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Unless you have the configuration files provided to you by an airline, it won't do anything.

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Not as far as I know. I believe you have to log in to an airline's system with it or otherwise be provided with the data by them. Given that the data in question will be airline (and even airframe) specific and worth multiple thousands of pounds, I can't imagine it is going to be just hanging around for unauthorised use.

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Note the note:

 

*** This application requires configuration files, performance and other databases, available separately. Contact your Boeing representative for details. ***

 

I doubt most of you all have a Boeing rep.

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Be great if it was available in such a way for PMDG. That app looks amazing to use if you have the necessary data.

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I doubt most of you all have a Boeing rep.

 

I actually contacted Boeing to inquire about purchasing options– and they even bothered replying to me:

 

 

 

 
Dear Mr thepilot,
 
Thank you for your enquiry. Unfortunately we are not able to sell our software solutions to individuals.
 
Kind regards,
 
 
Samantha Solomon

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Dear Mr thepilot,
 
Thank you for your enquiry. Unfortunately we are not able to sell our software solutions to individuals.
 
Kind regards,
 
 
Samantha Solomon

 

 

"We are not able"? Got to love corporate speak. 

 

It's their app, so what she really means is that, "we are unwilling".  :-)

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We actually use it and I will say it's expensive. Boeing actually manages the configuration files and kick them out based on the regular AIRAC cycle. We use it as a back up for W&B and performance data on our Boeings when ACARS is unavailable. I believe it's too expensive for flightsim use. The config files are not available through the internet, I have to load them to our EPUBs server so that our Boeing guys will receive them during their EPUBs update. 

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Great to hear back someone has tried to ask mr Boeing! That app looks amazing to use and would enhance the simulation by far.

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"We are not able"? Got to love corporate speak.

 

But at least they responded. :smile:

 

 

Everybody is free to download the demo version from the App store. You'll notice just by that this is a lot more than only some basic number calculation. Of course it would be great to have some selfmade performance file for flight sim that doesn't need to be 100% accurate.

 

On a related note, LIDO used to have a version like this where you could buy a set 40 airports (including updates) and you got to use their actual pilot app (mPilot). Bought it for 20€ or so some time ago.

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Better than paying for topcat!!!

I think the app and configuration files would be a little more than the 18 Euros I paid for TOPCAT in May 2010.
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That app looks amazing to use and would enhance the simulation by far.

 

How so?

 

Apart from the fact that it's on an iPad, the calculation process and data that you get back isn't going to be substantially different to what TOPCAT will give you.

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Apart from the fact that it's on an iPad, the calculation process and data that you get back isn't going to be substantially different to what TOPCAT will give you.

 

Correct yes, but i should say for ME. TOPCAT does use similar feautres but nothing like that app, that app shows you the airfield and runway and predicts your LDR for situational awareness. its little thibgs like that. AND also you can use the fuel part and W&B unlike TOPCAT

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AND also you can use the fuel part and W&B unlike TOPCAT

I don't see anything about fuel. What "fuel part" are you writing about? I see a tab for Weight and Balance but no detail. How is it different from TOPCAT?

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Our pilot's have been using it (iPad OPT) for a while now, as has practically every other airline around the world.

 

OPT can be loaded onto any EFB (toughbook, iPad, aircraft mounted EFB). 

 

It really isn't amazing stuff, from a simming perspective. You'd really only use it for v speed calculation, not much more than that. The inbuilt NGx FMC computation more than adequately handles this.

 

From a airline perspective, I guess it's a huge leap in efficiency. Although it costs lots of $, I would say the spend is worth it... improved safety, so long as good data is entered.

 

What we simmers need is an OPT-like app for both iPad and Desktop. TOPCAT is an effective OPT - So all we need is an iPad version. A TOPCAT OPT to go with Navigraph's iPad Lido chart's would meet a simmer's needs easily.

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Correct yes, but i should say for ME. TOPCAT does use similar feautres but nothing like that app, that app shows you the airfield and runway and predicts your LDR for situational awareness. its little thibgs like that. AND also you can use the fuel part and W&B unlike TOPCAT

TOPCAT calculates landing distances too, not graphically of course but clearly nevertheless. TOPCAT has fuel and weight & balance calculations too.

 

I understand your desire to use what real pilots use but the data for this app is not available to you so there isn't much point wishing for it. Maybe someone will eventually produce an app that has sim data and an interface that looks like this.

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understand your desire to use what real pilots use but the data for this app is not available to you so there isn't much point wishing for it. Maybe someone will eventually produce an app that has sim data and an interface that looks like this.

 

It would be great if someone picks this up and replaces TOPCAT. Be great to have something new like that Boeing OPT i'm sure every single person out there would buy it.

 

Only can dream :)

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You're welcome to dream, Vernon. In the meantime TOPCAT does a good enough job for practical purposes at a very reasonable price, considering it covers a number of airframes.

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Correct yes, but i should say for ME. TOPCAT does use similar feautres but nothing like that app, that app shows you the airfield and runway and predicts your LDR for situational awareness. its little thibgs like that. AND also you can use the fuel part and W&B unlike TOPCAT

Unfortunately, until a sim actually simulates realistic ground friction and true aircraft ground run performance, the runway performance data will be useless.

 

 

 


I don't see anything about fuel. What "fuel part" are you writing about? I see a tab for Weight and Balance but no detail. How is it different from TOPCAT?

There is a fuel box under the weight and balance section that calculates fuel into the weight and balance calculation.

 

This app is actually free, Boeing just charges you for the service. We send them our updated basic weight data and they combine this with airport analysis. This app is driven by the individual specific configuration of your aircraft. VSPEEDs would be good, but everything else is aircraft specific.

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Unfortunately, until a sim actually simulates realistic ground friction and true aircraft ground run performance, the runway performance data will be useless.

 

Very true suppose its all pretty useless then. A RYR pilot that i speak to says the braking on the real 737 800 is nothing like PMDG, its alot harder to slow down after landing. Its not PMDG's fault but the sim code FSX/P3D its all the same.

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This one also cool 

 

https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/boeing-interactive-quick-reference/id539735126?mt=8

 

But same again subscription specific.

 

Agree a PFPX/Topcat iPad conversion would be nice, in a similar format, but equally as others have said some of the data is just for fun as actual effect in sim is nill due to FSX/P3D coding.

 

Although be interesting with PMDG links to Boeing if they could suggest to Boeing a possible revenue source would be a subscription service to a lite version of their apps, with the source material hosted by PMDG for the sim world. That way it wouldnt be giving away the costly update data, as obviously the PMDG sim doesn't change! Airport data could be navigraph.

 

My friend is a FO with BA, and the amount of clever apps they have on their company iPads is outstanding, with all sorts of capability they can do from rostering to ordering fuel!

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