February 9, 201610 yr Perhaps someone can shed some light for me. Im a relativly new user of XPX, but I do get the overall structure of scenery layers. That said, when 10.45 RC released on steam, my airports have trees everywhere and I cant figure out why. My scenery packs.ini file has all the downloaded airports at the top, and all the associated libraries near bottom third. The Treelines package is practically at bottom just above the mesh so why are the trees showing up everywhere? Its been at every airport it seems so its more a global issue rather than one airport. But havnt visited every airport. What kind of custom airports have you downloaded? Here is what I think has happened: lets say you have an airport KSJC as a custom airport. The maker of this custom airport never had exclusion zones (for trees), because up to now the "global airport" of KSJC had some, and suppresed the trees. Now with the new 10.45 the custom airport "KSJC" is suppressing the "global airport KSJC" - so those exclusion zones get suppressed as well, and the trees pop back up. Do me a favour and post the content of your Scenery_Packs.ini and also tell us which airport you see "trees" at? Thanks, Jan
February 9, 201610 yr Here it is! 1000 version SCENERY SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EDDM Munich/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EIDW Dublin/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Global Airports/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EBBR Brussels/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EDDF Frankfurt/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EDDT Berlin Tegel/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EDLP Paderborn-Lippstadt/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EGBB Birmingham/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EGKK London-Gatwick/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EGLL Heathrow/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EGPF Glasgow/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EGSS London-Stansted/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - LEBL Barcelona/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - LEMD Madrid/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - LFMN Nice Cote d Azur X/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - LFPG Paris CDG/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - LFPO Paris Orly/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - LPFR Faro/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - LSGG Genf/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KJFK_v2 with 1000+ Animations for X-Plane 10/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KLAX - Los Angeles/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KLAX - Los Angeles International/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KLAX - Los Angeles Orthophotos/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KROA - Roanoke-Blacksburg Regional/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KSAN - San Diego/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KSEA Demo Area/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KSEA Demo Terrain/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KSFO - San Francisco Cable Cars/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KSFO - San Francisco V2/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KSFO - Traffic Golden Gate Bridge/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KSFO - Traffic Oakland Bay Bridge/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/LOWI Demo Area/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/nobeaches/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/nobeaches Europe/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/OpenSceneryX/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/zzz_hd_global_scenery3/ John Wingold
February 9, 201610 yr I think my views are not working after this update, can't use the mouse right click and view stupid. Ryzen 5 1600x - 16GB DDR4 - RTX 3050 8GB - MSI Gaming Plus
February 9, 201610 yr Perhaps someone can shed some light for me. Im a relativly new user of XPX, but I do get the overall structure of scenery layers. That said, when 10.45 RC released on steam, my airports have trees everywhere and I cant figure out why. My scenery packs.ini file has all the downloaded airports at the top, and all the associated libraries near bottom third. The Treelines package is practically at bottom just above the mesh so why are the trees showing up everywhere? Its been at every airport it seems so its more a global issue rather than one airport. But havnt visited every airport. The trick to remove those trees is to create another scenery surrounding your airport (airport included ) with world2xolane http://world2xplane.com/ and give it a lower priority in the scenery ini i7 4777k 4.6mhz, 32gddr3, GTX 760 4g sci ,Saitek x52,yoke and quadrant, 60 Led . SSD
February 9, 201610 yr Here it is! 1000 version SCENERY SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EDDM Munich/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EIDW Dublin/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Global Airports/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EBBR Brussels/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EDDF Frankfurt/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EDDT Berlin Tegel/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EDLP Paderborn-Lippstadt/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EGBB Birmingham/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EGKK London-Gatwick/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EGLL Heathrow/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EGPF Glasgow/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EGSS London-Stansted/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - LEBL Barcelona/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - LEMD Madrid/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - LFMN Nice Cote d Azur X/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - LFPG Paris CDG/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - LFPO Paris Orly/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - LPFR Faro/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - LSGG Genf/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KJFK_v2 with 1000+ Animations for X-Plane 10/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KLAX - Los Angeles/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KLAX - Los Angeles International/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KLAX - Los Angeles Orthophotos/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KROA - Roanoke-Blacksburg Regional/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KSAN - San Diego/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KSEA Demo Area/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KSEA Demo Terrain/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KSFO - San Francisco Cable Cars/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KSFO - San Francisco V2/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KSFO - Traffic Golden Gate Bridge/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KSFO - Traffic Oakland Bay Bridge/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/LOWI Demo Area/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/nobeaches/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/nobeaches Europe/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/OpenSceneryX/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/zzz_hd_global_scenery3/ Ok, here is what I would do: Take a text editor, and move the line with the SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Global Airports/ to the second line from the bottom, just over the HD SceneryV3. Also delete the SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EDDM Munich/ line - this airport is now contained within the "global airports" and you don´t need the Aerosoft version anymore (this is just housekeeping on your .ini file, it won´t change anything that you see in X-Plane). Otherwise it looks good. Cheers, Jan The trick to remove those trees is to create another scenery surrounding your airport (airport included ) with world2xolane http://world2xplane.com/ and give it a lower priority in the scenery ini Well, that is certainly overkill, complexity-wise. It is sufficient to add a simple exclusion zone type "forest" to your scenery, that can easily be done with WED in a few clicks. Cheers, Jan
February 9, 201610 yr Otherwise it looks good. Jan, I had noticed the "Global" line after posting and moved it already. I will remove the "Munich" line. I had read something about that before, but hadn't understood exactly the what and why of the situation. Thanks, John John Wingold
February 9, 201610 yr Jan, I had noticed the "Global" line after posting and moved it already. I will remove the "Munich" line. I had read something about that before, but hadn't understood exactly the what and why of the situation. Thanks, John The low-down on the EDDM subject is that I have talked to Aerosoft and they let me use their "Aerosoft EDDM" to make an improved version. Initially Laminar Research just swapped my version for theirs - so the "Aerosoft EDDM" was my improved version. But since this version contains (just like the original) no custom objects, it fulfills the requirements to be uploaded as a "global airport", which I did. Once my EDDM was part of the global airports, there was no requirement to also have the Aerosoft EDDM anymore - Laminar Research since removed the "Aerosoft EDDM", it is effectively a duplicate of the global airport version. If you delete your "Aerosoft EDDM" files from the Custom Scenery folder, it will not be downloaded on a future X-Plane update anymore - just like some of the other "Aerosoft" airports that I improved since then (EDDH, EDDV, EDDK, EDDS,...) Cheers, Jan
February 9, 201610 yr Can you post your scenery_packs.ini file and we can then take a look. It sounds like something is out of order. What kind of custom airports have you downloaded? Here is what I think has happened: lets say you have an airport KSJC as a custom airport. The maker of this custom airport never had exclusion zones (for trees), because up to now the "global airport" of KSJC had some, and suppresed the trees. Now with the new 10.45 the custom airport "KSJC" is suppressing the "global airport KSJC" - so those exclusion zones get suppressed as well, and the trees pop back up. Do me a favour and post the content of your Scenery_Packs.ini and also tell us which airport you see "trees" at? Thanks, Jan Ok In addition to Johns, here is mine. Couple example airports I went to are CYVR, LSZH. Also dont know why it takes forever to load up an airport sometimes. 10 min. sometimes even 30 min +. It appears its hung and is not responding but if I leave it, it will eventually turn up. SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Brussels_ground/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/EBBR tdg/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/EHAM Schiphol/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/LSGG tdg/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/CYVR tdg/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/A_Honolulu_PHNL_v1.3/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/IT-LIRF Roma Fiumicino Leonardo Da Vinci v3.03/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KMIA Miami International Airport/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KSEA_Scenery_Pack/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/LFPG tdg/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/NZAA Auckland XP10 Conversion (ISDG)/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/CYTZ Toronto Island Airport (ISDG)/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/VHHH Hong Kong International Airport/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/YMML Melbourne (ISDG)/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/YSSY Sydney Kingsford Smith (ISDG)/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/zCanada CYTZ Toronto Island ON/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/FFDG-PANC Ted Stevens Anchorage Intl/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/CYYZ Toronto Pearson Intl (ISDG)/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Salt Lake City KSLC/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/ruscenery/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EDDF Frankfurt/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EDDM Munich/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EDDT Berlin Tegel/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EDLP Paderborn-Lippstadt/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EGBB Birmingham/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EGKK London-Gatwick/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EGLL Heathrow/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EGPF Glasgow/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EGSS London-Stansted/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EIDW Dublin/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - LEBL Barcelona/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - LEMD Madrid/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - LFMN Nice Cote d Azur X/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - LFPO Paris Orly/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - LPFR Faro/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/CYUL_Scenery_Pack/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/LSZH_Scenery_Pack/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KSFO - San Francisco Cable Cars/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KSFO - San Francisco V2/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KSFO - Traffic Golden Gate Bridge/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KSFO - Traffic Oakland Bay Bridge/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KLAL - Lakeland (airshow version)/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KLAX - Los Angeles International/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KLAX - Los Angeles Orthophotos/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KOSH - Wittman Regional (airshow version)/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KPDX - Portland International/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KPHX - Phoenix Sky Harbor Intl/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KSAN - San Diego/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Chicago O'Hare KORD 1.01/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Chicago Orthophotos 1.01/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/CYOW_Scenery_Pack/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KBOS v10/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/LSZB_Scenery_Pack/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KSEA Demo Area/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KSEA Demo Terrain/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/LOWI Demo Area/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/XAirportScenery/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Global Airports/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/w2xp_America/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/w2xp_Europe/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/w2xp_world-models/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Wide Taxiway Markings Library Replacement/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/3D_people_library/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Vehicle Library Extension/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/BS2001 Object Library/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/RE_Library/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/CDB-Library/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/The_Handy_Objects_Library/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/ff_library/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/R2_Library/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/MisterX_Library/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/zzz_Treelines_Farms_Europe_v2/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/zzz_Treelines_Farms_North_America_v2/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/zzz_Treelines_Japan_v2/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/OpenSceneryX/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/zzz_hd_global_scenery3/ CYVR LSZH I7-14700k 64gb 6000Mhz DDR5 ASUS z690 ROG STRIX Gaming RTX 4080 Super,
February 9, 201610 yr Ok Dave, your .ini looks ok sequence-wise. It does support my theory though - you have custom airports for both LSZH and CYVR. Do me a favour and change the line: SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/CYVR tdg/ to SCENERY_PACK_DISABLED Custom Scenery/CYVR tdg/ (This will temporarily disable loading of the custom CYVR scenery). Now check if you still get trees at CYVR. If you DON`T then you have three solutions: 1.) Live without the custom airport 2.) Add exclusion zones to the custom airport (the author should have done it, its his fault!) 3.) Remove the offending "tree scenery", most likely its one of the w2XP ones, the Treelines, or even the hd global scenery. You can _DISABLE them like you did with the CYVR to test that. If the trees are still there, I am out of ideas for this remote-troubleshooting, but adding an exclusion zone to your airport (import the apt.dat and .dsf in WED, add exclusion zone, export again) should do the trick. Jan
February 9, 201610 yr please read the developers blog regards xplane 10.45 new exclusion airport feature, this will let you understand what is going on and how to address it. http://developer.x-plane.com/2015/12/a-new-way-to-exclude/ pay close attention to note .2 on the warning section. TDG custom scenery is excluding global gateway CYVR which contains the exclusion zones for the trees. So contact TDG to update its scenery or update it for yourself via WED tu put the missing exclusion. Manuel Merelles
February 10, 201610 yr Ok Dave, your .ini looks ok sequence-wise. It does support my theory though - you have custom airports for both LSZH and CYVR. Do me a favour and change the line: SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/CYVR tdg/ to SCENERY_PACK_DISABLED Custom Scenery/CYVR tdg/ (This will temporarily disable loading of the custom CYVR scenery). Now check if you still get trees at CYVR. If you DON`T then you have three solutions: 1.) Live without the custom airport 2.) Add exclusion zones to the custom airport (the author should have done it, its his fault!) 3.) Remove the offending "tree scenery", most likely its one of the w2XP ones, the Treelines, or even the hd global scenery. You can _DISABLE them like you did with the CYVR to test that. If the trees are still there, I am out of ideas for this remote-troubleshooting, but adding an exclusion zone to your airport (import the apt.dat and .dsf in WED, add exclusion zone, export again) should do the trick. Jan please read the developers blog regards xplane 10.45 new exclusion airport feature, this will let you understand what is going on and how to address it. http://developer.x-plane.com/2015/12/a-new-way-to-exclude/ pay close attention to note .2 on the warning section. TDG custom scenery is excluding global gateway CYVR which contains the exclusion zones for the trees. So contact TDG to update its scenery or update it for yourself via WED tu put the missing exclusion. Thanks for both your inputs. Didnt realize XPX scenery is this complicated. Anyhow I disabled CYVR as mentioned and the trees are gone BUT an entire town has encroached on the airport complete with its own trees. Doesnt look much like an airport save for the runway strip. If CYVR custom is disabled this means this is a XP global airport and thats what it gives me? TDG seems to be decent scenery. He does CYYZ which is pretty nice and no trees on that one. Looks like I have to attempt to learn about doing this exclusion zone thing. BTW any reason why it takes 10-30+ min to load an airport sometimes? Its not responding, but if left it will eventually show up. CYVR LSZH I7-14700k 64gb 6000Mhz DDR5 ASUS z690 ROG STRIX Gaming RTX 4080 Super,
February 10, 201610 yr Hi Dave, the reason why CYYZ has no trees is that the underlying "basic scenery" probably has no trees in that area - hence none show up, even though an exclusion zone might be missing. I think I may post a short tutorial on how to add an exclusion zone to existing scenery in a few hours - this problem is coming up again and again and again, and it´s really only a 5 minute fix... So stay tuned ;-) The long loading times is most likely due to you loading a lot of detailed scenery. Especially the w2xp scenery and the HD mesh add a lot of memory usage, and this will increase your loading times. The only solution is to get a SSD or to disable those sceneries. Cheers, Jan
February 10, 201610 yr I think I may post a short tutorial on how to add an exclusion zone to existing scenery in a few hours - this problem is coming up again and again and again, and it´s really only a 5 minute fix... So stay tuned ;-) Thanks. That would be great. Might be a good idea to perhaps post it in a separate thread title for all to see rather than embedded in an existing one? Perhaps it will get pinned. CYVR LSZH I7-14700k 64gb 6000Mhz DDR5 ASUS z690 ROG STRIX Gaming RTX 4080 Super,
February 10, 201610 yr Moderator I think I may post a short tutorial on how to add an exclusion zone to existing scenery in a few hours - this problem is coming up again and again and again, and it´s really only a 5 minute fix... So stay tuned ;-) That would be incredibly useful, thank you. Please let me know if you do and I will pin the topic, as I'm sure others will find it useful.
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