.  Yes most recent ASUS bios installed 1602, without looking.   If I do an F5-set optimum  bios settings, then save, reboot takes long.  Takes long to turn off out of the bios.  Then can take long to turn off out of Windows.  I boot into Windows a couple of times and then things seem good.  Use the Ai3 thing and same process all over again, slow to turn off from bios, then slow out of Windows, then seems ok.

 

When it was new (2-weeks ago), Ai3 tuned 4.7Ghz @ ~ 1.39v or so.  That is why yesterday it was weird when AI3 only tuned 4.3 then 4.5 and pumped the heck out of the volts.

 

Personally, I just do not feel good about software doing the overclocking for me.

 

You're right, if I was going to burn 1.4v it would be for 4.7ghz not 4.5. 

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Something weird going on there Gary.

 

Is it the latest Ai Suite from the Asus website? It's version 1.01.30. Don't rely on the outdated version on the disc that came with the board.

 

I always update all of the drivers, BIOS, everything, from the Asus support site.

 

 

Just found this...

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/ASUS/comments/3tfojf/asus_z170ar_motherboard_do_not_update_bios_past/

 

Seems quite a few are indeed having issues. Some are going back to version 1101. Glad I opted for the Z170-A. Although having said that, it's not built yet so who knows.

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Well...I see that my thread is pretty much alive :-)

Just a little bit update then. I tried to use ASUS 5WO, but with no luck. The software tried to find base clock, memory settings and many other aspects that I didn't want to change. I had a few BSODs even though AI Suite said that I passed the test.

 

Returned back to classic manual BIOS digging. 4.7 with 1.35v. easily passed both Realbench and AIDA64 1hours tests. The temperature has never gone higher than 61C with heavy overcast and ~300AI in Heathrow area. Very stable, even though H110 cooler is quite noisy thing.


Gary,

 

Just read this and do as they say. Very well written and easy to understand for non-technical guys like myself. Try to stay with 1.32 - 1.35 voltage for 4.6 - 4.7 with 0.02 safety margin.

http://rog.asus.com/454262015/overclocking/guide-overclocking-core-i7-6700k-on-the-maximus-viii-extreme/

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Is it the latest Ai Suite from the Asus website

 

All works fine with my board and I am sure that  yours will be fine as well Martin.  There are some peculiar  traits that I am experiencing that I hope a future bios update will fix.

 

My biggest annoyances 1. long bios to OS handoff- typically 30-seconds.  2. Using "ASUS Diagnostics" test for  "RTC" results in "RTC fails accuracy. "

 

Came with 1302 bios installed, currently running 1602.

 

Using:  ASUS AI Suite 3 V1.01.30  Past tense, uninstalled using manual tuning now.

 

I was playing around a bit more with stress testing and such, (I even pushed the CMOS Reset button).  Failed the Rog "RealBench" test@ 4.5GHz @ 1.28V  (It went into screen saver  during the test, not sure if this contributed to the fail.).  I set 1.29v adaptive, (with LLC, on auto- measured volts CPU Z is 1.312v under load and .832v @ idle @ 4.5GHZ ).  Stable 1-hour under RealBench, max temp once 70c.

 

I would expect Post to OS handoff to be 6-second range and of course no RTC errors under diagnostics.


 

 


Well...I see that my thread is pretty much alive :-)

 

Somebody had to kick it in the pants. :>)  Didn't mean to hijack the thread, thought it was  pertinent to your original post though marginal at times. :>)

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Always overclock in the bios directly.

 

I used this guide:

 

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18692676

 

I got 4.7GHz stress test stable with 1.38v

 

No, sorry, I disagree. Many use Asus 5 way optimization with great success. Asus auto rules are now very good.

 

Better advice would be try it and see how you go. Some experienced overclockers use 5 way optimisation as a basis for further tweaking.

 

 

 Just a little bit update then. I tried to use ASUS 5WO, but with no luck. The software tried to find base clock, memory settings and many other aspects that I didn't want to change. I had a few BSODs even though AI Suite said that I passed the test.

 

 

Well yes, that's the whole point. Why didn't you want to change those other parameters?  Not sure why you wouldn't want optimum memory settings etc.

 

When you said "tried to find", did you allow it to do so, or did you try to interfere with the process somehow? 

 

You can configure the stress tests it runs to run for longer, up to many hours. Better results would have been achieved setting "Total Stress Test Duration" to a longer test. The default setting is only valid for 80% of CPU's.

 

 

 

Returned back to classic manual BIOS digging. 4.7 with 1.35v. easily passed both Realbench and AIDA64 1hours tests. The temperature has never gone higher than 61C with heavy overcast and ~300AI in Heathrow area. Very stable, even though H110 cooler is quite noisy thing.

 

 

Well at least you are happy, that's the main thing. Most swap out the noisy Corsair fans for some nice Noctua fans.

 

 

Just read this and do as they say. Very well written and easy to understand for non-technical guys like myself. Try to stay with 1.32 - 1.35 voltage for 4.6 - 4.7 with 0.02 safety margin.

 

http://rog.asus.com/...s-viii-extreme

 

 

Useful link in case 5 way optimization doesn't work out for me. So thanks for that.

Using:  ASUS AI Suite 3 V1.01.30  Past tense, uninstalled using manual tuning now.

Did you uninstall Ai Suite using the special Asus tool. Some have had problems after uninstallation, hence the tool from Asus.

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I use the 5 way for my 5930k but I do not use the automaitc section. I use the TPU section where you can set many variables manually. When you do it this way you can then save that OC setup and use it when you want.

 

Example; I will have a certain OC setup for P3D so when I go to use P3D I go back into DIP5, select TPU, select the OC setup I made for P3D and activate it. When done I can revert back to default clocks just as easy. Several OC setups for different games works best for me.

 

This is cool because I can mess with CPU core voltage and CPU frequency ratio on the fly, even while in the sim and see how it goes.

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Yes I have that on my present Ivy Bridge system. It doesn't actually save the overclock settings in the BIOS. As you say, it reverts back to stock.

 

You have to set the overclock profile each time. I prefer a permanent overclock, plus adaptive voltage so it throttles back when not required.

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I used this guide:

 

Thank you for the link Gordon.  I love those UK guys, I used them for my 17 2600k but was unable to find them on this chip.  I set it up like they say and will stress test later.  5-mins RealBench no problem.  4.5GHz@1.312v as measured in CPU Z (1.320v actual in bios setting).  I guess I am seeing vDroop now as under load volts drop to 1.28V in CPU Z. 5-mins stress 67c one core max temp as measured on Real Temp GT.

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Did you uninstall Ai Suite using the special Asus tool. Some have had problems after uninstallation, hence the tool from Asus.


 

Just now. :>) Thank you Martin.  Only thing that was running that normal uninstall did not remove was ASUS fan control but the cleaner removed that.

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Just a little bit update then. I tried to use ASUS 5WO, but with no luck. The software tried to find base clock, memory settings and many other aspects that I didn't want to change. 

thing.

Gary,

 

 

 

I've just remembered... if you didn't want 5 way optimization to alter base clock, then you should have hit the TPU stage 1 button instead of TPU stage 2.  :smile:

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I've just remembered... if you didn't want 5 way optimization to alter base clock, then you should have hit the TPU stage 1 button instead of TPU stage 2.  :smile:

 

Hmmm...I thought that TPU Stage 2 is for those folks with liquid coolers. As I have H110, I chose TPU2 consequently. Anyway, happy with my set-up now, we'll how this will go on a longer time frame. 

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