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Looking for a plane (GTN, fast, full VC shadows)

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I am looking for a plane that is more suited for IFR flights with the GTN 750. I am flying the RealAir Legacy now but it feels a bit odd to fly like that in a plane like this. I also tried the A2A Cherokee but that one feels even more odd. I simply have the feeling these aren't the kind of planes you would use a GTN in and do IFR flights with full procedures. I would like it to be a low wing plane and a fast one too. And, this might be a bit odd, I also would like to have full VC shadow support like in the A2A Cherokee (which is the reason I actually tried that plane with the GTN). And unlike the Legacy in which nothing on the panel gives shadows. Those missing shadows actually made me think about looking for another plane. O, and I like a good view out of the window too. ;) (The last two points rule out the RealAir Duke already, I think, which might have been an obvious suggestion.)

 

Shorter version of this question might be: which faster planes have full 3D integration for the GTN 750 and are suited in real life for IFR flights with published procedures? (If they offer full shadows and a good outside view is something that will become clear soon enough. ;) )

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Jeroen, not sure why you are not seeing shadows in the Legacy (the Duke has them too)

 

 

 

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I do of course see those shadows but look for instance to the left of the 2nd screenshot: the shadows below the landing gear switch, the flaps switch, etc. are all baked into the texture of the panel and not real. They are there no matter what and they obviously don't move. And this goes for all the knobs and things that stick out. Don't know if you have for instance the A2A Cherokee but there each and every knob and switch and whatever has a real shadow which shows up even on the floor depending on the direction of the light. I simply like that and I simply don't like the Legacy's baked in fake shadow solution. It probably is of no importance at ALL to most simmers but to me it makes a difference. ;)

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Hey j and v, are those shadows only in P3d. I'm running FSX-Steam and love it. I have just built a brand new PC . Maybe I should go out and buy another SSD and put P3d on it and see what it is all about :)

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Hi Jeroen,

 

Yeah - in real life - GTN's are still few and far between - I wish my RXP GNS would work in P3D... I'm at airports all the time and I have yet to see one... If you've flown A2A and RA - you might be disappointed with anyone else... They are the top shelf guys in this arena... The A2A Comanche is relatively fast and extremely well done - I like it a great deal... I don't know if you follow A2A - but they just purchased an Aerostar which is one of the fastest piston twins around ( a personal favorite ) and they tend to model what they own... I like the MilViz C310 and B55 - I also plan on picking up their King Air 350 when it comes out... I also fly full procedures often...

 

Regards,

Scott

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Yes you are correct they don't move, makes no difference to me when considered against the overall quality of the aircraft, FSX and P3D are all about making compromises.

Don't know if I would give up Realair quality for something so minor and there are very few fast IFR capable low wing GA aircraft to choose from in the first place, once you discount the likes of Carenado for obvious reasons.

 

First world problems Jeroen  ...... :smile:


Hey j and v, are those shadows only in P3d. I'm running FSX-Steam and love it. I have just built a brand new PC . Maybe I should go out and buy another SSD and put P3d on it and see what it is all about :)

 

No, those shots were from FSX in DX10 using Steve's Fixer

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Yes you are correct they don't move, makes no difference to me when considered against the overall quality of the aircraft, FSX and P3D are all about making compromises.

Don't know if I would give up Realair quality for something so minor and there are very few fast IFR capable low wing GA aircraft to choose from in the first place, once you discount the likes of Carenado for obvious reasons.

 

First world problems Jeroen ...... :smile:

 

Yeah, well, you're right... I spend the afternoon looking at reviews, video's and flying with the Cherokee and Comanche but in the end I went back to the Legacy LOL It has EVERYTHING I like and want, great view out of the window, great panel, great instruments, great AP, great performance, great sounds, it only doesn't have knobs shadows... geez... what was I thinking... ;) Thanks for bringing me back to my senses all.

 

Still would be nice if RealAir can add them: if A2A can do it (and others too) I see no reason why they can't. But to stop flying the awesome Legacy for this... seriously...

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Still would be nice if RealAir can add them: if A2A can do it (and others too) I see no reason why they can't. But to stop flying the awesome Legacy for this... seriously...

 

I suspect we all get PO'd about some minor detail or other at some point... :wink: I've almost given up on a wonderful plane about an aesthetic issue myself (I just can't stand the default panel/instrument bezel textures in the A2A C182, but found a great replacement).

 

That said, I still think it's a good idea to pester Rob and Sean for a shadow-enabled VC option...

 

Tym

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I ...have full VC shadow support like in the A2A Cherokee (which is the reason I actually tried that plane with the GTN). And unlike the Legacy in which nothing on the panel gives shadows. Those missing shadows actually made me think about looking for another plane. O, and I like a good view out of the window too. ;) (The last two points rule out the RealAir Duke already, I ... )

Well now I am pi55ed! I just realized that my Lancair V2 doesn't have VC cockpit shadows ...I knew something was off but I couldn't put my finger on it!

 

I don't know about a refund but I sure as the dickens want my shadows!

 

Cheers,

 

Chas

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I suspect we all get PO'd about some minor detail or other at some point... :wink: I've almost given up on a wonderful plane about an aesthetic issue myself (I just can't stand the default panel/instrument bezel textures in the A2A C182, but found a great replacement).

 

That said, I still think it's a good idea to pester Rob and Sean for a shadow-enabled VC option...

 

Tym

 

 

The Legacy offers unrivalled numbers of options. You can customise just about everything. But on shadows we made a decision., If we had included knob and switch shadows we would have been inundated with complaints. The knobs on the Legacy are long. We do not control shadows. We can only enable them on gauge parts or not. The shadows on the knobs looked hideous. If we offered an option we would have had to make and compile two separate mdls. The package is already very large for a GA aircraft. We bend over backwards to offer everything under the sun and still people complain! 

 

We made a judgement and we're sticking with it. The switch and knobs look ghastly with shadows and we made an aesthetic decision. This incredibly minor issue is being blown out of all reasonable proportion by about 0.01% of customers!

Well now I am pi55ed! I just realized that my Lancair V2 doesn't have VC cockpit shadows ...I knew something was off but I couldn't put my finger on it!

 

I don't know about a refund but I sure as the dickens want my shadows!

 

Cheers,

 

Chas

 

 

It DOES have cockpit shadows, in p3d and in FSX with DX10. It does not have shadows on knobs though. 

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I suspect we all get PO'd about some minor detail or other at some point... :wink: I've almost given up on a wonderful plane about an aesthetic issue myself (I just can't stand the default panel/instrument bezel textures in the A2A C182, but found a great replacement).

 

That said, I still think it's a good idea to pester Rob and Sean for a shadow-enabled VC option...

 

Tym

 
"Pester"
 
 
to trouble or annoy (someone) with frequent or persistent requests or interruptions.
"she constantly pestered him with telephone calls"
synonyms: badgerhoundannoybotherharasstroubleplague

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The Legacy offers unrivalled numbers of options. You can customise just about everything. But on shadows we made a decision.,

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We made a judgement and we're sticking with it. The switch and knobs look ghastly with shadows and we made an aesthetic decision.

 

I understand and respect your choice as a developer/artist, and I really don't see why the comments below are directed at my posts at all. All I did was acknowledge that many simmers (including me in this case) tend to obsess about tiny details until they consider the big picture. I then politely (and, in a rather unambiguous way, lightheartedly) pointed out that we may ask you to consider an option to include switch/knob shadows. Nothing more than that. I do agree on the package size consideration.

 

 

 


This incredibly minor issue is being blown out of all reasonable proportion by about 0.01% of customers!

IT D O E S have shadows!!!!

 

We can argue semantics, but in the context of this thread, this is rather clear that the reference was to switch/knob shadows. You are passionate about your work and you got annoyed by nitpicking, I get that. I'm in a completely different line of work, but I do get defensive when faced with what I believe is undeserved criticism.

 

I'll say it again: I have great respect for your work, and I have praised it many times in many places. I disagree with you about this particular choice, and so did another customer, but that's it, an opinion. I'm not making a big deal of it. If my comments came across as demanding, that was not my intention, and I do apologize.

 

Best regards,

Tym

 

BTW, I'll certainly keep using the product and won't ask for a refund  :wink: (I may of course be wrong, but I believe the reference from another poster was a sarcastic take on the subject).

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"Pester"

 

 

to trouble or annoy (someone) with frequent or persistent requests or interruptions.

"she constantly pestered him with telephone calls"[/size]

 

 

synonyms:

 

badgerhoundannoybotherharasstroubleplague

 

OK, now something has definitely got lost in translation. English is not my first language, but I was convinced the tongue-in-cheek intention would convey well (nobody would call their own requests "pestering" if they were dead serious about them, would they?)...

 

All I can say is I had no intention of causing any aggravation, I apologize if I did. I now see how it may have come across, I did not mean it to...

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OK, now something has definitely got lost in translation. English is not my first language, but I was convinced the tongue-in-cheek intention would convey well (nobody would call their own requests "pestering" if they were dead serious about them, would they?)...

 

All I can say is I had no intention of causing any aggravation, I apologize if I did. I now see how it may have come across, I did not mean it to...

 

Ok no worries. I'm unclear whether the other post was serious or a joke - so we'll assume it was a joke. I appreciate what you say. The Legacy has tons of options that are to be enjoyed. I hope you enjoy them.

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The last two points rule out the RealAir Duke already, I think, which might have been an obvious suggestion.)

 

Are you saying that the TD doesn't have VC shadows, because I sure see them. Please clarify.

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Are you saying that the TD doesn't have VC shadows, because I sure see them. Please clarify.

 

Nearly all addon aircraft, including our own, have VC shadows if you enable them in Steve's DX10 fixer. You can also force them with a line in FSX.cfg. Some VCs have a virtual "wall" which blocks out shadows but you can force them with the Fixer. There is a guide available for Steve's fixer here:

 

www.nzfsim.org/index.php?dsp=dload&fname=DX10_HowTo.pdf

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Yeah - in real life - GTN's are still few and far between - I wish my RXP GNS would work in P3D

 

The prime reason why I have not migrated from FSX.  I would still love to see a quality updated add-on early Beech Baron aircraft for FSX with only steam or vacuum gauges.  Gained my multi-engine and instrument ratings in an early model Baron but cannot duplicate that.....  So the MIlviz Baron B55 with a pair of RXP GNSs is a must have for me in a sim and not available as such in P3D.

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Per the original suggestion of the Carenado PC-12, it does have cockpit shadows on the knobs and whatnot and they look like carp... carp sticks... sticks of carp.

 

Just flew it in P3D V3.0 and still trying to warm up to this aircraft. Goes back in the hanger, comes back out after someone says something nice, goes back, etc, etc, etc.

 

Frank, I would KILL for an updated Carenado Baron that was accurate, had better lighting, and accepted Henry's turbo mods. Insta-buy!

 

And I am sure the MilViz updates are right around the corner as well - have both the B55 and C310, and since the P-38 was just updated it is only a matter of time.

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Well, well, well, what did I start... I feel a bit bad for perhaps spoiling the weekend for a few of you. As I said I am already back in the Legacy, wondering why the heck I was so obsessed with those shadows. I certainly wasn't trying to blow things 'out of all reasonable proportion'. I simply noticed something, tried to look for something else but didn't find a solution I liked and that's it. Still would love shadows for knobs as I have them in other planes but I won't stop flying because I can't get them.  :wink: So sorry for getting carried away like I did and hopefully this is the end of all this. I understand and of course respect the reasons why they were disabled. Heck, I am even considering buying the Duke anyway simply because somehow it seems a plane that is more suited for a GTN 750.  :wink: 

 

Are you saying that the TD doesn't have VC shadows, because I sure see them. Please clarify.

 

You might want to read a topic before posting in it, Jay.  :P See my earlier posts for the answer to your question.

 

Nearly all addon aircraft, including our own, have VC shadows if you enable them in Steve's DX10 fixer. You can also force them with a line in FSX.cfg. Some VCs have a virtual "wall" which blocks out shadows but you can force them with the Fixer. There is a guide available for Steve's fixer here:

 

www.nzfsim.org/index.php?dsp=dload&fname=DX10_HowTo.pdf

 

Thanks for the tips but take note this is the P3D forum and so we get shadows out of the box without the need for cfg edit and utilities!  :P

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I appreciate what you say. The Legacy has tons of options that are to be enjoyed. I hope you enjoy them.

 

Once again, I'm sorry about the misunderstanding. And you can be sure I will enjoy the heck out of this plane just as I did with the original version in FSX! :smile:

 

I found some shots from my first proper flights in the Legacy back in 2012, nobody obsessed about shadows back then... :wink: With all the new bells'n'whistles, it's sometimes easy to lose sight of the things that really matter. I spent more than a hundred hours in this plane in FSX, and I expect to spend even more now that it's back in P3Dv3...

 

Regards,

Tym

 

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