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Hello to everyone.

 

I'm going to buy my new computer exclusive for FSX and Prepar3d.

So, i read a lot, in a Portuguese Forum and heres in AvSim.

 

I would like to know what's your opinion about this:

 

- CPU: intel i7 6700k - 379€

- Mobo: Msi Z170A Pro Gamer - 150€

- RAM: Gskill RipjawsV DDR4 2800 (2x8GB) - 83,95€

- GPU: Gigabyte GTX970 Windforce 3x 4GB DDR5 - 339€

- MidTower: Corsair Carbide 100R Silent Edition - 58,70€

- Power Supply: Seasonic M12II 620W Evo 80+ - 96,95€

- SSD: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB Sata3 - 152€

- HDD: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200rpm - 62,95€

- DVDRW: Asus DVDRW 24x - 12,95€

- Monitor: Dell S2715H 27" LED - 279€

 

It costs aprox. 1630€. I have a budget of 1800€.

 

I have some doubts:

 

1st: Buying GTX980 6GB instead GTX970 i will have more fps in the FSX?

2nd:i7 6700k with Z170 Mobo or 4790k with z97 Mobo? I will not going to overclock it for now. 

 

Thanks to all of you.

 

Ricardo Carpinteiro

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Go for the 980 - that first one you list is weak - power supply I would go with more power thats just me - as for the rest looks ok 

 

Not sure on 6700k vs 4790k have not looked into that - just going to assume newer is better but do your home work on that

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I think he can run Prepar3D fine with a 970. It's anything less powerful when P3D starts to struggle (I'm looking at you P3D clouds). Plus he might go overbudget with a 980.

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I think he can run Prepar3D fine with a 970. It's anything less powerful when P3D starts to struggle (I'm looking at you P3D clouds). Plus he might go overbudget with a 980.

 

I have a Titan X and still can use more on 5,000$ dual loop water cooling system - 980 ti would be a better choice why throw good money on something that will need upgrading and it will just my opinion of course

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Thanks for your advices.

 

I've been looking for GTX980 and it blow up my budget. Gtx980 it's 370€ more expensive than GTX970.

New built with GTX980 costs 2000€

 

In FPS what % of increase do you think i will have with GTX980?

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Thanks for your advices.

 

I've been looking for GTX980 and it blow up my budget. Gtx980 it's 370€ more expensive than GTX970.

New built with GTX980 costs 2000€

 

In FPS what % of increase do you think i will have with GTX980?

 

I have no clue honestly. In normal 1920x1080 resolution gaming, I've heard from several members that the GTX 970 is solid for P3D. If you want to go beyond that, then perhaps a 980 or 980 Ti will suit you better.

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Stay away from MSI MoBo - Go with Asus or Biostar - WAY more Dependable !! - and Better Performance ! - Johnman B)

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Thanks for your advices.

 

I've been looking for GTX980 and i blow up my budget. Gtx980 it's 370€ more expensive than GTX970.

New built with GTX980 costs 2000€

 

In FPS what % of increase do you think i will have with GTX980?

 

Its more about a fluid flight panning without stutters - nice AA - its not about fps - blow budget now or not be happy with your gpu that you could have put that money towards a real video card - your choice 

Stay away from MSI MoBo - Go with Asus or Biostar - WAY more Dependable !! - Johnman B)

 

 

Asus all the way but I wasnt going to go down that road

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Asus Z170 Pro Gamer is a good choice?

 

  • Not an alternative of ROG Series of Board - but not a bad choice - this would be better in your price range - maybe you can find it cheaper somewhere I did not do that search

http://www.amazon.com/MAXIMUS-VIII-HERO-LGA1151-Motherboard/dp/B012NH1SK8/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1455295100&sr=1-1&keywords=asus+rog+1151&refinements=p_72%3A1248879011

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Richard is correct that many opt for higher wattage PSU's. However, if on a budget, rest assured that 620 watts from a decent manufacturer will do it. Make sure you pay attention to the volts supplied on the 12 volt rail, or rails. Make sure it's adequate fro your card. Should be from Seasonic.

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Martin,

 

This PSU was recommended by a friend of mine. He told me that it should be enough to my system. But do you recomend other?

 

Thank you

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the gtx 970 is not weak and will do just fine if your on a budget if not of course the newer is the better, im running one (strix OC edition) and lets say with the worst weather and clouds ever it performs like its a sunny day!

the rest of your components are great , although if you go for a 750 psu it wont hurt.

 

as for the processors to get a good idea look up both the i7 6700k & 4790k and watch some videos im sure you will end up with a choice.

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For a good idea of how much power your proposed system would use, take a look here: http://outervision.com/b/TMnQF2. I've assumed an air cooler for your CPU and a total of 4 fans in the case (cooler + case fans). You can edit the page if this is not correct. The Seasonic is an 80 Plus Bronze-certified PSU and, whilst OK, for just 100€ you could get an EVGA SuperNova G2 650W - 80 Plus Gold certified, very quiet, well reviewed and a 7-year warranty. Higher efficiency means less heat in your case and more stability.

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970 weak? Sheesh - not everyone has a budget to get a 980 Ti...

 

970 is a powerful middle to high end card - it will be more than enough for FSX! Maybe not for 4K but fine with 2k or 1080p

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Hello again! Thank you all for your advices.

 

I think i have the final configuration. I don't buy any monitor for now, i have an LG 24" IPS LED at home, and i want to build multi-monitor (3 max). So i will keep that LG for now and later i upgrade with time for the 3 monitors.

 

Final configuration:

 

- CPU: intel i7 6700k - 379€

- Mobo: Asus Z170 Pro Gameing - 146€

- RAM: Gskill RipjawsV DDR4 2800 (2x8GB) - 83,95€

- GPU: Asus GeForce GTX970 Strix OC 4GB DDR5 - 369€

- MidTower: Corsair Carbide 100R Silent Edition - 58,70€

- Power Supply: Seasonic M12II 620W Evo 80+ - 96,95€

- SSD: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB Sata3 - 152€

- HDD: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200rpm - 62,95€

- DVDRW: Asus DVDRW 24x - 12,95€

 

Total price near 1400€.

 

It's missing the cooler. What do you recommend?

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take a 6600k, you'll save money for an good corsair Hydro cooling ;)

 

here is my spec

 

Processeur - Intel Core i5-6600K
Carte mère - ASUS Z170 PRO Gaming
Alimentation - Corsair RM750i 80PLUS Gold   
Mémoire - G.Skill Trident Z 16 Go (4x 4 Go) DDR4 3000 MHz CL15   
Carte graphique - ASUS GTX970 STRIX

 

with that rigs, P3D run btw 45-60fps on big airport with PMDG adds

 

6600k on Z170 Pro Gaming can Oc very easily to 4.6-4.8 on turbo mode with only 1.32v and +-50°c with an old Corsair Hydro H100

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Cooler.... depends what you like...  if you don't want a huge cooler in there consider a smaller Corsair series "liquid" cooler.  H50 is great for a budget: http://www.corsair.com/en-us/hydro-series-h50-quiet-cpu-cooler

 

Otherwise the Noctua D15's are still the high end of air cooling:

http://noctua.at/en/products/cpu-cooler-retail/nh-d15.html

 

Just make sure the Noctua or any air cooler fits over your ram heat spreaders ok....

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Martin,

 

This PSU was recommended by a friend of mine. He told me that it should be enough to my system. But do you recomend other?

 

Thank you

 

 

Yep, as I said in my first post... 620 watts is fine, perfectly adequate. And Seasonic are a dependable make.

 

However, as "vortex 681" rightly said... you can indeed get a gold certified, 700 watt PSU by EVGA with a 7 year warranty for very little extra money. It's also fully modular and EVGA are a reliable make. Gold certified as opposed to bronze won't save you anything noticeable on your electricity bill though, the savings are small but for hardly any extra money you'd be daft not to.

 

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/750w-evga-supernova-750-g1-full-modular-80plus-gold-psu

 

 

It's true though that many enthusiasts go for higher wattage. I went for 850 watts, but I did that not because it was essential,  I did it because I was considering potential future upgrades. Also I could afford it.

 

The other consideration is that PSU's tend to be at their most efficient at approximately 50% of max load. Another reason why somewhat higher wattage is advantageous. But don't get hung up on that, it's no big deal, the savings on your electricity bill are minuscule.

 

The other consideration is single rail or multi-rail. Seasonic PSU's are single rail, as are the likes of Corsair, EVGA etc. On the other hand, Enermax, Antec and some others are multi-rail. I prefer multi-rail as there's less chance of a failed PSU damaging other components in your system. But again, a single rail PSU is just a capable as multi-rail, and they do have other protection mechanisms other than OCP. So don't get too hung up on that either, it's personal choice.

 

It's missing the cooler. What do you recommend?

 

 

I'm not a fan of all in one water coolers. You might be and that's fine. For me, the risk of leaks and pump failures puts me off. 

 

My cooler of choice is the amazing Noctua NH-D15S. Don't be put off by only one fan, there's only two degrees of difference between one fan and two.

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Hello,

 

I bought almost all parts used via ebay. My configuration is following:

 

- Corsair Obsidian 550D

- Asus de luxe with i7-4960 oc with 4,5GHz

- 32GB Quad channel RAM DDR-3, 2100 ( 32 is an investment in hopefully upcoming 64-bit simulation)

- GTX 980 (before I tried with 2xGTX970) with three 22" and one 40" screens

- 1 SSD Sata-3 (120 GB) for OS

- 1 SSD Sata-3 (500 GB) for flight simulation (only P3D v3.1)

- 1 HHD for Backup (usually off)

- PSU Platin 860 Watts (stability, short circuit protections, possible extention: second GTX)

- 4x Noctua 140 fans

- 2x Noctua 120 fans

- DVD

 

Cooling the CPU with Kraken X60 with 2 Noctua 140 fans instead of the standard fans.

 

Result:

- Absolutely quite system, runs now more than one year without any problems even in the summer with high room temperature.

- P3D settings with high till max values, expecially for seneries

 

Yako

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I have a Titan X and still can use more on 5,000$ dual loop water cooling system

 

That's because there is no direct correlation between the amount of money a person spends and the performance realized. :smile:

 

As an example: If I buy a GTX980 titan for $1000 it will not perform better than the same GTX 980 titan if I only paid $500.

 

Also you spent $5k of which ~$2.5k were  on case, mods and cooling. While looking super kool, and offering entertainment of assembly (which adds personal value), offers little in performance gain.

 

Not to rain on anybody's parade, however I wanted to add for perspective.  

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While looking super kool, and offering entertainment of assembly (which adds personal value), offers little in performance gain.

 

 

Way wrong - My cpu never goes above 35 degrees and my Titan X never goes above 26 degrees after two hours of flying in P3D so your math does not add up  :wink: this all adds up to way more performance 

 

Heat is the biggest killer of performance so looks to me that I have taken care of that issue resulting in better performance which cant be denied 

 

I do agree that a 980TI would be the better value especially if you want two of them

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Guys, you ara fantastic. Thanks for every tip.

 

I will make a stupi question (i think). I have in my living room a 50" Philips LED FullHD and i'm thinling to buy a new 55 or 60". Can i use this LED and conect it to the new computer? FSX or Prepar3d will have any problema with this Philips?

 

I don't know the correct model, i'm away of my country because i work in Angola, but i'm sure that it's a LED FullHD.

 

Regards,

Ricardo

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Way wrong - My cpu never goes above 35 degrees and my Titan X never goes above 26 degrees after two hours of flying in P3D so your math does not add up  :wink: this all adds up to way more performance 

 

Heat is the biggest killer of performance so looks to me that I have taken care of that issue resulting in better performance which cant be denied

 

Not sure I agree. Heat is only a problem if it's actually limiting how much your components can be pushed. A modern CPU running at 60 degrees C shouldn't perform any worse than the same CPU at 30 degrees C. The only time the performance is significantly affected is if the CPU starts to throttle because of high temperatures and this would typically only start to happen when approaching about 100 degrees C. Here's an interesting article about the effect of temperature on Intel CPU performance - https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Impact-of-Temperature-on-Intel-CPU-Performance-606/.

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Heat will reduce signal integrity and increase "soft errors" ... but the purpose of water/air cooling is to allow higher voltage and and higher clocks vs. air only cooling.  You can extend OC more by going with water chillers but need to deal with condensation.  Beyond that is peltier cooling, liquid nitrogen, liquid helium, etc. ... all provide more heat exchange so that higher voltages can be used and hence high clocks.

 

So yes, improving cooling of components will increase OC potential and higher performance.

 

As far as cost, not really debatable ... the "value" of that OC advantage is per individual.  But it is an advantage.  I spent about $750 on my dual loop but doesn't look anywhere near as nice as Rich's setup. 

 

Cheers, Rob.

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